Dec 18, 2013|
For the first time in 2013, WEEI.com's Alex Speier was responsible for compiling Baseball America's list of the Red Sox' top 10 prospects. He discusses his list with the man who'd been in charge of compiling it for most of the prior two decades, Jim Callis of MLB.com. They discuss prospects Xander Bogaerts, Henry Owens, Jackie Bradley Jr., Allen Webster, Garin Cecchini, Mookie Betts, Matt Barnes, Trey Ball, Anthony Ranaudo and others.
Transcript - will not be 100% accurate
Welcome to and our tradition of minor details and I am in this instance. I find myself in -- strange and unfamiliar position because for the first time I have the responsibility of ranking. The Red Sox top prospects. Met for baseball America in their incredible effort in their -- incredible undertaking. Of ranking the top thirty prospects and every farm system every year so. -- Jim Kallis eight longtime friend of the show recently moved on from baseball America where he would always done these lists on the for the Red Sox. We're covering the Red Sox to mlb.com. I was entrusted with handling the Red Sox list a daunting task huge shoes to fill. And so the list is out and I want to welcome Jim Kallis backs that he can tell me how I did Jim how are -- I'm doing great Alexander and I would say to all your listeners I think the list is in very good hands and I've said this when we we get the -- basic when I was. We look at baseball America and dropping my side opposite Boston University back to -- Arafat said the specifically. But today I didn't badly just to dispute the pastor may -- off the year Alex felt some sense of guilt. Prefer not ever letting you do it the Red Sox top thirty while the baseball America but. I just I enjoyed doing it so much that -- self socially held onto it. You know I felt like are many correspondents. You were that bad all quipped to that he has and I think you -- the minors. It better than any Major League the writer that I follow and so. So why I had to do -- contribute live on whether to and a nice side benefits is that that you deserve to get this was for awhile and and I'm glad you get an opportunity to do. Well you know I don't feel like atlas with the weight of the world on my shoulders so you know so I am really interested in your. In you in your feedback on this you know because one of the things Timmy did this process really exposes. Is how very subjective in nature of the rankings are and how. You know there there isn't any such thing as a quote unquote right insert. You know it would be he'll be a wonderful thing. It's you know it's ten years from now we were able to look at this list in concede that you know he did every player's career -- total. Lined up perfectly happy with the way Edwards kept in which the rankings went down but. I'm guessing that that's probably not going to be the case so. So it was side to me it was it was just a fascinating undertaking to kind of solicit so much input from. Inside the Red Sox organization outside the Red Sox organization whether that be value Raiders scouts. You know broadcasters. Or or you know or writers who have followed the team. There -- followed the minor league affiliates very closely and had. Pacific histories with them you know I'm I'm interested in you know in what it was like for you to see this baby viewers you know the Red Sox top ten. In other hands and out what were there any worth where there any instances. Had scratches that you saw and before you answer that I'll just say what my top ten was number one Zander -- I exposed that I really stepped out on -- there right -- Say a lot of guys say that it didn't support some out there is no right answer in due to these things although. They've got one. Was there it was about the obvious and several days you can have I don't think there's any question but I think the great part is when you see these other names. You can't really debate you ordered to vs three or four vs five at least they had that. They had one do before you at the -- analyst. Yeah that really simplified matters but it does so Bogart was number one and then I ranked Henry Owens number two left handed pitcher. I'm finished here in Portland number three was Jackie Bradley junior. Who became familiar from his working to touch it in the major leagues number four I had Allen Webb -- who also spent the year between. The -- it in the major leagues number five I had Blake's wife heart. Very promising catcher who spent all year in high a Salem. Number six was number six I had guarantee -- And the third baseman who spent the year between element Portland seven it was -- bet. As many know and probably you know an obsession of mine. -- put the year between Greenville and Salem. Number eight I had is Brandon Workman who still who still somehow qualifies. Up for this list even though he doesn't qualify for rookie status going forward but he didn't pitch enough innings to qualify number nine I had Matt Barnes who spends. Almost all of the year in Portland for a very and very late season. Up promotion to AAA and then finally I had -- ball the number seven overall pick in last in the past year's draft. Listed as number ten so. To me and -- it was it was an interesting process to get there. I feel pretty good that I got I. I like I liked I liked that the group that I have. In terms of in terms of who went in the top ten I can see. You know that the number eleven and twelve kind of gets interesting. I had first for what it's worth I had just outside the top ten in any Varnado in Christian Vazquez is. So that that -- that was my list Jim what do you think that lets you know where where my where my full of crap. Now I have ticket to get listed did you do did get to the Brit -- and things. So what I that was a baseball America for so long Alex that that. Well I started they would have qualifications for making these -- it was kind of weather. Beat writers editors felt like I belonged on the list or not you you should be eligible. Incidentally we we decided we needed a standard because it was not being applied the same way by different writers. If we want to rookie qualifications entirely to baseball America at the teams could even tell you with the service time. Which got lucky we -- getting this information. As to disguise not a rookie or this guy is that we find out pretty much went away that this guy is a rookie that they did -- -- So we we we ate very simply. We will look at the service time requirement for for rookie eligibility which is State's 45 days before September right if it. Yeah there are pleased. Have a birthday is such a weird desolate yeah -- every five days of service time but 45 -- very -- SOS so that's why we did it and then do we do we actually have eight Daniel Bard ruled that Brandon Workman did not kept all subject to. They did do one the one athletic guys deserve our demographic that was kind of -- you get these relief pitchers who were up for the full year begin to pitch fifty innings right. And whatever deal barge -- -- wise execute -- it's like 45 appearances and pitched 47 innings. And what a dynamic setup and it we just said like. This is ridiculous to put Daniel Bard on the red sex list because he was up for Turk can -- -- bailed us out his. Yeah he probably finished like fifth and rookie of the year voting you know again we just didn't but he was sort of eligible and would have been -- report. This that was that we there NN I think the other one before that was Bobby Jenks was -- the best closer on the World Series champions. -- and can still qualified for the for the sort of journalists I don't under. -- wisdom was the Red Sox as a player. Our best hitter second best hitter exposed for much of October and yet here. Rookie eligible in particular that we would -- We can go to Daniel -- ruled as a shot Daniels doing. That if you have -- huge Saints thirty relief appearances in the major regional on L that's a slippery or was -- to get back -- that. It is your question. I like to waste a lot of pain and you -- -- just say it exactly right what's what's foot putt and also talking about doing these lists it is. It you have to make a subjective call on each spot you know like I know Duke is thirty. You wanna make sure you get the right guys. In the tent had some years to get any nobler. Who were to based on -- two years ago media sports -- years. Well yesterday -- did they do the Portuguese what you gotta get he wanted to double want to irate. Do you want to -- the right ten guys in the ten. And then yet -- you -- about the order but now it's filled by rookie draft about you need -- to the Q what was it about cars. We go to number two and I actually that we've been working on a preliminary toppled under overall prost excellent scramble deduct common. And so I I have mine and ordered I have my my top center I think it's seven Red Sox on there well I -- And that that is that that certainly it was one of the more fascinating elements of this process is well just kind of underscoring. The Red Sox farm system is -- a pretty. Remarkable place in terms of the depth of quality talent that they have when you're talking about Trey ball. Who was the number seven overall pick in this past year's draft and you know and some years would have been a probably a fringe top 100 candidate. Like he is number ten -- system that ends you know it -- affecting -- talked about seven or eight guys in the top 100 that's crazy. You know actually -- I think I have to talk to Connecticut eight guys ahead everybody on your list. Might work on yeah. Might as work then -- have trip all by the tripled to make a list -- Johnson Mayo had a I have to put in the list but I ever not about this case it would have been I have. Not about that -- Red Sox my countless. Upper hand -- tickets and always had DA did the highest we ever -- the farm system was number two. Which I think please look after the 2007 World Series championship and Buchholz and Ellsbury still qualified in. And I was I was able -- -- -- large banners and they got -- Justin Masterson was number four that list jet Lowrie sent a pretty good. A pretty good top five Josh Redick and -- mosque were in there. -- this -- fourteen. If it was a -- into Rizzo was on that list you know -- was nineteen but it goes year he had horrible control problems. There were a number of guys to. Student went on to have you know pretty -- typically careers but now it's the idea is so diminished that kind of parallel -- no other awful World Series championships. And they look like their poise stick to be successful for years to -- an innate but they they they ran -- some Rocky ground I guess. A little bit after 2007 the dog and it's I didn't read so what the Red Sox do I think better than anybody Alex is. Thirteen and that that -- you had a chance to win at the Major League level almost every year and that's obviously you're focused. They invested heavily internationally and draft mean that they do you mean we all -- me -- organization -- -- appeared to. The most confident -- team and the Yankees whether it was under the old rules or the new rules. Don't spend as much in aren't as aggressive as the rest sex aren't securing amateur talent and I think. You look at where the stated is to keep his right now with the Red Sox World Series champions. And they have any number of young players ready to step in and and the Yankees missed the playoffs for the 200 million dollar plus payroll and they had no young players ready to fill their holes they have to go out and signed people's free agents. Age quite strike. Although I will say that it's it's also interesting for me to think back to two years ago because. At this entering the 2012 season to meet one of the most striking things about the read about those two organizations. Was that the Yankees. Had at least what you know the facade of homegrown talent they had in their spring training at that time a bunch of drafted and developed guys. But these look like they might be able to contribute in out of the bullpen sometime. In the not too distant future may have some guys who looked like they were going to be not too far away from being Major League ready starting starting pitchers or. Think you know of the Ben -- of the world. And the Red Sox at that point were in a position where. Their whole like that the chaos that they had at the back of their rotation when they have this kind of like it this kind of you know. This this competition of fall and former starters you know guys like Aaron Cook. In Vicente Padilla and Carlos Silva. Trying to assert themselves as fifth starters in there are trying to figure out whether or not too. To throw Felix brunch or Daniel Bard in his into the starting rotation that was all byproduct of their fear of what had been. This developmental gap in this real slowing in their system system so. That the transformation of -- system to me. Over the last two to three years in three years ago they looked like he might have some promise but it was all in the low levels it was all uncertainty in frankly most of those promising players didn't pan out. The guys like or at least in their organization the guys like. Like the Lars -- for instance but like the Derrick Gibson's. The Ryan Westmoreland of the world who ended up having to retire Casey Kelly ends -- going elsewhere. There are a lot of guys who just. Didn't materialize over the course of a couple of years. It's kind of extraordinary that they've really. Built most of their depth up just in the last couple of years. They write it again and it'd still mean we can -- -- we won't be the first to a lot of people -- to talk about how great debt to. It's dollars Josh Beckett Carl Crawford trade worked out for a -- got. You know -- Webster and they got to come you know until Lewis is terrific -- play at a -- -- particularly in that trade. And you look at that 2011 draft when they get it real and they get Jackie Bradley. A team they get Blake swallow hard -- mean those -- yes. Yeah epidemic it was and address to a media before that aren't any. No doubt about it to be in having just an unbelievable draft Eric it's right assists five guys on -- and it's not -- from from one draft you know what were they really hit it big. The other stuff can happen you know the year before that -- -- -- work -- in the second round again engaged in in the fourth round I didn't date. I don't think the Red Sox have drafted. As consistently well as just about anybody class when you throw in. People can step it yep they did they put a lot of point to the draft and that's true at the same time. Edit it ordinary except for last year when they had triple all the reps -- ticket in the twenties yup yeah that is good or average getting a shot at one of those that we got that after the draft. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Yeah again at that aggressiveness we would keep that to get a cyclist Gholston. There was an eight round pick up about playing deeper to back in the -- had taken their million dollar offer they they really wise -- goals and it was even that. Media outlets that reported -- that -- signed him -- who was not true and I think it would. You and I both strike all the texted. -- -- throughout society with the Red Sox. And asked him about that he's glad I don't response to me it was like you hearing their -- -- you know well a lot of circulating in but anyway if they decide cyclist Gholston. They -- not a side bets yet if they even used the money that difficult schools that would take Sam McKee that's -- -- -- start consistently aggressive. Trying to bring in talent which. It without it would it I think it goes back to whoever talks how great their 2005 draft was with. With Ellsbury and Buchholz and that's five kicks before respect rattled -- particularly. But value also if you talk to the -- Jason McLeod who was kinda expect that other people would the Red Sox. That's Q they took Pedro Alvarez in the fourteenth round it inside and that's two years day they almost had just smoking. And wanna not taken him. Inside and rightly Bibby to Jason Castro who had a very good seat capacity issue and it's -- -- -- -- -- I wanna say either talk or or very strongly considered kicking Belichick recently insisted Jacoby Ellsbury is another excitable guy like five guys who wannabe first round -- three years later. Ever -- I'm sure if you fact that I'd brought deceptive -- again today. They get a degree drafts. In -- they got but I did a lot of guys the Red Sox felt like like we identified these players. We knew how -- they were and we didn't do everything to decide them. And then have to really think your mindset change that year. -- you know and now the rules a little different you can't just do what you want but with the support ownership. They wake -- -- yet they went after guys and if if they believe they they believe they're scouting process which is. Yeah I actually get to -- from Jason Darby L and and and been pretty consistent. But I believe that process and that process spells and this guy you know is worth -- you know economic dollars they'll they'll pay him and it will build bridges and people that it was the fifth round pick it gets a little first round money you mentioned. You know Ryan Westmoreland to. -- fortunately had -- the brain tumor director's career that we -- -- looked like you need it was very early like he was on the way to and to possibly become this superstar. Yeah are there all right it was actually really interesting idea a time with Westmoreland you may be in in September and you know he's he's very much at peace with. Which word is but it it is amazing when you know they -- had to. Both Westmoreland and -- Bogart's up in the major leagues this October it would have been pretty staggering people I mean. That would have been bad that would have been a pretty. Potentially epic pairing of young talents. Right. Bailey a exactly and ended that -- At least I mean stated that there -- moral -- story is that it won't play because he's been expected to denigrate a player which is not pass bit. At least that part of stories for a guy is gone through what he's gone through. States seems like he's immediately a pretty lead pretty normal life and and the out they could have been a lot worse. Absolutely but it does of getting into the getting into oh and by the way one other thing that Europe that your mention of the 2005 draft. Are raised is how different would it would the world like if the Red Sox and actually ended up signing Pedro Alvarez that would have been. A lot of dominoes over the course of time which is a game that we can always get into. -- setting that aside so. Two and three we both had Bradley and Owens though our orders were our orders were different. I'd like the fact that you know Owens. Even though he's only made it up to double -- and even though he has reason he has kind of higher walk rate than you would certainly wanna see. I think that this is a guy who has a great chance of figuring it out in making the adjustments. Who who seemingly has not body control despite having this huge frame it as a become stronger he's really going to figure out ways of of kind of narrowing into the strike zone. And executing his pitches in precise fashion. In who has a great understanding of what he's doing he has stuff that gets swings and misses. With his fastball and his change up -- times when he as a Major League average curve ball which you know is and on those days. That the addition of that too though that two other pitches but he has as good swing and miss offerings they are. Allows him to potentially dominate so I don't I don't see him as being like kind of the necessarily like the you know that Justin Verlander retired by any stretch of the imagination. Or even so the Cole Hamels -- but I see him being one of the better. Having the potential to be one of the better left handed starters in the game. On and to meet that ceiling. Is greater than what Bradley might bring. Even though I think Bradley is going to be a really well rounded and very good player who's able to make a very positive impact on championship caliber team. For many years to come so even though I think that Bradley has less questions about probability I had Owens slightly ahead based on that. There today and if this is a classic example quiet it's post on a daunting to do these lists because. You have to get sabbatical Jeb Bradley had a -- and I was close. -- we do this opinion you have to compare. -- pitcher vs position player -- he's spent the big leagues you know vs the guy who is just got to double A there's not a whole lot of technology comparing. You know -- two guys the same position there or even utility infielders to each other yet entirely different animals and if you get feelings vs Florida. I agree with everything you say about -- -- it might be. And I think based on his track record it would be fair to call him the most unhittable left hander in the minor leagues right now. You know based on what he. Title I would have that I I would probably have to Utley put on a business card or something Biron. Radio initiative that is yeah it's 68 Alex and he got a week until Christmas and we need to practice and that's sport and Ernie and I appreciate that that's -- -- -- Guy I want back support those two guys to. I won't rehash -- thing you said I don't agree with all that in the controlled gotta improve to the steps there. I what is it a slight amount potty yet and that took these guys kind of separate -- his or eight solitude just soft tossing -- he's not. That's really overpowering he used to. Well concept accessible -- -- that got -- 86 miles an hour but he's not. It's delicate racking up all the strikeouts throwing 95 consistently with an unbelievable break it all right does not are the guys. Yeah I know I want I were I'd worry a little bit like that they just elect might like -- table one Major League hitters or -- hitters be able to layoff that stifled the -- -- Well it would Jackie Bradley. Note to mr. Rotella Jackie Bradley I think it crossed my mind out -- -- -- -- -- as much that baseball stand. It was much excitement that it could -- -- that we go to conferences most years. It's a subject about which gears around my six year old son. And his -- is they want in Omaha. These turbulent -- and how to check Bradley nowhere to run to where the ball Kennedy and they can really Japanese followed Jackie Bradley knows that the guys unbelievable defender is what his guys it can. In the balls off the back kind of put his head down a -- needs to be looked up and and catch the politics it would very easy and as always I mean I'd I'd. I knew he was an unbelievable defender but he but he -- it impressed me in my six year old son is he really -- to casual baseball stand up on August 13. It was able to pick perceptions are watching educated that he had his -- bit. They audit itself or person is feeling good and I think jacket Selig pretty high to about six of potential gold glove. Center fielder I think he's gonna be high on these guys. And I executed it and execute home run guy. I actually say -- It is not as fast as Jacoby Ellsbury but I think he said I don't think there's any question about sending me if you got people graphic the better defender and. Appeal right now yes again. Better to -- right now and Jacoby Ellsbury when a gold glove. Yeah age cup he's pretty good and I hate it not to steal many bases as Jacoby. But I think it along -- get up higher on base percentage and Jacoby and with the exception of that 132 home -- year it might even have a little bit -- topic Jacoby so. That is just crazy and it's not a lot I think to be a better player of the Jacoby Ellsbury in the. There is -- that's pretty good. -- -- -- -- -- I think -- there's no longer have to you -- what makes despondent. I mean I know BA could create -- kind of see a guy stack up the case. What got to want guys to lead at definitive. Would dictate price that would agree to you know what I have to -- five points higher ceiling as I said title well. Little less risk involved -- Jackie Bradley so wanted being. Can -- roughly the same -- if you if you -- factor but aspects. I I agree that that's precisely how I -- that's precisely how broke down I'd like affected Owens has has a pretty good ceiling I do have. I do have some small concerns with regards to some some -- with style with Bradley. They'd make you wonder a little bit about the on base percentage including the fact that I think it is he sold out his approach a little bit this year. In order to get to a little bit more power and that's something that he's acknowledged as well but. I think that he's a very very good Major League player. And I think -- you know one with great probability. As you point out so out of etiquette kind of into more to meet those were pretty clear about that conversation about two for three was pretty clear. -- there'll be other people would throw up their names into the mix. -- -- but it I think that it ultimately it was you know which have been there should be Owens or Bradley to him and the other guy gets three that I get to the kind of -- stir I had Webster for. Which is he's in some people's eyes a little bit aggressive based on the fact that he got his lunch handed to him in the major leagues. And gave up a ton of home runs. And then number five I had why heart and number six to -- number seven bet. I kind of viewed that cluster as being an interesting and almost interchangeable one. In which it was really difficult to separate. Two separate one guy is being as being clearly you know as being clearly superior. To the rest I can fit. Webster to me is the guy in that group who has a ceiling it's unlike any other ends and like any other in the Red Sox top ten except for maybe Trey ball in Bogart's. Because his stuff is unbelievable. Even though his performance hasn't matched it. I agree I had this sport guy Eric I like is that we're doing are working on -- I'm hundred at mlb.com and in my own personal list. I -- for those guys -- from number 47 and number 59. I went. 280 Webster's slide hard -- keep that I had to be a hard time kitty -- agent broke appreciate that regard here with that. The police why are you -- -- western underlined that he has these starters said. A Buster Posey tool of the things -- -- -- but it does -- and that I thought -- clearly established. -- had a big numbers set and honestly that's ranked number seven. Every hear of him in pro ball and I even an -- in the numbers it. Yeah there was to prove there was a chance for awhile there before Pete forum I I've wrestled a lot with -- vs -- in fact. At the at the six and seven spots are frankly at the 567 spots with with swipe card in his into his job Buster Posey starter tool kit. But in the end I felt like. It's a key I think is that was an interesting when it really was very close between him and that's for me in that'd been I've been wrestling with him for so long. I think that unquestionably has a higher ceiling. Very accurate and eventually TD. We just haven't seen him for that long but you know putting those two guys side by side in the Arizona Fall League. I think that from a scouting perspective I think it almost anyone who looked at those two guys over that sample. You know playing on the same team for the first time said are you -- I would rather be you know bad looks like looks like the guy with the better tools. Up across the board a guy with plate discipline the a little bit of pop which is something that you key was lacking in the AFL and frankly has has liked X rays are something that's been missing for a large chunk -- career. And you know and that's going to be a much better runner he's potentially impact a defender worst -- can be -- at third you might be better than that. At first base possibly. He might be okay and in left field that if that's what the future holds. But I -- has -- -- middle of the field I just don't know after. Such a mediocre two year and a debut and lol. Whether or not I'd note that milky that is going to be able to see those tools translate on a consistent basis whereas with which teeny. I vote a pretty good feeling good I'm looking at a guy who is a very high chance of being a 300 hitter with a like let's say 375 plus -- BP. No I like eight Akron and all that yeah I put lucky sevens on my own. -- specialist if I was breaking out of my top hundred list do the exact same reason I think yet. -- that is totals are all there I agree that all that I just because he'd only done it really for one year. It is our guys have more track record. -- put an adult I and I create rich keep prior has the highest Florida any. Yes -- but it's rare to have a guy in double a who has who has like low and who has low uncertainty. But that's that's precisely where he has he's you know his his bat to ball skills and his strike zone. -- -- you really are you know make make it pretty clear you know there's a Major League this Major League player in probably a starter. Yes I have put forth and I usually can't just go for spilling over Florida I wanna put it force a mileage I just. I believe any distinction that I think he'll be ready I don't have to -- third for Boston now that you kinda take that -- the equation you look at what his ability is. Not with the team they played him in terms of judging is worth between. We would Bogart's in middle -- he be tried doesn't want at the third but I don't think -- stick to make him at least an average defender. That's third. Yeah I'll be illegal club over there he -- average runner but he runs the bases really really well these events are here. And I just stick he's so good. He called and I think very quoted -- time but the magic there -- -- can just. I can do whatever you want to put the bat head. And he's he's big and strong and I think he'll learn to hit for power that it all your people say that about. These guys who appear hitters have hit for power but I do think the hours the last thing to come yet in Webster. And he's fascinated me I think Alice -- fascinates you. They execute you got this conundrum of this guy he's got unhittable stuff. But Todd has also uncontrollable jump on man I love you don't want I think it was that you chat at baseball America that Tom. Well I think EU politically book also been watching Al Lester it directly to make -- out of body experience clay in. LA you know people they need to be forgotten -- replay it looked so lost at times in in the big leagues in 2008. Any NFL horrible year. After he -- briefcase to. Six point 75 ERA one of the worst -- one of the worst performances ever by a Red Sox starter. Yeah yeah NL Lester -- -- figure of seven homers and 38 other intercepting it is hard to get it. And really stroke throw strikes he's still averaged about seven strikeouts per nine innings you know he is getting at two states that he was still -- that's -- With his changeup only which was interesting but I mean yeah I had an outing against the Tigers where you have like. Fifteen or twenty swings and misses with his changeup alone. It's just ridiculous they also released prior has one of the better made there are two big guys in the minors -- can combined velocity. And movement on the fastball like he can't. And I and I do think the upside there -- Yeah I guess in nitpicking I add him I I not been down from difficult for nearly as big east final mile list just -- I wonder if he'll ever be able to really harness that stuff fully good. -- the chance that he could be like a middle innings reliever like because there is just be there is so little predictability about him based on. What we saw it in in 2013. And we have yet to see him dominate which is the you know which is what holds them back because the stuff is is incomparable. Yet -- it will likely he just if you can just pretty could have averaged control. He can be protested B yes why aren't mentioned my bide by trademarked. That that's what Buster Posey looked like the same page pretty much immediately catching. He's athletic. He's got to really get bad. I think you know they're I think -- Blake -- -- what two homers this year and hi David what's funny is if you go back to what people Lester what people were saying about him. When he between soft -- GA years people wondered how physical he was how much power he was really gonna have in fact at -- -- -- for baseball America it's either a year ago. Talking about you know -- you -- -- buster last five picks in the 2008 draft I look back it would. And -- -- weakness in the summer before I usually talk to a number of top a value waiters. And it was I think I would stay I think it -- busters like the twelfth or fourteenth best player advocates as much Japanese that's something well look at all the talk that I -- tremendous. Her story out value of these lists by middle aged him. -- -- -- I don't look at it as a snapshot and I mean they they are what they were at the -- and the dignity and actually and he's athletic but he was that you remember it when he first into the big leagues. The -- was at Bristol which he -- really trust him as a receiver right on the as a deadly Soviet you do decide to believe now. Yeah exactly and noticing what your question yeah it is kind of a lanky guy how much power as he could have put I want back it would anywhere and I'm not gonna name anybody by name bit dark numbers of -- -- -- leadership and about waiters. -- like Robert Stockton menu listeners is ever heard of the more than Buster Posey and in fact the funny thing is that. Our -- is dedicated to kind of began the one guy who was -- in the tables for Buster Posey. They actually Jason -- the Red Sox he said I don't want pick in the draft I think Buster Posey if you want to bust because they're but he also kind of like. In. You know ideal to have these questions I guess I should've listened -- -- bit. You know they couldn't swallow hard you know pretty I mean the -- there -- defense has come along extremely athletic big arm skated. Yeah I think his chance to be pretty special catcher in. They're talking about being. Nick needed treatment guys every every organization I -- on all time new topics like kids. In every organization lesser prospect or anybody else does and it is basic yet it didn't I just focused on the ceiling and I think these guys can reach potential but needs. You look at the guys were talking about means get a Bogart's. What sort of future superstar right to expect already at -- Torre would blow like not immediately get that sort upset it was practically get that experience in regular season. -- just it was a World Series and looked like a veteran. He's got you know the guy that you know when we -- -- -- was I the most dependable left in the minors and Henry Owens. Jackie Bradley doubled up high on base percentage better fielder. Al -- to be a front line starter with that pass -- Clark could be well above average catcher. Two key is tremendous pure hitter probably the best traders say or the minors in. And what -- best. Maple often in this kind of into the class people keep that's. As -- -- -- lack of -- has the best set of tools any -- to second base to China right there's there's there's nobody to let me it would respect yet we wanted to see him do it again. Being able to jump from -- Hiatt but I mean. This guy who has been an eye coordination of the bat speed hits for average he's got. Double digit pop he'd take it easy plus were under and he's athletic enough to be about a defender to number position. Players in the minor leagues is here with 400 on base percentages. At least double digit homers and at least thirty steals. Those three guys in you know obviously. Putting together such listens very arbitrary but I was -- Byron Buxton and George springer and that's it you know there aren't. That's that's that's intriguing when it comes to guys and just thinking about like -- you about what their ceilings might be in terms of an but the first schools that. Am not seeing it that they had done nothing yet he's going to be better than -- spring board to respect applicable. Look at the straight up cooperation as opposed to guys and I have pretty much equal confidence to put those guys are getting hit it means a guy like George -- sloppy swings and misses at times. I enjoy it if you -- make you would give more arbitrary. And and do you guys to walk 25 times when they struck out. Of -- finally got -- It was actually funny early in the year when bat hadn't started hitting patent you know in part because he had a terrible batting average on balls in play and soft am I. He hits the fascination for me with -- Q but certain April when he was this guy who's hitting 150 but it like at a certain point he had a sub 200. Batting average but OBP it was above 400. And -- -- -- -- it and it's hard to -- this really interesting question of how many guys can ever do that you know what does that say about a guy's about a -- preaches couldn't. What interesting thing was did -- was that Torre -- love the Red Sox bench coach. Actually was one of the one of the only guys in Major League history whoever had a season in which his in which is yet a sub 200 batting average. And more than doubled that with his OBP it was like yeah I was because they couldn't hit a fastball to death with that I'm in my career. Ed students going -- -- yep they're there are some really interesting strange things that happen with bats when you're talking about how much more he walked. Been struck out that that part at least is kind of consistent with what he did with lol. He's yep. I've spent a year trying to make sense of -- -- and you know ends. There -- some people who I talked to some evaluated so I talked to. Who had him as high as number three in the Red Sox. So that should tell you something about you know about how how highly regarded his still that is. Others had him as low as kind of being in the double digit prospect ranks because he just didn't have that kind of track record but interesting. Interestingly -- of those guys. Says there today it and I think the next quandary. After that is yet dad have to deal Brandon Workman in -- is we've for reasons we discussed but I mean you have to stack up Matt Barnes. Persisted and he were not it's got the number seven overall. Pick in the draft who barely played it yet he pitched seven innings and pro ball out in yet -- all of those guys and against one another. Yeah and this is something that you and I talked about him in past years in this very podcast but it would come to taking a guy like. Like Kasey -- Ryan Westmoreland who basically had virtually no pro experience in where do you rank them. In Vick in the course of this now in the past you basically had them side if memory serves at Westmoreland one and Kelly to. At a time when Kelly's only professional exposure was like a couple of games playing shortstop in Westmoreland had yet play a professional game. I don't think that's -- I don't think it would -- Ryan Westmoreland number let me number one. The year after he the last little -- -- -- I had to put but I can't the first year that those guys were drafted. -- -- Casey Kelly sixty and Ryan Westmoreland -- and your patient until -- I'm. I'm going to back it might list in my I had -- hitters and what Michael burden to nick Beckett on three did a barge for. Josh Redick by the energy each it is out what was seven's -- they're there there are some guys you don't look at great retrospect it's. But also some guys have gone on to have some -- troops. Yes indeed but yes but it's the -- relative inexperience thing like because in past -- I know that certainly -- -- -- to you know temporarily. Detonated in the top ten in. You know and Trey ball looks like 88 considerably better has certainly has a considerably higher ceiling than does Devin Marrero. -- even though I like you know Marrero I think his future every day shortstop. That's still only gets me into the teens in the Red Sox system in terms of the overall ranking. Witches again staggering. But ball looks like today. Ball represented considerably board losing prospect just about everyone. But there's this great uncertainty because the high school left hander who's a billion years from the major leagues. And but if you're looking for a guy you know for the guy who could followed John Leicester is being the next number one in the Red Sox as some. Then. You know you could say there's okay may be on Webster to put -- -- together and he could do that that's a possibility. And you know you can it. But beyond that. You're kind of looking to I don't think that Owens is is kind of on has has the ceiling -- Lester does. And I I think that -- ball might be the next guy. It he's still only number ten in the Red Sox system even though. You know we we -- to see a lot more and injuries obviously can play. A significant factor I think that just that the variables of of figuring out health is a professional. And you know your stuff can change so much -- but tree. You know was drafted as a guy with a mid nineties fastball by the Red Sox. In 2012 and this year and -- he pitched with kind of like in 1992 Mosley mostly sitting around 1991. So you know what if that happens -- ball then. It becomes really difficult to project him as as being in the top few prospects for the Red Sox but you know but -- that debt ceiling is pretty impressive at number ten. It is that the one that I think it's you know and in my case that he used to be the farm directors now assistant GM would always. Good nature really give me a hard time that would -- the lakes while parts of the world and it did catch key it was coming up the surge I think you need in. Play his first year and I think applicant number seven on the list. Chris -- run our seven on the list them. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Yet I thought he played the last game of the season for the geez I don't TO. And I remember I had at their effort their pitcher to chuckling at me when I keep Casey Kelly yet. Best curve ball he -- and he came in and play shortstop but he is efficient let's. And I used to look you want and that's what makes it's fun and it's. I think I think it makes so little easier. And I actually had Varnado had a ball is. What got better control color guy has a pretty good pedigree and he's had success in double play. -- -- Then that would tiebreak I thought I would Don Barnes Renato ball bit. Well which is creative people have been to have some I would still working would have qualified -- notoriety. Failure and I type are treating you actually see it happen. A decent amount you don't necessarily know who it's gonna happen -- there's a big difference between pitching once a week for. A couple months junior high school's season. Belichick you know we used to pitching every fifth day over much wonders he's saying it happens sometimes guys where. You know that they were drawn out if either high school loss and they're more like ninety in pro ball and page Domenik that's gonna happen to people -- the ball in shape policy guy to. It or not he cannot force for much of the spring. He he's he's 66 he's very athletic. Dedicated to occur I think supposed to have a chance to be solid at better pitches. Even athletic enough plastic if you do that and it was a two way guy. And there was some question committee yours is which way it was -- better and I think all the -- but it felt it was better as a pitcher when all's said and done that. If you big hitters Alex can mean -- -- a bit -- surprise second round pick. An outfielder means he's very athletic I think that'll bode well too. Because I think the guys were more athletic. Especially when their big guy like trade is six sixes. I think they're more likely to be able to figure out control commander and keep their delivery and and make adjustments as opposed if they're just a guy -- This guy likely get his arm doesn't really know what he's doing it in doesn't have much body control. Yeah and that I think part of the reason why there's still some bullishness regarding beyond Webster's of the world like when. -- evaluate her right talked to you know suggested that did just physically like you know not it just in terms of athletic -- -- even to a certain degree stuff but certainly not command there were some Zack Greinke comparable you know there there's a little echoes of Zack Greinke type guy. In their but yet balled it exactly right the F lettuce is some combined with the size and you know in this stuff suggests huge ceiling. Now there -- not a Barnes conversation to me is a really interesting one that was it. We're not out of this here was my Lars Anderson like you what year. After you had you'd kind of been early on the Lars bandwagon and to my mind rightly so by the way. And then when he fell off you were also kind of you know kind of out ahead. Of recognizing just how steep the drop off was. And you had a number 111 year which kind of I had no legs at notre Clinton hate mail or you're just if there were any effigies burned or anything. And -- -- to do isn't it that violent but I -- get a lot of questions especially because that had been so far. I can duplicate that break out your double about it like in the year before that it -- another -- the Red Sox were aggressive -- wait -- -- -- a lot of money Q. The fact that they keep -- -- out the 2006 Kraft which is. When I decided they wanted to just sit back in. And not go out and -- guys they really believed in the belt means. And over not only is so difficult -- that we were part of this before I. Ask yourself for your Ellis is considered by some people the best prospects next year's draft. They -- about as elbow issues for the second time in three years has a rough spraying resuscitate his daily traffic is to keep an -- I don't want it ever recruit out did you have an earned run like twenty innings and keep that summer exactly -- -- -- -- -- two and a half million dollars spent a candidate probably next year. And he's really gave I think it was what will way they can hit the wall a little bit higher AA and then. It'll -- -- -- he's he's he's still poised to kind of make a big step forward in 2012. And then I was a groin injury year's open at. Yes started running and ended with a shoulder and it was all a mess. And it just the year was in the past so that's a go to it has got hurt again and then he comes -- 2013 -- -- ultimately helped being in an editor -- I -- But I like bark like it's been different for me and it's funny because. Like my initial rankings I had Renato ahead of them had been a while it has like no I actually like bundle them more. I just want and they help track record is a big thing or to all -- to have a a pretty ERA. In double -- this year -- about a 135 got a hundred innings and he's still lives in the top of that he just eats we eat vehicle. The daughter Camille this stuff I don't know where does get the better curve ball. -- got a better changeup in. And I go back and forth and just outside the curious to see what you think. What people talk about others cadillacs breaking ball it. And obviously -- the most notable guided it got talked about recently what that was was Michael walker but the Cardinals do. Who -- the points from adorned eighteenth in the draft -- price it got tenth or twelfth -- established college pitcher. -- 181810 that 2000. Told drafted almost -- a World Series this year on iron that was an -- and no break public thinks he is. Yeah especially you know it's on the tip on how politically pitchers really used three pitches. You know fairly easily and he -- I don't think there's too many right. If that third and -- used like what ten to 15% of the time they're doing its job. Right and then 20 OK I might not have a good curve ball but if I had a good changeup. Walked and that kind of negates a platoon advantage of that anybody changeup can get lefties it -- out regardless of which if it's good. Golf which were used real whereas if I'm not. That curve ball it's going to be ward is a tough on same side hitters out. It's pretty -- doesn't bother me as much had a guy might have I just an okay cricket ball. As well he's got a good changeup I mean I got I don't think that's necessarily -- that might be a little bit better than having a good breaking ball and it if you change. Yeah I think that you know I I totally I totally agree with what with where -- going there you know the fastball changeup. Has become really the staple of you know of successful pitching rather than you know more so in in many instances. In recent years then the fastball breaking ball combination. -- you know that that. Changes you know that that changed his a lot of a lot of what baseball has been for a long period of time but you know I think starting with you know starting with Pedro you know we started you know -- started to be that you -- it's kind of like. It's not -- it's not like Mariano where you're able to dominate with one pitch but all of a sudden. You know if you're able to manipulate manipulating your fastball which -- is able to do expertly and he's -- to get swings and misses in the strike zone. Whereas -- -- that you hear on Renato even though he had a terrific year is that he mostly was getting his swings and -- above the zone. In so whether or not he's able to continue to get those moves up levels is an open question but Barnes is able to manipulate his fastball has good command of it gets swings and misses on it. And then yeah exactly right if you're able to have that that pitch to help negate a left hander may -- it's getting a cover bright in on his hands and is burying it as a as a right handed. As right handed pitcher may be it's getting that changeup and maybe Barnes is able to evolve to they're probably going to introduce him. Two to a cutter this year. I think that at least there's a decent chance of that then maybe he has a couple different options that make pitches moving in different ways that just does just enough. To get hitters off the fastball because this you're atop the fastball remained a very good pitch for him it was just -- it was just that he didn't have the breaking balls back it up. He was trying to emphasize the breaking ball at times more than the changeup. And -- backed out of been in trouble that resultant foul balls deep counts etc. xetra. I think it. He just has to get a decent passable breaking ball the Michael and the Michael walker breaking ball in so that's why I heard you know locker brought up a number of times. In relation to par and even before you just brought him up. People saying look if he gets just just a show me breaking ball. And you know maybe that's the curve ball -- in the in his later season outings. I talk discount it's his scouts outside the organization said -- I thought they saw a decent curve ball from him in one outing and he was really good in that outing. I wasn't consistent but if you can get there just a show me breaking ball that all of a sudden you're talking about a guy his fastball. Whose fastball alone bacon a really good pitcher. Gala I think is too. I mean and two more points on that as one ought to have a guy as good breaking ball. In the minors does at the same success with it in the majors that not advocating and not leave people like have to -- a box. Some of these guys get a lot of breaking a lot of times you know in the big -- -- -- -- -- swings and misses when people chase should breaking -- people cheap that last security command that change happen. It is in his. Yeah she's brought up -- up which is why I mean statistics. Do better especially it would double it above I think in the mightily to that matter a lot -- -- to -- a -- exposed to have a -- harmonies. Not miss many -- and you begin to wonder what it would -- -- Yeah it is really villages that aren't here except he had point 33 ERA in Orlando to do more hits and innings in. Yeah he walked almost four guys cannot but -- he struck out eleven guys per nine innings in double let. And that is the most important stat he's got -- missed out on -- like you said in the it'd occur almost come on maybe just the cutter in eighty throws. That cut slider type it's up -- pitched just to keep guys the fastball changeup he throws the tenor twelve times a game. Yeah that's not to do it every this year probably entitled to any question. They were affected by -- -- they do in the Red Sox now mean I think we need the most work at the breaking ball straight and has the size. They throw a lot of breaking balls that it would get statistically excuse accurate throws many breaking ball is try to be more successful you have to. You really have to know this scenario. You what guys are working on what they're doing to some type statistics don't come close to -- sort. Well I think that dive back covers a lot of the ground of the of the top ten list which I was just sort -- a gym you know what you want to know what do you know about -- Red -- top thirty list. Well I guess the guys who -- fascinated you the most to me that I thought was like to -- the big kind of sweepers are right where it. You are -- people in the first jitterbug and -- Bogart in any played in the US easily. That's not that it will rank guys stick usually like to improve themselves a little bit you know to break a sixteen year old guy especially data applications system. List that I I ranks ABI ever got to tell about -- and the more evaluate I talk to whatever year that first year ranked what I kept moving him up. -- up there and not ever ever. -- -- -- Shipley never really talked to be much an international director but UW so yeah -- would responding no question that would went that them. Start trying to get some background standard and I forget. I alerted by its sound like I think -- that effective. You know -- my DD and a little aggressive by having him like take that to get that play haven't haven't you know that list. Hey Craig shot that -- that -- -- low on you know you know investigate two out. As I don't remember exactly -- standards. But it's ladylike and -- and feel comfortable but man this guy who I know very little doubt have never seen. Sounds very very interesting yes. Well last year from the -- I was. Where it was and while Marco. Who who was I think I wanna say. That I that I helped attract these things -- probably. That is the first guys since Bogart's. That I had really rates without him playing in the US at least Dominican kid territory from from Latin America up. It's just sort of cabinet while Marco unrealistic still obviously very young but he just sounded. -- would tools and had a two or three years down the line can be very very interest in play. Yeah I -- -- I actually I was wrestling with whether or not he should end up slipping into the top ten. You know there are three guys in the Red Sox system who I found to be really interesting based on where their current where they. Where their current ranks are vs what their future potential is what is Trey -- we did end up cracking the top ten. And then I would I would lump in has kind of really as a route I would lump it as a residence as a similar phenomenon -- Because I think that you know he and -- of the 25 tool guys in the Red Sox system right now. -- go I had in the eleven to fifteen range. And he's someone who you know who I do think he has you know has any has fifteen home run power may be more. Legitimate Satterfield tools he he's going to be probably it's when he plus stolen base guy in the major leagues. Has the you know he he has an interesting -- he was beaten by breaking balls in the New York Penn league this year. But he was the youngest position player in the New York Penn league this year so he should be beaten by breaking balls. And despite that he was still a guy who posted an average of close 300 with an on base percentage in the mid 300 so he was a guy who. Frankly. In a vacuum I it's surprising to me that he wasn't in the top ten because he's the type of talent who should be in the top ten. He's just so far away down and low that it made it difficult you know he kind of put him in that same in that same -- blacks is a guy like I like -- Trey ball. I don't think to be as straight balls ceiling I do think that he has greater probability because he's position player. And I think he has a a pretty damn bright future. And you know that. A few years between Jackie after Jackie Bradley he is the next significant Red Sox outfield prospect. And then one other guy who I actually thought you were alluding to. With regards to when you started this conversation. Is rough failed -- the guys -- they signed out of the Dominican this past year and made him you know gave him a significant seven figure signing bonus. Viewed as perhaps the best pure hitter in the draft. Yeah actually I. Much to my surprise you know he he ends up. In the top thirty and hearing he ends up ranked well the top thirty. Even though he has never played a single professional game with a minor league affiliate he played and instructs and that's it but. Everything that you heard about this guy just that he has the potential to be. A day someone a pretty special that someone. You know who could be the legitimate middle of the order guy. He's six team or at least he was when he signed and he was when he was playing and instructs so that makes it almost ridiculous. To rank him ahead of guys with you know with considerable track records in. You know you wanna you wanna temper that -- and the that it you know how do you separate guy like him who showed incredible tools and an incredible hit -- It really impressive power forward you know it you know in a vacuum let alone for a sixteen year old. How he's separated him from a guy like Trey ball so those from anywhere that were the most -- three guys in there who are kind of sight unseen well I've seen -- a little bit actually -- You know a decent amount -- -- who were. More let's -- and seen it yet you know such formidable impressions that they end up ranked in real interest in fashion. Sailboat skated indicates that the thirty wanted do you like pretend. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- And so I wouldn't really run into him. Or any discussion and -- they need a guy -- I think definitely would have made. My top thirty in the last. It didn't who surprised you the most did not making it up thirty Alex burrows who has the highest guy and last year's top thirty that I did that it didn't make -- -- Well Jose Venezia fell off the face of the year so he went way you know he you had a -- that more -- -- there and he had just a dreadful years so he felt. All the way out in quite frankly -- this conversation the conversations that I had included. Upwards of fifty prospects in the Red Sox is some in he was not mentioned among those top fifty prospects in the Red Sox right now. So that is a that is a fall from grace. And I think fit. You know that the guy who who didn't make the top the top thirty and you know -- -- outs of going hadn't I'll go ahead and disclosed this once our baseball America. -- thirty wanna Sean Coyle and I think it -- is a really interesting guy who could be Dan Uggla with better defensive spot. If some things go right but. After an extraordinary start to the 2013. Season in which it looked like you he might. Push himself. Up to Portland really quickly he saw a recurrence of the injury issues and -- a tough approach. In and kind of a struggle with the mental side of the game I think to a certain degree as well. Bit -- let him out of the top thirty. It's plate discipline which was very impressive for a teenager at low class a couple years ago. Oh look he's felt more pressure to hit for power meaning -- it's a lot of power this year. But it plate discipline and his ability to contact is definitely gone in the other direction. Yeah so the way in which it's being present you know he's going to go to double -- this year they have to get him out of high -- they wanted him to perform his way out of high A this year. But injuries prevent that when he started well. And that his performance -- that. When he kind of got healthy later. But this is going to be the sink or swim year for him in don't play for the Red Sox are going to be really interesting because I think they're going to opened the year with -- Guerrero. In rookie bet. Ends -- that Marrero would you bet and Shawn quell a hole up in Portland and that'll be a kind of interesting middle of the middle middle of the field situation. Right hey it'd be honest I mean. -- -- and take a backseat to those -- how about it one thing. And always give it all -- -- die hard time about this it's like we did assistant to deep in the draft Connecticut players they always. Agonizing that I can never sit as many of the newcomers in as I want. They did you find that they do you want to make room for more draft guides or did you feel like he was that I don't have a draft guys you put on I would think at least three in. Actually my. This year in fact in fact only two I only had done I I only had ball in time tasting Kuwait's. In the top thirty -- which I think is an interesting. Is an interesting guy who looks like he has a pretty decent chance. To be a major leagues are just based on. Having a the first pitch makes even if he doesn't have anything exceptional but young athletic. You know he has he has a pitch -- -- and a pretty significant commitment to being a really good baseball player and so on this one of his pitches may take a step toward making a pretty good. A pretty good starting pitching prospect but beyond that their third round pick was John Denny. Who was highly regarded as a bat coming out of high school. But I doubt but for me he just wasn't advanced and you know. The bat wasn't that there -- enough questions about the defense and future position there enough questions the bat. Was the that is is. Good as a at a at a high school type of level but it not it there's not enough certainty there that he ended up being. That he ended up being in the top thirty or even. Really no and no one really made a real push for him to be in the top thirty other. As I can tell you don't like to -- is. You know what a guy we thought logistical in the first round Indian and drops that Red Sox -- and in the third round as commodity there that you know that I stick up for them. Package that we don't like the boost -- -- play really agility system like the Red Sox do. And there were some questions about defense source question does that and he had kind of -- pro debut in the -- closely kinda. -- if you cut on the just what to do it and accept that it pushes him off the edge. But -- -- interest -- got TH. I guess in past years at all to have like five or six guys that want to put on there and then some international guys found out about. But yet because I didn't do it I think the Red -- stated it that always looks good on the list like I said before. They're very aggressive about -- ballots that are constantly bringing in guys. Even if you get mixed reports. On you know whether he'll reach that -- that they're always bringing in high ceiling guys how to pitch on any -- -- feeling. Then he's probably an average defender with above average power behind the plate which is pretty good player although. You know begin with a definite system you've got at least two guys you -- ahead of them and -- why aren't Christian -- so -- -- -- ouster or. -- -- And indeed that is good synopsis of how this thing works with the prospect list is any other who knows how this thing works. Jim amazing being able to to bring you back to. -- -- -- -- What had been your baby for so many years thank you for for entrusting me with -- with babysitting duty. Well you you whereas you are we were well deserving of it like I said now it's that. I had I don't have to feel any -- -- -- got us out security at least -- here. Probably when I was protected either at 630 I was looking at all that the article -- written for us and had to -- the -- -- -- he -- so much extensive work up in the minors. And I find -- these great tidbits and I would its thrilling and very great background guy anyway -- it -- what -- -- -- really would do a really good job and respect about thirty. And -- I bet that would help myself get out you can't I think I can put so much for the prospect handbook I am not going to give up the recessed after the anyway -- -- Longer have to so guilty about that and that hey I've not -- eleven -- thirty to just read the type tent and -- the -- They knew it was very enjoy playing cannot do it better and it's a valuable -- And satirist socialist in front of me to -- -- and are generally act combat -- now you can he can have Michael he's in good nature really give you a hard time about. In the draft prospects too high. With a little track record elite private I think it's probably idiot he reacted. I -- -- -- showed -- restraint but I think for development and. We'll see about that up I get smacked around next time I see many members the Red Sox front office but. That'll be performed buyers could turn out Jim they -- get overlooked sort of falling your work with mlb.com. It's been great having fun think again. Yeah.