Jul 4, 2014|
Rob Bradford talks about whether the Red Sox will be likely buyers or sellers at the trade deadline. He talks with Toronto Blue Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos about a front office perspective leading up to the trade deadline. Rob also talks with Alex Speier about some Red Sox prospects, and Evan Drellich of the Houston Chronicle about the Astros getting hacked and having trade negotiations leaked online.
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RO ID. MLB trade deadline show on rob Bradford WB -- dot com Alex beer my partner who will be my partner going forward in these fine shows which will be. Also every Thursday off days hating on 2 July 31 which -- beaten on waiver trade deadline Alex is on assignment tonight. There's no better time to be on assignment in July 3. At 10 o'clock at night but that's what he has -- he scouting he minor league game. Speaking of study in my league game of the quick aside this came from wash -- park spinners they always to a fine fine job there and who knows someone from that field which I was watching tonight -- did -- On July 31 before. They said this is the MLB rate deadlines shows sponsored by a New England insurance. Was if you're gonna sit around and you can sit around waiting for the fireworks I understand that. But he also listened to the show for good reason you sit around in front of the computer hub and the dark. I encourage you go hub and because you're -- final -- lot of information there we're going to be talking more and more as the month progresses as I said this is the trade deadline shall be doing this. Once a week. Usually ten to twelve. As I think you're close to we might switch it up and -- closer view these 6 o'clock hours 617. 779. 793761777979837. If you wanna join the conversation. Via the phone or at the eighteenth he -- line 37937. Read your tax -- wanted -- listen I understand Red Sox are okay we understand. We we we are -- on the same board they are not a good team right now. They haven't won more than two games and grow. Other than twice this year -- seven game win streak the other three game -- the seven game win streak came against Tampa Bay and Atlanta all teams are playing terribly at the time the three game win streak came against. Minnesota and they scored a total five runs so you get to July 3 and you have only one more than two games twice. That's a problem that's not trending in the right direction so our goal here in the trade deadline show sparked by -- knowing interns. Isn't so much to say well you gotta do this or this happened or you know or break down and the double play from three weeks ago. Runners in scoring position it is aware of the Red Sox go from here where do the Red Sox go as we head toward -- not waiver trade deadline. Last year remember they got Mac board and then two days before they get Jake Peavy we understood that we remember that. By the conversation gets really interesting starting right about now what -- doing the show tonight we're gonna talk to a few different people. Hope you enjoyed it. First one will be coming up Alex in topless Toronto Blue Jays general manager the first place Toronto Blue Jays. Who's in a really interesting situation remember the blue jays a team that I take every single year to -- in first place. Since 2003 finally -- jump ship on them and all -- now ball. There they are first place. Well there they are in pretty good spot. Now we understand American League east everyone's lumped together but they're pretty good spot. There is no question the blue jays are going to be buyers there and are going to be -- no doubt about it. So Alex and couples will be joining missile it later in the show -- he's going to be talking about. How he sees he market unfolding. What's available out there and and kind of comparing the way holidays situation from a couple years ago the John blasters. Scenario which we gonna talk about as well. The pilot and copilot treatment join this -- relic from the Houston Chronicle. Also get a call in and reason why I'm so -- -- and talked Avant a -- office. It's -- article. Fascinating. The leak about all the tock the Houston Astros front office had over the last and months regarding rates. It was all leaked out there. And while it's okay it's an interesting conversation this day -- how'd that happen when the -- Buick or interest in the timeline I was -- wanna talk out of control about. I'm like this gives this an example of how these things unfold so between the conversations with Alex and populists try to blue jays GM. An average relative Alex spears -- going to school leaders to break away from his assignment. We get an idea of kind of we don't act in this on waiver trade unlike -- as they said these things are picking up now. I mentioned really quickly in this whole monologue which suggested talking about it populace ground can all rest. -- -- -- So when we talked about the Red Sox. First thing we have to talk about with a non waiver trade deadline which again July 31 I think it's about 700 hours ago. First thing we have to identified buyer for sellers now we've put the pole and RBI dot com earlier today. It are the reds expires this every one thinks they are going to be so everyone right now aren't victors sellers. -- all the understandable. How I would get it right now and I said this would be in the cup series which is. You have twelve games back then twelve days before the all star game -- played the cubs play at your heels played the white -- that team the Astros bad team. When you get to the all star break that's when you start deciding buyers seller right now if you had asked. Certainly trending toward the seller. And if you go to do that you have to integrate Jon Lester the conversation yet have to integrate code if you are in the conversation you guys you'd never. Not would be talked about in trades before. In both fascinating conversations. Because. It's not a no brainer that out of the industry these guys and I gonna bring -- Jon Lester first. Jon Lester. -- save Iraq. Well Jon Lester you keep them around and he walks you get a draft. The point is is that if you're going to trade Jon Lester you're not only have to get the right valuable player back but I have to get the value over draft pick back go back to last year. Someone tell me. -- anybody who was traded. Who would have been a qualifying opera guys in other words anybody would traded who would have been attached to a draft pick nobody. Nobody Bud -- no. Jake Peavy I don't think the White Sox are going down that road. That's the point that's why it's so difficult betrayed a guy like that that you have to get that value back. Trade Jon Lester. You have to get back the player. Or players. Plus whatever values you'll be losing in that drastic. There are some interesting conversations today already on the race. The first one on the go back a couple weeks I do a podcast called the -- -- show. Things I find interesting maybe a bunch of people don't find interesting but I hope they do. And I talked to Jon Lester and one thing I talked to Jon Lester -- Was what if it came to the point. Where they were exploring its rate how would he feel about that. What what would Jon Lester feel if they actually were going down the road of exploring a trade. -- -- -- -- You know I think those. What are which assists and it and I think we all feel including John. You know give them where we are now it's here. That. I mean I think every year when you get to the trade deadline it's always a possibility. How great a possibility is I don't know is united in that room and -- making phone calls. I think obviously this year with with kind of a unique situation we we could be in at that time. You know I don't know -- a couple of said. If if they feel like trading mean it is who's gonna make the boss or it's not better for the future and no hard feelings I mean it's it's been like a citi's business. As Jon Lester on the -- social podcast couple weeks ago when little intro -- -- now now the gilt -- the bench -- little taste. Old days from this morning on Dennis and Callahan in -- man. A poorly all wanna play will be in -- in talking about Jon Lester after you order out Lester feels about. You know I think John those. Larry enters this. It and I think we all feel putting on. Yeah yeah where we are right now the team. Yeah what what the stakes. For all of us over the next. You know 23 weeks. That we are folks are -- and he knows. In the big picture will no longer here. You know -- -- aka. Sarah Carla hall literate. And you know great powers will start this season. Okay. All understandable. Everywhere and say the right things. I'm gonna come back to you trades are Lester what you have to get back is the players and the value over traffic. Now this is assuming they feeling government has -- -- -- think that -- right now. Let's go back in time 2000 -- yet Tampa Bay about six or seven games out at the all star break they come back we understand it it will take. And I usual circumstance to come back in that situation but they did so we've seen other teams do. The Red Sox wanna get the all star break they wanna see where their -- especially after the schedule then decisions will be made I feel. Now in regards to Lester this say they're out of it it's a big start going the other way even more. Now the conversation becomes more and more and more. It makes more sense to trade Jon Lester. Well. Thing is. Is that you'd just won't give them away number one obviously. Obviously. And then now we also know this week. That the Red Sox won reading gave a little bit with Jon Lester. With contract now. Is that because. They want -- kind of feel my hope they wanna see where he sat. Then. If really if there's no common ground to be at. Did you get toward the end of July -- bull. Hey we're not to work got to deal we're gonna trade you. That's that whole hypothetical situation but when we're talking about the not waiver trade deadline which is exactly what we're talking about. -- on July 3. At ten something and night. Heading storming on into July 31. We have to pay all these scenarios. We have to pay them all. All good conversations 61777979837. As I said. Alex in -- try to blue jays general manager will join us shortly. -- relic of Houston Chronicle the -- by the Desmond article. About the timeline that was revealed no leaked documents. And Alex spear also after the top of the hour will. Chime in and Alex will be great cocky about what the Red Sox have in the minor league system. To deal from who got which guys he might wanna deal which guys he might not wanted. 6177797937. ATT tax line. 37937. The other thing I -- talk about -- points tonight I we have a lot of gas we have a lot of conversations. We talked about Lester potentially getting -- well if the Red Sox are going to deal anybody. What do they need. OK they're -- stinks we understand that all what I want again and and what I'm fascinated. I'm -- in populace about this. He came out when they made that trade with the blue jays and said we are making history could we have Encarnacion. And we have Petit stepped. We do not wanna waste those power bats in the middle bar ordered much like Manny and Ortiz with a Red Sox back in the mid 2000. Do not what those are the hardest things again so. When you're looking for the Red Sox what they need to debt in its -- Buyer -- -- I don't care. What you need to get betrayed you start have to start building some power bats. Just gonna have to start solving that problem. Because much alike in -- didn't wanna waste those two guys you do not wanna waste David Ortiz last couple years here another conversation -- be dad. We get all too. MLB trade deadline sponsored by -- doing an insurance. Strategy first insurance last at club. -- dot com -- tell you go there after this break. Toronto Blue Jays GM. Welcome back to the trade deadline -- sponsored by -- knowingly insurance I'm rob Bradford of WPI dot com and now on the phone we're privileged to have Alex and topless general manager of the blue jays. And blue -- the first place blue jays and Alex thanks for joining us first -- -- program let me. So this is a unique time a year and I know you've gone through it a few years now and and you were heading into July. How unique is it for you being in the position that your team is. Compared to may be some the other seasons that you've experienced. The last I think. I -- are even a look at last Ares still. I don't know that any once you know your. You know 38 hours and I'm not ever since it did you know that wish they can't get otter chip on the ground -- you know maybe it's just the mindset but I was an -- you know. They've been a little bit more realistic. Okay we have a -- publish. Settlement. My view that it is a joke here. They like -- chances are good. But. You know you don't have to slap on the market and it still locked in. It just activities at midway park. So. I think it's a bullet very reluctant to the well and it targeted illegal in me the last minute over Ottawa. Was that dynamic QB change more Alaska -- years Alex where. You have even more parity you have obviously the wild card in teams are bunched together in this very few teams it seems buddhists say. Absolutely we're going to be sellers it is as that changed over the last few years. Yeah I think they're very accurate I might burst here. You know we were we were not expected indeed. We have that witty but I didn't. Without -- doubt he didn't know -- well it was having -- false start obviously it's seventeen month that the break. 34 years old at one where your political option. It didn't notice aren't that many -- traded validate and Motorola brought. I've got down there have been just. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- It -- -- start to contend. Knowingly make their trade you know outflows at 238 times in no runs. And good Dallas was critical about the evidence wonderfully in the field and as having a great opera season but we ought to go for the long term peace. Knowing full well that that we we -- have anything here right now against the wild card. With parity. There's definitely more buyers or sellers. And it's completely understandable because it whether it's at bay rays or even. The royals made a late -- last year things can change -- and you know converse of that. RC is it collapses well so. You'll have a chance. It you know without naming names -- without identifying teams if you had to sit right here right now on the teams that you're talking to. Could you say it would be fair to say there is there is less than a handful teams that have defined themselves to sellers right now. Alia. Even say how are the I don't view one's seen. That's saying okay we're ready to make -- right right now. They might just literally and much of an edge carpet in every team -- like you -- got a pretty good also talked to enough. -- and so -- and let my utility as we sit here today right could be in July before the break. It was only once it is prepared to make trade at least eight. I think the other or more in. -- vote definitely had to deal also agreed to work. You know so who who -- that said are you what are you just digging in -- this no this is going to be a lot along month because of that dynamic in that. Why you're going to be buyers you you you're thinking. This is gonna come down is just being in the month in this gonna come down to the very end of the month. At this are I can essentially. All star break I think he's done is that it is a pretty big. A lot of clubs go to the break but I think once it is also going to look back into -- other clubs. And -- it is getting dark about it coming after the break I think it was president after the decisions but it is quite Edwards had discussions and teams are preparing rather -- yourself. I just thought others prepared to make the decision but they're getting ready whether it got it billion development clubs. But it's starting some of the big -- -- -- -- right now on my mind is doing their work and doing their due diligence. Be prepared to go both ways. And just to have the flexibility regardless of the Italian club place -- I -- not as critical really I don't know why but I think it it is always wrapped up -- we -- out of the break. Problem of those really starts to it is certainly a lot of the guitar part in the discussion on what he is our worst series that went. Allison's obelisk general manager of the Toronto Blue Jays who have this and Alex -- remember last year -- we talked about you make the trade. You said one of them one of the reasons you want to go down that road is 'cause you have this dynamic you had being Ganassi on -- -- but he's in the -- the order you like unit to. The Manny Ortiz system the rarity of having that sort of presence in the -- the order in our city here and it's really working out. It is this the hardest thing to do when baseball right now to find those. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- But did you see that is that if you had to get data on the trade deadline this year it might be the most challenge and challenging thank. -- trying to -- you know we haven't really been in the in the market for a big power back and we would take one of what was available only upgrade but it is that we haven't really acquire -- market. I don't know -- so I have a great deal. Or airmen are beyond that it sometimes -- and the guys that are potential free millions. And certainly in Arctic all right offers those guys only become available but there are the top and I don't know that there's. Those big power back -- -- available. And yet -- well since -- really. 2000 and the emergence of these. Comment on -- -- today now locked and it cost me any of those 44 months. I think part of years ago was you know -- -- whenever he's in a -- -- Jeremi Johnson any emerged. And we certainly and work with those entities in immigrants you know. You know I think it some of that and built from our standpoint that we do believe it's it's rare to have both those guys under contract. In the prime of their careers and we looked at. All these years that we had -- and Roy Halladay Carlos Delgado Shonn -- Vernon Wells these -- are winners. -- VP he's still Ursula sluggers six but no members. Anything other than that you don't want to look at obviously what the -- are -- done as defined by championships. By getting in the playoffs but do those things that anybody and offers individual. Years. Where. Players -- years but it didn't -- immediately and so I think that -- lost on us at all and that's partly why we Italy it is much he loved to be unpleasant he left. Them the being. By the time. And here because they almost all of the struggle. -- all the options and we remind people like -- that he. That option archery is -- option. But again illegal to be an option in the growing pains and filing status is of all the pitches that the raises -- -- -- -- but it does those guys are probably stronger on the needed to disclose what kind of. It Alex are you don't you talked earlier about the all star breaking get to that point though one of the instances and I'll never forget what Roy Halladay. Standing in front of the locker right before restarting the game and saying I'm answering the questions about potentially being traded. Here for as long as you want and then I'm not talking about a going forward the reason I bring this up is because around here Jon Lester is a big conversation is going to be free agent at the end of the year. And just kitty just tell me what you remember about the holidays situation in respect to. When you when you're looking to deal a top of the rotation guys or that's your exploring that. What's that like for general manager obviously everyone wants a guy liked apple what was that like. Not fun at all. And I was there I was I was an -- NG through charity. And I think it's not a pleasant other team's building I would say is at Talladega and it is very very. -- It won't speculate on players that are that are going to be regions and we potential free agent. But. Was it because it was in very obvious that it would acknowledged by the club. Knowledge by everybody. That really it was policy being shot. But it was available and I think it was made clear across the board so. -- it available at -- as well parties. Well I thought expecting a deal that happened because there were serious discussion is dialog and it was started doing that spoke I think I understand -- -- -- anywhere that's supposed to be free agent mr. should be free -- people want to speculate and so on but it doesn't mean that the club. Is planning country that's where having dialogue if I'd be completely the opposite might be criticize them if you look at Cole Hamels a few years ago. -- -- -- -- noble scheduled to be agent. But they'll probably try to sign him and they finally did. Of commonality standpoint. I don't let it. The Phillies will play in you know how he -- me. -- -- it just go to work and I don't think enjoyed going to do that at least you know that was the feedback I got in the -- and let. As obtaining that we live. And I just believe what it is it reportedly. Great class very gracious but he got to the its credit to its performance in the high level also cover everything every week. Basically when asked about it all the time and again that was so specific because it was clear it was available it was clear. People having discussions and that was on the open we've got to -- it was aware of it. I don't know that compared to anything else. In Dallas last question from me is along the lines of that going back to how they situation. One of the things I remember I think it was a GM meetings that USD answer questions about was potentially. Dealing Halladay. In within the division. And and that's the conversation being had now was another guy and again I understand why you can't talk about specifics but David Price. It it if the Yankees are gonna do anything people say they'll be a regular David Price but it's not that simple because -- in the division. When you went through that dynamic how did you view -- guy in that division and maybe -- even beyond -- how would you guard who how would you view dealing. Significant player within deserves the division. Well I think you know there's no question of injury it involving -- you know I can -- the division. Is that it might be just a hair better. In the division I don't think he talked about it which ultimately wanted to -- -- but if you bet it was division that would validate. We're prepared to do -- as much as people made me out of stock that the bet it was in the division over the -- gonna go down of course what is a little more complicated. Can he get an -- trade -- He could control where he was going to go. That was right you're not right it's vital that a lot of contacts here and you know they'll be present for that because. -- is separately that kind of recourse if it's in the end of the year and didn't get a drastic but. They'll go look at the other people might lose sight of is -- dark but it certainly is even going -- have a great player. Just because you know every -- of water right now we're gonna want great players but as a -- -- player. It's a possibility that the special permit these that make a lot of money and that was a dynamic for our audience that you -- -- break it down as. What -- -- -- -- look -- -- the player at that salary because some clubs is not the government said the current contract. Period and accessible via -- eliminate those clubs right there second component as. Which of those clubs they can afford to save the planet that it's there -- no. Happy young players that you comedy you like Abu -- it was clubs that out of and they can get that is that what we want you don't want Garza is a forward you're the controller -- in -- step by club. Young players that we -- had a chance to. This is stick around for awhile and of the affordable minimum -- and Pakistan so we start to break it and it was the -- It -- -- and you know what you find that match. About that. And build that back. And forth on it yet it will fire. The players the way we see. I think it except go to a place -- not -- percent sold on because he's six months away from being able to choose who want to go. News all of a lot of things to think about and Alex and -- you go a lot of things to think of I hope your enjoy yourself I tell you -- and you know this I've picked you guys. The wind division every year since 2003 and and I jumped ship this year so. You're welcome. You're welcome -- yeah I. It's it's -- -- to adopt final fight club or all clubs really. Particular division of this where respectable in the standings are well happily there big change that's been lost CNET. And -- -- well hopefully this. You know the good trip to see how we -- going into the break and hopefully come out and play well and I just don't think it says. It's going to be critical hit secessionist division basically you're grinding Arlen I would definitely not. Cannot any of it because right now we're just. We too much so. All great people up there and in good job so far Alex I really appreciate you joining us our credit. It certainly is the MLB trade deadline show I'm rob Bradford Alex spears on a cited. But he will be joining us shortly right after -- o'clock -- breakdown. All the particulars. All of the Red Sox minor league system guys who. Red Sox might wanna trade might not wanna trade. Great perspective no one better now to do that 61777979837. MLB trade deadline show sponsored by hope knowing insurance. And need dot com. So far Alex and populist fraud a blue jays general managers joined thank you very much Q Alex. We've also talked about the -- dealings the deal him. Don't you deal on. And if you did deal why do you have to get back because as I said before the problem is is that you have to get the players back. What you also have to get the value the draft pick back. Very very complicated complex situation going for it. And that's why it makes this month the most fascinating month of the MLB season to me is no question about it not a waiver trade deadline. July 31 and we're going to be would view. Every step of the way every week. Once a week at least let's go the phone lines again 6177797937. If you wanna join the conversation before we get the Mike you know dealt a wanna save every -- out beat out be safe out there. Fireworks -- great. Outstanding they're evacuating this astronaut right now. Some severe severe weather coming in everyone please be safe take cover and just never really really good. Fourth of July -- against his what you would call it hunkered down listened to the MLB trade deadlines. Are right -- in Oak Hill thanks for hanging in on Mike are you doing tonight. Hey good rob how are you -- -- yeah yeah thank you very much to get the kind of lure enough for nearly triple that -- is that the best. In the event that that affected but if you could wave yeah -- yet that's. -- to you know. I wanna tell you get a terrific interview. I have a question. This to link back that it could view you hear anything as far as Lester. -- goes maybe -- that you publish that led. Dublin OK well first so I'll start with -- -- -- -- the whole lack of conversation baffles yeah I mean they're not trading John Lackey why would you trade a guy. Who as a Major League minimum and everyone says he's not -- no way you play for the Major League minimum and there's no doubt in my mind might. -- you will wanted to renegotiate that maybe they well may maybe you can get. A couple year extension at a reasonable rate because of that Major League minimum right. I'll start right there on the -- I don't think lackeys in the conversation trade deadline. But Lester. I said before Mike you know I I find it very contrasting that they want to re engage a little bit. On this contract talks at this time. And is just a hypothesis. But eight could be that they're gonna gacy where the rat I don't think Lester wants to talk about contract right now I know that was the case when they came Adam. When this stock a couple you recently. Buy it it's it it might be the case of hey you know where are we can we -- yet if we get out of it is this realistic and if it is realistic may be looking to betray a little bit more. Right right if they'd decide the pulpit that I think is most would be -- I mean if if it looks like I know that that and a fifteen days -- -- It all the political the these as far as trading -- If they do is that anything I type they do think that the your lap -- I think -- I get a somewhat of a -- right form. It'll. I don't know how they thought ought to want it but it'll make it to yet. Yeah well it's like let's look at right maybe you say OK you have the Major League minimum next year. -- -- after the year you can become a free agency or a threat -- at you know what will -- to a 21. And now -- -- for another year going to be I think -- -- 36 at that time it makes a lot of cents by the but this be honest -- the Red Sox hold the cards a year. You consider how upset lackeys for the -- the carts. They did they do all the other dealt. That's why I think it'd probably -- who -- then they'll let them play I'll play out the year at least maybe. Towards the end of September and then we negotiate with them. I think we can get a good deal but I don't want to -- the -- -- -- Yet I I think -- too and Mike thanks for the call. EA in the importance is in Mike brings up some good points about Lackey -- going forward. We talked about the importance of having that top of the rotation. And having those guys and if you only use Lester what you can replace him as I've said this all along. Is this this is the value Jon Lester you know what he's gonna do in the American League east you know what he's gonna do in the post season. You know he's been pretty reliable will pretty pretty durable throughout his career so if you have that. How much are you willing to pay for that. Because if you don't have it you have to fill that gap somewhere is not going to be Henry Owens next year. It might eventually be someone but you might have to bite the bullet a little bit and that goes to. Also replacing David Ortiz -- how these guys that were talking about you have to start finding replacements. You have to do. And that's what we can talk to Alex -- a little bit about later. Who were some of the guys in the system that. Potentially could be those guys we talked about and Rio and guide devers is -- power prospects he can explain more about him but that's what they need desperately they need a guy who can -- top of the rotation starter and even more importantly they have to start developing guys who can -- with some power. Chris in Rhode Island Chris thanks for joining it's how you doing. -- nor accepted thanks. I question why -- on the big -- outlets are right like it's that you know you're getting into -- -- it is on the tail he keep money in the playoffs. But I indicate that they. Are selling. More kind of about return or would they be getting -- I would think if you look for anything pajamas sure -- -- upper tier prospects. Particularly -- prospects that -- in the minor league they're not stockpiled beats third base and shortstop our children -- extremely deep they're but as far as. Outfield they're not mean that it -- public -- productive they're trying to earn any mark you know it's like. Well in middle Brooks no Brooks is well. I mean I don't think there's any question that there. Searching for some outfield. Outfielders who can it was some pop I think it's a great point if you trade Lester. What you have to get back I think it's you have to get up potential middle of the order guy remember or go back to the will Myers conversation remember that. We're way out -- -- when you know Kansas City deals. Ford James Shields knew the deal will Myers it was a good trade -- -- sides but the reason why Tampa Bay did that deal. Was because finding a guy with a potential will Myers is so difficult. Is so difficult. It and Andy and Chris look at the guys who might be available in the in the open market. This well not even the open market but this month and trade deadline. Not a lot of potential out there for for -- the -- that's a tough one. My my question is if that didn't pray trade proceeds. That song that you can beat cigarettes that look it -- David -- street and -- like you know keep getting that return. And should. If not. Thank you -- better return. -- Yet they prove they for the call Chris well here's the thing about the price conversation compared to Lester. Price is gonna get you more and downright -- talking about the type of pitcher the the age of the pitcher. He's gonna get you more because of whatever team is trading for him is going to be. In the position to get a draft pick if you walks after the -- next year we've talked about this if you trade Jon Lester. In a team who trades for him. Will not have the opportunity to get a draft pick if he walks a team that trade for David Price. Will because a player has to be on the team for an entire year in order for that team to -- the qualifying offer and get the traffic. These are things that you have to start committee memory. You have to start understanding because it is not as simple as well whose battered David Price or Jon Lester is just not that simple. This go to John the track are you doing John happy fourth. There rob -- are read off the top alone that I appreciate you aren't you because. You work on the -- and and you you can come right out there you know Red Sox are that good. Been so many -- Royal are -- -- -- -- John you know it's. It. And I in the stat that I keep citing -- needed to member of the Red Sox in in -- -- just no way around it. If you have only one more than two games and rode twice all year. Then that whenever you're doing you got to find a different path. Well it might point at this I think he got to concentrate on keep the -- And I don't care package while colts -- -- -- goal at present he. He beat you take that fact -- and what sort of up to any other -- war to deal with you you're not gonna get a better than a mid range player anyway not to get a stop or player. What that package so. -- -- -- -- -- Q. You are Puerto -- and that they know middle. No I wouldn't even. Give that guy any consideration anymore. Arms they would they handle the work itself while. All. Bring up baskets. Was good so jaundiced to be clear. You talk about treading these other making these other moves but you want Lester is the foundation you want that guy at the top -- rotation. Going for right you do not want to mess around with trading him to another team potentially go to another team and say are you know what this is not bad. Outside of Boston you do wanna keep them try to work out a contract in the gulf war right. Yeah okay yeah I mean here in a nutshell yet. Well I mean if you come -- include it in the left. -- go to peace nick. Up the -- who. Stick around local five years then you know suck it up some money and don't -- and hopefully -- above average -- from now until you. Get played out again because in my opinion I think that you know that he -- South of fourteenth in is not going to play a lot of the metal. What your buyer or seller or whatever you do the purple heart that the trade deadline in -- you're not going anywhere. Yeah I mean John it would it would take -- -- thanks for the car really appreciated or take a lot to go in Iran and I don't begrudge him for waiting for the all star break here. -- in the little bit of a soft underbelly of the schedule of the White Sox at the Astros. While book ended around Orioles here. So. Ticket you'll see what you can't see what you can do for Intel the all star break he got I think nine games -- he -- your -- go from there. And then start making some decisions we Alex and populist who was on -- this earlier cited the Kansas City Royals last year. -- the royals you look at their record. At the all star break and then right after the all star break they go on this tremendous run like 52 were something like that. And by VE trade deadline almost signed ball -- the conversation changed god was the urban Santana trade -- and now they're lucky they were looking to add pieces. So we can change is no question about it. You have to be prepared for everything that's what makes this trade deadline so great I think. I think it's some great conversations both ways it's not just poll what should need to cool can you go out -- or who should you sell. It's a wide open. It is absolutely wide open and in starting with the Jon Lester conversation. It's great. I mean there's so many layers of it we've waited out week we played the sound from Lester we played the sound from Sheraton. So after the break or recruited talked Alex beer WTI dot com will be on the show usually but he's on assignment tonight. The July 3 coveted. Simon two parts unknown scouting and minor leaguers. No better person to do it is no better person to breakdown. Who the Red Sox have to deal with it might wanna hang on to and maybe they should deal. A rate that you know what Devin perera is he that good. Which they hang onto them Alex is the guy who's going to be -- tells better than anyone right after this. All right you -- back -- rob Bradford WEEI dot com this is the MLB trade deadline show the rarest of a view this month once a week heading on into the not wavered trade deadline on July 31. Sponsored by the great folks at -- -- and insurance. Go to hub and go around a little bit explore. A -- dot com I -- That you go there and check it out if you need to sit around that I haven't watched the fireworks great fireworks show bad weather get inside peace day. As mentioned. The other person usually who and who will be sitting in the -- seat during the show Alex beer Debbie -- dot com. Is on assignment by you break in a way from his radar gun readings and he's doing right now Alex are you say for everything all right. I think they're mostly. Cards very close -- Randomly -- recuperate. When you don't go you know what Alex I've played a little Alex beard went over last year Mark Austin Spinner. What was the guidance -- was got to throw in a hundred with the guys on there on rehab assignment on this is the quiz Fareed. By the Mercedes guy yet you've got to use it. I'll news bitty city -- a hundred right now. Here's just warming up but it was good to see those guys it was good to see. Travis was there in the aging so it was obviously top draft pick for the Red Sox. But it was as always those people are you know those people aren't great last year right. There are spectacular people and you know it's certainly it's an interest they actually like are -- more -- -- Group of position players have been open and than a few years. Between same Travis and that there's there's really intriguing a little bit clumsy guy -- he's been playing very well. Yeah that you have to answer -- to be out of interest thing a lot -- -- a very unheralded shortstop in very cute who bought. Volleys -- we're said the unite here but it's been going pretty well the first hours gone pretty well and I look forward it would not diverted partner for Murray cute you -- No no not yet but view of the nice so young and are you -- you know it's yeah let's be honest real. Little worried about the you -- the fireworks July 3 what's gonna happen first trade deadline so it is really good and having you want is makes it even better buy -- and topple also is it was very interesting I thought it's good collars some. Really educated -- in terms of the trade deadline and and as we were saying before the break was great about having you on and having you around is that. When we talk about what the Red Sox might deal or what they might not steal from the minor leagues you with a -- returned to win. And so. I wanna start talking first of law Beverly -- It is the first what do jumped to mind. Because we talked about the dead spin article earlier this week how that was leaked out and the biggest takeaways for me in how do you tell me if it was for you was well. Was that they were willing to deal dev memory error for Bud Norris did that surprise you. You know at that point -- because remember they add Dublin also had Jose Iglesias your organization so they had. They had an elite defensive shortstop. They were thinking in terms of Bogart's being shortstop. Third base you have the kind of crowd of of cheeky here as well as sides should keep his -- meadowbrook. In you know kind of with with with yet -- the Bogart. I could potentially end up at that position as well. So no the Red -- had a really crowded. Left side of the infield scenario that was unfolding at the upper levels last year and they continued to it's it is a you know they're they're going to have. Some -- -- there's a chance at least that they'll have some very interesting -- search and at the shortstop position for years to come. Because you know behind. -- there's Italian in rookie ball at this point named Javier care are. Through there are a number of people in the organization we'll tell you this I don't ever heard of him but he is look best prospect in the system. In itself. You know I think it's more aero because you know so you have you have a couple of factors that weigh in Q. Gateway into whether or not you would -- -- in what has -- aren't you would have alternatives to a would be very good at the position. In the other is can he move elsewhere and be as valuable -- -- -- moved a lot of places really valuable. Evercore aero is and no -- is patently action tale. AZ doesn't he's he is already defense -- Major League a very good Major League defense of shorts. Right and -- he had a chance to be so I'll be an above average at shortstop. And an average to slightly above average offensive shortstop with a fairly straight forward projections so that's kind of like. He's been through it last year as maligned dispute now. You know that if they like him being somewhat better than what Stephen Drew was last year is the kind of projection of the effort that Marrero and -- That's the guy that you value and in fact there are numbers are officials say you know this this could be a championship caliber shortstop. For us. But at the same time. You know it wouldn't shock me if they didn't even as well as he's played this year is still wouldn't shock in -- treaty. Just because they you have alternatives that position in the I still think that there are people in the organization who believe that they are Bogart's. You know would be a very successful. Shortstop you know obviously elite offense when he gets through this. Amazingly long slump that he's been and in very solid -- Alex spirit of the -- dot com cohost of this show MLB trade deadline Cho who's on assignment checking in and -- or play this game which is. A team comes the Red Sox -- in name to be in name of a minor league your which number one and that people might not. Did not know about as much of -- Henry Owens or one of these other guys who have been talked about so much in a team comes the Red Sox and asked for this guy in the Red Sox they know. We wanna hang on to that guy this guy I'm legacy untouchable but we really wanna hang -- this guy some. Under the radio. Well I don't know that there -- there's a reason why those guys and up. Eating as kind of like bell and soft guys and that's because they end up having some organs you know they -- Date they end up being known at this point two. The baseball landscape but -- -- this is you know almost surely off the table. That almost surely officers Blake's wife art. Is a really interesting one who borders on the optic cable. The interest in part there is that you you have an ultimate candidate to be a very good short very good catcher in Christian that step and you know those threats such an -- some interesting decisions about it's. Retained if they hoped it say they would love it -- side of threats are caught up as in if he would not so that it would mean it. But it's -- -- would become available at trade. You would be I would have. Who would probably be a legitimate anger her. For. Almost any kind of blockbuster deal not everyone -- you're -- going to have slight hardest thing anchor for opportune palace in Princeton. But he is really really really highly regarded as -- about -- Johnson that's become. Our Alan Johnson the pitcher. I Johnson did it -- yes. Well I think that they they likable but make no mistake -- He's kind of been a stand with swift. Along with you know next to the maps are loses in the insecure about it I think there are some people think there's there's a reasonable chance that he can and that I think perfectly career. And those guys but it it's healing is probably that of page number three starter. If you're able to get something that's you know it is more impact for that for a couple years I've been I think that Johnson. Johnson could be consideration to. Only he's an interesting guy am I about Brian Johnson. Former first round pick either the red Sykes. And right now Portland 71173. Year are -- eleven starts. 53 strikeouts seventeen walks and bring him up because you use setting the a lot of people project him at number three but right now you look at those double -- numbers. And maybe you're selling at just the right time on I don't know why it made it much like you they sold on nick -- don't. Right and and we saw what he's become. So it's it's all about selling at the right all right time -- right by you as a first round pick. And there was a perception of hard throwing lefty. And in so they sold them on the right time I mean he was important not the important part of that master's in -- marquis is trade. But uses an important part right so it's what my point is selling on guys at the right time. And that's why though is the guy who comes to mind in category because you're the guy who is putting up absolutely outrageous numbers right now. With Portland he was named to the putrid game this week to replace -- that's. If he is just short of having enough that that's all by. For all of all the minor league leaderboard categories. But if he did that -- come very close to the top. You know kind of a top five top ten -- in average I think OP piece built. Certainly slugging. He is he's destroying the ball in in Portland. Issue with is the issue with a guy like that is it there isn't track record of certainty -- coming off of having to. To repeat that high a hill of beans and two full years spare. Actor and not performing particularly well right he didn't perform well out of it. -- that's just you know -- buy him. In about you know at about six weeks in Salem. And and so he was really. You know here as they. He was going to be of interest thing. An interesting conversation to what about the Red Sox would protect him from the rule five draft by adding forty man roster after the season. That is no longer the case -- he's looking almost certainly elect someone. Who have to be protected by by virtue of that instantly effect kind of almost wishes you a little bit more towards thinking well. He is someone who you would think about explored the trade value of such as the Red Sox did. In 2011 when they told a guy named -- shin Chang who had gone off in Portland that year. Into this court has yet at the forty man roster after that your. -- they sold high on them I mean is that the Bedard trade. Yeah I wouldn't say like sold. You know Eric. The -- I mean they gave up and in -- and so he's cute with a great arm right. Channel I'd note that was our that was 10 yeah so anyway. But they. But they -- in that deal and that Bedard deal federal overreach. Right -- in there. Yeah yeah so Bible back. Have -- even five who is kind of like -- a you know like a fringe rotation guy probably wouldn't have made it very far in the AL east let's add value to the Dodgers -- a certain point. And yeah they they gave up change in bed. Shouldn't there are reports peace to that that I am that I'm I'm not work. Well you know it's it's it in the reason we're having this conversation is this time years because it is great to look at. How old team -- prospects. -- he sometimes prosperous did build up sometimes prospects under rated. Buy it if we take a look back is that there are some interesting guys we mentioned -- ago in Richard Chang -- be mentioned Federer over its. It there it's these guys at different points are the same as the guys were talking about now in the other question I -- ask Alex in regards to my early years. You look at the pictures the the top tier minor league pitchers for the -- sites mentioned Johnson forget him Webster Renato. Della Rosa. Who might Barnes. Okay that group wanted to see anyone I guess to throw -- in there if you want that girl that group who work if if if if the team says okay. We'll take one of those you that you pick which one which one do you deal. He dole wrote keep Workman. Further review missed both of those guys became pretty tantalizing cutie -- to the may actually level. -- Johnson's long term flexibility has used up any options. You know I. I guess that you know web server has had to -- -- second option year he does have a pretty interest in stealing. Probably that exceed that of the other guys sort keep him. And so for me it's probably decision. Between -- hands were not -- arms Johnson. I would. It hit right now. Right now I would probably make that decision between bravado of arms that was probably -- OK let's -- it. We're getting somewhere nice before you take off before you go back and assignment. Where do you weigh in on the Bogart's conversation. And this really isn't trade deadline related I understand. -- But where how how much rope do you give them to give him the rest of the year regardless. Unless you see you can't you can't draw you can. Say certain things about you know oh he's up for the rest of the year because. You know it has confidence looks just. Destroyed and you have to send it down right it's really a question of how you respond. He's the one who dictates how much -- you give him right now you give -- as if if he maintains the outlook that he has right now. Did you give him with a group of the rest of the year because. He's you know he's confident his abilities he he understands that you already had. Major League success so he understands that there are coupled. Of the site mechanical issues that are going on. -- equivalent themselves of this struggle it does appear to me at least. In May the last handful of games to magnify it's somewhat beyond that a man who become you know there's -- Kind of growing discomfort for four on the -- And you can see moments of just like kind of shaking -- -- -- that's all that over the plate. But I think that he's still in that's pretty cute they were -- with regards to. You know I'm better and I'm better in this -- primarily it's not like it's like they -- circuits are made when -- official shy of Mike. He does he he did not look like he viewed himself as a weekly pitcher at that point yell at you know -- -- that the guy that. And I analyze all this is really the last question because in real quick we we talked about with the -- we were talking about the last hour Lester conversation. And this is regard today the -- on waiver trade deadline Red Sox go on. Keep going down this path and you had the all star break in Europe and eleven games out. And now it becomes clearly -- cellist -- Acela friend of mine. Do you trade heading into the last part of the month you really really aggressively try to trade John last. Really really aggressively tried to trade note really really aggressively explore what the market is. Yes because back if you heck of a lot of clarity in terms of in terms of what his value is live with regards negotiations and you know maybe maybe you -- find that China. Magical trade you know magical return. -- would just like doing it by. With Clinton there's. He's the guy who they want to -- -- who I think if your organization still has some believe it even though they're following up Libyan -- October or suppress the dispute. They still have a shot at retaining. There's also believe that. Guys don't like to be treated in. Well it into what we don't know and we talked about this is that. There's always that possibility guy loves it somewhere right he goes somewhere else says you maybe this isn't that bad and the other part about it is in. That the dynamic of trading a guy like Jon Lester. Who you have the potential getting a draft pick for that and you've said this a bunch of times you have to get the players and then you also to get the value of the draft pick. And you'll look back last year. Since this qualifying thing. Happened. There was -- last year who and -- been in that kind of circumstance or traded I mean there are Chicago wasn't an offer. Right well. -- right I guess that this was the option without that guarantee -- yeah odds are not peavy by Bud Norris for instance. There they -- court that's another bad example but there was nobody else in that position where you say hey you know what. We know we're giving up the right to get this draft pick in organ trade and. Question -- -- right -- of the cubs they have a fueling that line to the Rangers. Our dogs and they end -- getting. Getting but some legitimate prospects. Legitimate prospects back that was a time when there was some there was some uncertainty about whether or not. What and our cars so was -- you know the right guys you got to confer a to. And furcal playing now from some help us but it sort of pitching well so that it probably been erased by. You know they they were able to get they were able to get some would put debuted at some impact prospect back like multiple. Impact prospects. We're close to the Major League. So they they were able to -- answered their mind yes we cleared that -- of. Players and the -- your doctor right absolutely. Alex BCA fireworks night. -- metaphorically. At -- you're so sassy. Are right there Alex. Lol we'll see where you're back in will be this with you live in studio next week. I am eager to be in studio rob eager I know -- -- -- size is that the same but you were very good thank you out of I appreciate I appreciate your kind of -- It myself. -- Alex beer this is the MLB trade deadline show after the break. We are going to talk to avid relic of the Houston Chronicle reason we're gonna talk to haven't -- the Houston Chronicle who used to cover the Red Sox by the way. If the talk a little bit about the leak of the Houston front office conversations. At the trade deadline for the last ten months the winter meetings. Everything leading up throughout the last ten months in regards to deals and get his perspective on how the Houston Astros office -- also it gives us a great time line in terms of when these clocks start to happen and how the gain momentum heading into the July 31 -- -- will be right after this this is the MLB trade deadline show sponsored by -- knowingly insurance. Coming back -- Are right back MLB trade deadline show sponsored by a new and New England insurance. Hub and doing nothing after the fireworks. All hunkered in because there is some bad bad weather coming -- the bad weather. Doesn't look like is huge fans can be game tomorrow by. Don't take my word for it go to bed and wake up he was going nine by this be safe -- be safe enjoyed the fourth of July coming up. And there's no better way to ring in. The hour. Leading into the fourth of July than with the MLB trade deadline and is no better way he'll listen to the MLB trade deadline to have -- relic. Of the Houston Chronicle on witness. -- are you doing. You know this is everything I work -- right when I left when I left Boston the moment. I couldn't stop thinking about was the data route route to invite me back on -- show and I can make my crowning glory for. -- thank you rob you annoy you crowding glorious return in you you're earmarked it for 1130 at night on July 3. Now go to the people who think well listen they pay -- how we view this we we came into this week we saw this is a challenge. As the first MLB trade deadline show. Ten to 1210 to midnight. And we are absolutely dominating it Alex in topples came on whether it's the the second best Alex actually the first -- Alex Alex the year. And now. The first best government. Revelations -- Well that -- thank you so way. All right so -- relic used to cover the Red Sox last year of mass live dot com you sad you left. Oh you mean he's from a professional simply out I think well oh you are. Well -- well I think I particularly at all you use your regret making this the switch. No I don't regret it alone don't regret all that had no regrets over there. So I think we're Europe. You heard dominating that two person could be on the Houston Astros are not gonna -- into the Houston Astros coverage. And -- a lot goes Hartford for test. Being the Houston Astros in in being kind of a crappy team and and being team is covered by two different people. What goes on with you guys really. Really yeah you Sports Illustrated covers and and now. Now the reason one of the reasons I wanted to have you on many reasons one of the reasons that one have you on causes that's been article game now. And it chronicled ten months' worth of conversations with the Houston Astros front office and everybody's you were talking trades where. Soul and you actually had written a story was in spring training about the computer system all right so take us through a little bit. About oh what exactly were talking about because all people have heard the last couple days. In a nutshell is someone hacked in the Astros computer and got all of the documents -- get all the time line of conversation. -- Houston Astros GM and -- front office people had regarding trades. What exactly is this computer thing -- Well it just hear your overall point about how much -- you to be in the news I think Kenny Rosenthal some summed it up really well because people into the com. An audio line and they are simple line it's always something with this team is and -- and it's true I mean it really has always been something going on with -- -- to put them in the news despite help. Badly they've played -- that the big league level. The ground control -- -- -- -- about it was -- -- the parliament. We you know how long what was the first report on Carmine out 2000 and adds. Or does and -- I don't know -- You know Carmine everyone thought karma in what is like this this computer this one computer but yeah no I wasn't it was a system but anyway continue. -- also going to Carmine existed. And I knew what you've done something similar typically have one that. And event particularly on the program work the story. The ground control. It it's a web site. That. Think south and central and everything to the after the government clean looking web site where they could beat DePaul that may have the proprietary that. The component video that you know kind of the evidence and know that. Pretty much anything you want it's there they have a treat evaluated that was of them he tried both kind of the the -- is the kind of thing you see video games right united put it in them the told you can -- check mark or something like that. And they have this. And then sort of land and with the store with a photo and in the photos the loose there was visible. For those who clicked on an online you can actually see below ground control the -- problem right away because the F super worried. You know that somebody might try to get into it now. That could have led to perhaps somebody getting into. But what happens if somebody you have to say it was -- that somebody got -- the system an outside entity not that somebody from the inside leaked out information. But somebody somehow made their way into the system illegally. And now I know the security and yet they are investigating -- Cordelia took him obviously accounted the local Houston office here didn't comment to us. The chronicle so we don't know what more about the investigation side that I talked to an independent IT expert. When the point that prosecuting these -- probably doesn't happen unless -- you can prove -- real monetary damages because really go after what you can show you really hurt. But maybe because as a Major League Baseball high profile situations they did the I will go after it. That's embarrassing -- should have been allowed if you'll pardon when you're losing as much as you have. You have to run out of strong PR campaign you've got to be able to convince people. How did you plan isn't. To some extent to talk to mark you are and why you're doing this get a comic cover up a little bit. So they allowed a team that all of you -- technology it happened to be the one. -- screwed up now you can argue and people will say this with hacking it's not a matter of you know whether it can happen just a matter went right because somebody want to get -- -- they can get them. It's hard to overlook the irony of the Astros. The theme of the 23 century you know. Being the one that happen to be hacked. OK so this is -- relic of Houston Chronicle wartime duties he worked at mass live covering the Red Sox when I used to dominate him on the the and and at the so evident. One of the things about when you saw this dead spin report a -- And you realize you just explain it close to home and you guys might be responsible for this because of that pitcher who -- I don't tour -- I don't know who cares it's not your problem. -- -- -- You are not tell you did a great story to be the fact that you did that story. Ahead of the curve having these tremendous. So yes that it would. -- -- public realm at that point the crowd control -- so nobody had written about for yeah oh absolutely much better than the Bobby Jenks Torre arrived at I wrote it just because I thought you'd be crowded nightclub in there you know you've accomplished something. And so have done for you so. You -- so weak you you look this is published in dead spin it comes out and now you start seeing the the actual conversations. Is that what it would jumped out you the most because -- here and we look at the wrote the prism of the Red Sox. We're talking without -- about this earlier to me the government rare thing the Red Sox actually offered. -- Marrero and rival of our way not a surprise that rumor Marrero a surprise. So when you look at that when you looked at the transcript of what was there anything that -- doubt it use it while Kimberly did they actually did that. I I think that there's gotta -- with the idea that the qureia and springer for Jean Karl stand which tomorrow and subsequently denied although. I can't -- I've seen every response to every GM. I haven't seen any other GM say now that trade that wasn't true the fault. Die yet not even -- -- the Sheraton was quoted as saying. I -- Friday -- has basically about it. Right. I think that finishing Drake who even today you can wonderment that we're doing great. Yeah that that sort of standout performer we're talking. About Lucas Harrell -- is sitting at triple play music mean to me to a rotation this year. For G Alito. In my draft pick a couple of years ago. Which is. I did show the people start crying and then and the work their way down but in terms of the one individual -- you look back into world that would have been pretty insane it would be that. Springer they have operated deal which you can understand you know if you're if you're the Marlins why wouldn't you have to adapt and on some level -- you know you have to work a mind to to try to. Push forward more in the immediate moment -- why would you consider that a city after. You know I've slowly and in you don't want another interesting thing as we. Geared towards July year to -- -- July 3 almost like July 4 and we always try to do is to figure out when things start to -- team. And I'm looking at the timeline so early some of the first entries last year 628. Paean to cat. City would not do do Dylan -- the suggested Mike right Pedro stroke. San Francisco Cox or -- in July 28 July 30 Pittsburg reaches out. Then you jumped to July 19 that's when Toronto gets in in. Ask what it take for Norris but it gives it what it does it gives you an exact idea kind of how things are unfolding right now right. Yeah yeah but it is did you did you find any that surprising. Now now let them through the process. I don't know but it's it's always good because. -- what we're hearing now Levin is if we're here and she dams still you know it's the work in progress nothing's really I don't respondent. But this is really when. Then substantial conversations happening and we we have -- some topless on earlier in the show and he said really estimate. How many teams would you say are sellers right now would you classify as sellers would it be and -- he said actually one. He's identified one I don't know maybe that's the -- -- Yeah well I talk different about that -- and first question I have control over these next couple weeks in the decide determine what you do they had a run if you call it and commonwealth content portal through people. In May when they're playing well. We'll look -- -- the first time they've fallen off since. And -- back and lastly because today. With the worst would -- and help. I did in the front office electric consultant believing hey we -- critical pieces we can contend here if they run that mindset they would have had you know. -- brought some of their top Michael account to the -- Further than that I did they are ultimately felt the -- equivalent of seven. You know we're not only focused on twenty competed beyond her or the next couple years -- -- -- is better. But the logical thing -- in the -- -- -- to move reliever to read that previous -- depart with a have a little left candidate to lead at the start of the year. And public system AAA. Need to keep the -- to prepare for I don't know what there are open areas right now -- the -- that are very good bullpen. State to never informed so huge relief. -- to try to get ready and it looked it up both. He's the guy that. Make sense to trade. But on the court sided with the Astros. After being so terrible -- the leaders and essentially promised they'd be better this is that finally get to see some. Evident that there -- -- that that this plan is working at the big league level and their bullpen nearly don't have today was the worst in the majors into -- So do you trade Tony kept do you trade Chad Qualls has signed a two year deal. -- obviously want to be used and to some extent. Don't believe that that's the question really about going deadline at Dexter Fowler. -- talking with are different the bit about this earlier on line -- journal. Yeah yeah you know eight. He's the guy you look at Ohio BP. Familiar with the creation via -- even freeagent. Critical of looking like a retroactive interest cinema that I would think they would if if as I understand from afar there's a need for an outfield that -- Okay let me ask -- this and all -- -- on this -- if you're if you're gonna make you know the Red Sox organization you know the Astros organization. You can make a trade between those two teams to -- You know I actually thought two weeks ago the one in my head -- Jackie Bradley junior referred -- -- -- I don't know if it. You're the attitude after and I -- do that it's -- shown enough to make that. Do you want. You know I think if you put in another -- -- and I think that you have between the deal I don't want to read it would be -- second -- to the predicates. Started out while I mean I'm I'm -- you write this I'm leaving your right to water here Mike I'm lightly for you under the words -- car. So I mean c'mon. Are you were so I was always he was also in this report Tuesday it's been report as well. Yeah well and then they don't. -- -- for him you know we have John -- notified that contradictory to first base and struggling but you can first -- and for the time being they've -- they're kind of -- and left fielder. To make of it -- the guy right now but it did there's really no place to play carpet and I think it. He could he could appear at a point in the -- he's in the car would have been a little more sensitive to I don't know where you -- really. Thought Abbott I was since I was a kid I was in when Saddam Marie the we were not we agree we are probably we tied die you don't agree or Eudora -- great work in. I think that was that was that story about the computer system is ground zero that was really yeah. You should take a lot of pride that that was a good one and an obvious -- control crime patrol -- what I -- -- ground zero a ground. Non control non control I can't come up with a name better naming ground control it's ridiculous anyway I well it's good to hear from you and. And Red Sox had -- Houston pretty soon here. And really I think that series will determine the fate of other Red Sox season one way or the other. -- you want to hurt so hopefully -- -- always overall wryly. Won't say okay August 1 of Iraq could be after August 1 of course of the Red Sox vs yankees meet the game which. Haven't relic is my battery me after them out. Thought they -- ever in thanks for joining us happy 4 July throughout thank you. -- That is -- relic Houston Chronicle we -- -- a little bit late here in restoring on in to the midnight hours and a great show so far MLB trade deadlines show sponsored by up -- insurance. There wrap things up right after this and less reason a couple phone calls cock a little bit about trade it's been we cut -- great cost and really intelligent calls so far along with. Cavalcade of stars Alex spear out in populist Ronald blue jays GM. -- -- Houston Chronicle so we come back from the break 617. 77979837. If we -- squeeze in some calls. To get some last minute trade deadline conversation going right after this. I'd rob Bradford WEEI dot com -- spear on assignment will be back next week for next week's MLB trade deadline cosponsored by -- insurance hub and the dot com I want thanks Jack -- on the glass producer because of -- thank you now I would forget that is this the best. July 3 trade deadline so that we agree that. Miller has -- a good show right. I think so right charity over and yeah it's it was a lot of fun to do we've had. -- guests. Outs and topless Toronto Blue Jays gentleman throughout the year code for -- show checking remotely. -- relic who I thought that was really interesting I thought it was interesting about him explaining how that -- used to master everything went around it is. All we have is the -- it's been report that he actually was at the forefront of it. Before we take off heading into July 4 that we -- talk about the trade deadline in what the Red Sox potentially need not come back to wait. Lester conversation aside I'd think that they have to find a way to get power back. Somewhere along the lines -- the one of the most under played stories is that what happens when Dave Ortiz leaves. And when we talk about this year not having a power bat it always comes back to Nelson Cruz why didn't Red Sox -- Nelson Cruz this morning on DNC. Ben charity in -- sites general manager bench Eric and talk a little bit about that. You know back to the Nazis and you know we have we look at what we project that are out so to be. We -- -- -- helped -- We're very good -- order take out so early important. Reporter art -- a number of ways that should go to the he starts in right field. And certain. And and there was -- there's an inclination to keep him in right field even -- obviously suits that are before. Currently sell it. He's such also weapon in right field. Who are and keep them there so. The current field covered. And center -- -- -- thinkers. Was circular. We -- were CH RC EH is covered. I'm in the left field we have eighty. Or off last year -- -- competition. Films are not which delivered you know sort of -- -- production. In baseball last year in aggregate impact. For four of their combined with our -- better than those smokers was 2013. I'm so -- at all all that incident at an apartment -- the fact that you know aspect urged Europe it. Balances. Need to lead -- up. We felt the match up and so. Obviously -- an equal and -- History that our. I really can't look back -- power and think we would have done it differently but I. I'm certainly do -- credit and did not respect. Here. Down by worries sell on you go back to it and I know that they -- -- Lauren Nelson and Susan in obviously delicate right now. By you do have to look at what they have -- feel now firing domes that dynamic specially now coming off the years he did. Victorino right and it may be where it would go it was misjudged a little bay disease got Victor Reno as a fail safe and senators so. Now that's hindsight but the -- play point is that gonna have to find a power -- some more year. They were he's talked about in spring training so when we're talking about the team not waiver trade deadline going forward. What the Red Sox need obviously they need offense but I also think we have to start talking and where are you gonna get. The middle of the order bats because David Ortiz on the would be here for a couple more years. You need to start finding some solutions into Bogart's with potential leave that guy. In May be potentially that god but we've seen sometimes it takes a little while for a guy like that develop its gonna take these guys time. So we're gonna find them. You you talk about guys who are out there in the market some guys -- been mentioned Alex Rios. Entrusting the you have about a fourteen and a half billion dollar contract this year next year and team option. Those of assorted names that we're going to be talking about. In the coming weeks and and trade MLB trade deadline show sponsored by our good friends at -- New England turns. Guys back patio today once again an awesome job I appreciate you guys really again. I guess -- ring in July 4 the I don't know if you do that but we're willing to get a couple minutes here to July 4. I want to wish everyone a very happy July 4 have a great time. Please be safe tolerable weather out there hunkered down and do whatever you have to do have a good time and thank you so much. For a great two hours listening -- we had a lot of fun we're gonna do it all again next Thursday however great week.