Nov 21, 2013|
Rob Bradford and Alex Speier examine all the off-season moves on the Hot Stove Show. Rob and Alex also catch up with Rangers hitting coach Dave Magadan and ask him about the Rangers acquiring first baseman Prince Fielder.
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That's right. 86. Days Alex 86 days to tactic to tactic to -- 86 days are. I have a feeling I do yes that's been defeated and out what do you the day of pitchers and catchers reporting to spring training officially. 79 days until trucked there you go -- 86 days until the beginning of spring training but there's a lot of hot stove clock between now. And then the end of those 86 days I'm rob Bradford WEEI dot com along with Alec spear the same exact organization. Here for another hot stove showed of course the hot stove show it but do you buy. The beaches of Fort Myers and cinemanow. Along with my friends Barbara and Lester Barbara Lester Gould school distinctive clothing in -- So happy to have all those people on board will talk more about them as the show goes on I always love talking about goals and the clothing Alex. I went over there the other day -- -- that you're over there. It relieves me more you're not -- and I tell you're at 86 days obviously also leads us to the beaches of Fort Myers -- well. Indeed which which leads -- your Speedo sponsorship of this it's just a matter of time. So we got a lot to get to Alex at -- later it later in the show we're gonna have Dave McNamee -- former Red Sox hitting coach. Current Texas Rangers hitting coach and he's going to be very interesting guy to have -- because of the obviously this trade is just went down last night. Which the extremes and he concluded the tigers tigers sent infielder. Who gave -- in Texas Rangers we're gonna talk about now a little bit later. -- to go to as they said it would talk to Dave. Leader in the show. But first let's go through exactly what has happened since that time we were talking at -- with last week where he would David Ross on we have -- grieve for Michael Mike Napoli to agent on. Since that time as. Happens in the world of the offseason -- though things have transpired. Everything has changed from not everything well it's getting it's getting there getting there so. Carlos -- But too long after our our trip -- -- not too long after our last show. Carlos Ruiz signs for the Phillies and as we have reported and as we heads that after that. That. Carlos Ruiz was gonna going to be big guy in a lot of respect was gonna push the catching market potentially push the chairs Saltalamacchia market. Personalized what was your take away when you saw that Carlos who we have three year contract with a fourth year he mops and borrow and it was. What was it four it was a hole when he six point 66 though don't you heard that out what was your first reaction. This is this is a good market for catchers certainly I think that he got a year longer. Enacting a lot of people would have expected visit -- for a guy who's 34 are going to be 35 at the start -- season. I think that the Red Sox thought that he was going to be he was certainly open. To the idea of two years which is why the Red Sox were -- pretty hard about in in pursuit of him. I think they were dismayed that the Phillies decided let's drop the trump card fiasco of a three -- that's. But you know it's an interesting conversation as we talked about this is this what's going to happen this offseason right where you set the price. By then. Another team says well last year we were willing to trump that but now this year because all the money in the market twice as much as work. In previous years for last year where we're all right -- -- -- thirty year yeah. And you know it's it's becoming the case that ten million dollars is not an expensive contract in Major League Baseball circles anymore. It's it's kind of a staggering reality when you think about it. It just just a second fathom the idea that the qualifying offer a well was fourteen point one million dollars this year. That's the average. About 125. Salaries -- a million dollars more than last year it went up by a million dollars or talking about it a bump of one almost 8% seven you know bright almost 8% in the course of one year. Guy you are you know thirteen million dollars. Was back in the days of before Kevin Brown that was what the record contract yes we're tech -- fifteen years. What have thirteen million dollars is gone from from being well fourteen point one million dollars has gone from being basically record setting. To being the average of the top 125 dollars. Well I'll go all taken even closer to where we are right now the J. D. -- contract the J. D. Drew fourteen million dollars a year contract. We were down at the winner -- -- down literal window when that contract came up. And -- how can you ever spent fourteen million dollars on this outfielder. Seven years later he might be a twenty million dollar a year guy that's just a tick over twenty. Mr. ticket I should also mention if you wanna join the conversation and we we welcome you into the hot stove show. -- what courage yet we encourage you -- as -- said big -- and going to be on with buddies are beyond the will later in the show we're gonna go all the way up until 8 o'clock. You enjoy the conversation number is 617. 7797937. -- you're doing the eighteen -- tax slide at 379837. Or you can reach us on Twitter which so many people do Alex pat Brad -- and at Alex -- asked the I. Yeah and I'm not offended if you can now so sort targetable but about the catching market we thought the rule we've citing would push things along a little bit for Saltalamacchia. Doesn't seem debt that they're getting pushed very quickly. Yeah well a couple of things have come to light the first is that you know first -- -- the fact that through their Ruiz returned to the Phillies. I think you know meant that it wasn't going to be meant that it wasn't gonna be a big impact had he gone elsewhere. The Phillies are a team that likes to stay out in front of the curve since then they're probably. They're moving pretty quickly and a plan B and that may well have been Jarrod Saltalamacchia so. I think the ballots that that wasn't a great -- that was agreed outcome for so there's a bill is still I guess the thing that we're learning now is the pecking order of the catchers we still have -- sitting there in Utah and it was -- to his agent yesterday and Wright who said that there's no timetable in terms of when he signing buster Olney reported that in a couple of in the next couple of weeks. He's going to be going on the recruiting -- In which he gets to visit the teams that are interested in themselves. He's not really in a rush I think that so that means that. Almost certainly if you're Saltalamacchia. You know you kind of probably need that that. -- can't market to be a little bit better defined in order to get your deal also I think that what you might see is some of the lower tier catchers. Moving up the market for instance we've seen reports today. That that one of the Molina Brothers not ready yet his is working on a two year deal to return to -- to return to the rays but. I think that Saltalamacchia in the -- markets are very much in her. It -- and it also makes you wonder went to the deadlines start happening we we talked about with a Red Sox. About these players that they have out there and what they do with these players do not -- back the Red -- Well you have to make decisions he not only have to make decisions on. What players you're gonna bring back but what players do you if you don't bring him back who you -- ago and Jarrod Saltalamacchia is a classy example this. Ruiz signs OK he's off. McCann -- I'm gonna wait three weeks can you wait three weeks if you're the Red Sox you like McKay and McCain you wait three weeks to see if he's gonna drop down the level the. You want and yet that's always the fascinating game of chicken figuring out the vote timing that works in terms of these signings it was a real interest in game for the Red Sox. To be in charge of last year they when they had that entire period of basically two months to prep. Or opt for the office Jackson. Institute in World Series and right exactly bright -- they didn't have that same planning time but last year they were able to say. OK the guys like me can and like -- are the ones who you're probably going to want to move on but the fastest. You typically see the best bargains available in January but we're not in the position to wait out. All of our all of those guys are prepared we talked to David Ross about last week and of those. Those those guys and the what the reasons we've also. Brought this up as the offseason has unfolded I think -- the reasons why you haven't seen those type of signings because. Those players don't wanna be the guys losing out on the money. Marlon Byrd made more money than he thought he was gonna make. Don't ends you know and Jason Vargas just came just got a four year deal today for 32 million bucks and that nobody knows nobody has gotten a deal yet. Dating back to our good friend Tim Lincecum nobody has gotten a deal yet where you says while he's usually -- Now every deal so I guess what what exception will be Josh Johnson who took a discount -- pitch and agree pitcher that you have by it. We were always a really going to be a bidding war for Josh Johnson because it would have been able to get -- matters or -- her -- It it -- here or is that kind of the key piece there -- -- well it's like I know the Red Sox are entrusted in him in the Jose -- trade. N news by how that he stink this year and not only did -- state and we watched him pitch a couple times this birdie on easy watch him -- I agree we have good for him. Perfect place the one year deal -- he ERA champ a couple of years yeah right. Yeah yeah I mean he had been one of the dominant young starters in the major leagues just a couple of years ago out Cisco some of these calls at literally we've started the conversation we've talked a little bit about catcher -- -- in Randolph he's gonna keep ago how you doing -- HL tonight bill. My thing -- -- dominant so maybe you guys can clarify this in the the baseball back for -- forty plus years here. All the Saltalamacchia. Switch hitting -- Apollo forty -- and watched it in the system it's improved each year. The socked it to actually want to year old Lady Gaga probably two years away Christian pastors and breaks my -- -- -- I like that basket to cut defense and I -- -- only the whole package your sweetheart but it saying I mean David Ross had a tremendous job but. He had a concussion. You know on the back nine. To me Saltalamacchia. And no brainer on truly say twelve the year 24 million to two -- and wait for the two young guy to get here. I almost. All the debris crashed that they heard that they were interested in released through we just 3536. No sense whatsoever about is are the absolute back nine. The -- -- apparently try to go to war and to you on some things that got a guy great Kia. -- I don't see that -- the city. It's a pretty good play -- -- you beat the best record date we are okay at best defensive catcher in the world yeah. The -- at bat the ball to get the guys -- -- strayed. Neil well what were the best but it could trade at the Opel blocked I don't get someone explain to me. And I can keep knocking at 141000004. Year but why why they just bring it Saltalamacchia back. Well Lou -- thanks for the call and you are low low you really aren't alone this is a a conversational Lotta people are having an an opinion a lot of people out by -- where what will try to do we're gonna try to explain this to you. Alex you're gonna go first. Starting -- of the Ruiz conversation. Why Ruiz 34 going to be 35. Was he preferred over garlic carrots Altamont. Well the couple things first of all I think that it's become pretty clear for some of the reasons that -- just mentioned that two years is the sweet spot for what the Red Sox want it to. In terms of a contract would be. Up and naturally and so they like the idea of reason to yours -- this is something that Ruiz was willing to talk about. Whereas Saltalamacchia is made pretty clear that he wants to get three or four years which makes agree to a sense but. They think that Vazquez is going to be ready is going to be Major League ready. By 2015 if not before they think that's why -- there's a very good chance that he's mentally ready by 2016 if not before. In so your ideal scenario is probably -- two year contract which may be transition. To Vazquez right. You gotta get a year beyond Ross because you're not we're we target of these young characters who reckon this drop. Vasquez in there and say hey you know what you're the everyday -- he's still need another guy. Precisely and I think that there was in so I think it on the right two year deal they'll be thrilled that Saltalamacchia back. But they have a finite amount of resources this off season. Only so much that they can spend on. There -- various position -- vacancies and so the idea of a quote unquote overpaid it's significant you know it's if an -- means ten inquiries when you think he's worth eight. Then that's. Easier more easily accommodated then. Well for Saltalamacchia when you think he's worked then you -- -- -- the very units explained them very well it up and Ruiz is a really good defense of all that's the thing -- has less you would be the exactly what they what they were targeting last offseason. As a guy coming up a pilot a year -- with a good career up in record. Right now you're buying high on Saltalamacchia. And and and Lou I think -- eludes all alone in thinking this why not only is is Ruiz 34 or 35 but oh yes and head while you're looking at last year's numbers he go before that. He had no PS of over 900 these east of -- had been a pretty good offensive player good on based on this go to -- Norway bread and died Saturday. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Yeah I mean we don't know and about it and want it actually get. And -- -- you -- this is there a whale in your car. Probably -- once again. -- aren't we await word talk amongst yourselves. Brandon yet the blue values are -- of the well the whale pod for pod of whales got us a bit of the Bluetooth salesman says he's -- Zeljko whale. If we did nothing else bread and we know that -- recall that you made every who had won had wanted to say what we just said. When you have -- Bluetooth on which is the salvage a whale in your car. So anyway eco ahead -- Ready you know they're up look at -- I didn't go ahead. All right I don't get that are not -- 35 is not that we require. Eat at feet. Medal but obviously good and why not quite up some sort of looked un where. Meadowbrook and then. I can't let beat -- at shop at bat against the mighty. Borrow and I think that's actually really -- as a golfer adjusted by Brandon in the Red Sox really wanted to Obey the Red Sox had a Chavez's basically they're they're ideal profile of a guy to -- last year before they added -- they really wanted to they were really hoping that they can talk with him. About being the left handed option for first base third base. At a time when it looked like they were going to be bright and -- positions. A guy who's capable defensively at both corners. They did not end up being able he decided that he wanted to stay in Arizona. I'm not sure whether or not -- to find his geographical proclivities this. Yes hi I was just have to say the exact same thing the geographic book proclivities absolutely but I I think that with Chavez. It also speaks to you gonna need some depth on the left side the infield. A lot of that will be defined as Stephen Drew -- right and do there but we cannot discount that they are gonna need some depth on the left side of the infield. Let's get another call before we get the break Keith in Bedford how you doing today Keith he tells ago one. Hey rob are yet to talk. By Alex black eyed view you put the cap situation in a very very cool I mean not cool but. To -- civic light yet. Com. I don't know I I I hate I think that as I've said before I think that the catchers turning into a deep defensive position. And you really shouldn't be asked and how much. I don't know getting forty. Doubles is bad but. You really need some music in college game thinking content throw runners out at least now on that. You know and I think that though we're going to kind of a sea change. Here where the catcher is going to be. More. Evaluated on his defense -- skill. -- on its offensive. He had -- -- I don't disagree with -- and -- if we if you have not see -- ICI I do disagree with you in some respects. But if you haven't seen Christian baskets play. This is what things -- when you watch these four games at Fort Myers this year. One of the the greatest things to watch Christian baskets playing defense and he opened a lot of eyes with his performance in Major League camp last year. I've -- -- literally yelled out. When Christian Vasquez threw a run out he screamed. I didn't see you don't play all right you he had a one point 77 pop time for first. Which is the best that'd be -- ever been seen by a number of people wanted to continue to catching conversation and we're gonna get also. Into this trade. That happened last night Prince Fielder Ian Kinsler trade. It's a conversation we're also gonna continue. Going forward with Dave magazine gave magazine. The former hitting coach for the Red Sox hurt hitting coach -- the Texas Rangers he's gonna -- a little bit later with talk about the -- can join the conversation 617. 7797937. This is the hot stove show I'm rob Bradford that's Alex spear. This keep it going right after this. -- -- -- I'm still show Alex. Woo hoo -- you can give I am -- Sean Casey and you'll. -- out of line that's Alex via rob Bradford WEEI. Dot com the -- Obama's. Are both from that same organization were talking all things -- -- first segment we talked a lot about the catching situation. What else and we talked about we talked of how. Little bit about Eric Chavez tour oh by the way -- to anyone with a 330 to -- the imports of the mark there you know to play first base third base that. And I should also mention we mentioned 86 days. Too -- to go to. The place where it's -- beautiful or dreams happen where dreams happen the beaches of Fort Myers. In Santo. Out on -- say and activities sponsored show. It is a great place we know many a person who vacation I'd but he is a Fort Myers and while it's absolutely great you Norah go from the winter meetings what meetings -- a couple days now. Not a couple the couple -- us enough -- -- Thanksgiving Day couple weeks. I'm going from there. To the David Ortiz celebrity golf term out and I tell you -- if people want to partake in a great cause. David Ortiz celebrity golf tournament -- auction items next week. And it is look it up on line it's worth the Google. -- -- -- Google Earth or Google David Ortiz golf terminated the great day but it's also -- A great rate cuts is get back into it out if you enjoy the conversation. 61777979837. Or the eighteenth he text line 37937. Affected taxi use. -- I was very pleased artery -- and I I assume that's for use this for this one was gratifying to hear. From the to a seven echoed your proclivity for this thing this is unparalleled. I am flattered by that policy topic. I've I was dismissed. Unless it was for me. Of course we've another tax from the 603 stolen bases mean needless. Catchers need. That's why's that I was -- on board but not current on board with the with key statement that it's all about defense for catching because really -- honest you make the money still -- in the boss. Apart and but the Red Sox are are very much mindful of the fact that they have to replace everything that Saltalamacchia brought to the table last year. And that included considerable -- from the left side so. He's not an easy guy to replace if they invest in the market -- problem is they just really have this discomfort I think about going beyond two. Years he had it and you can't play him this is -- guy 28 years old a good chance to get. Is coming off the Goodyear's coming off a World Series when winning year he was the he was the regular catcher for this team. So he has his opportunity get the free agency he wants the deal right quite frankly I do. I am a little bit surprised that the Red Sox have been as as hesitant as they have been with him on three years and here's why. So your ideal scenario is that you have. Next year you're the everyday -- -- the lead everyday the lead dog in front of David Ross the following year you want a guy is going to be the lead dog probably integrating Christian Vazquez. And then the following year you wanna have a stable transition in which you know in which one of the prospects and to take over as the lead dog. With that with you know maybe a Saltalamacchia. Being the -- guy you know you know I had gotten out for me I'm I don't think the three years was that it was -- -- It's a tricky one is -- looking that we talked about McCain's gonna what seems seemingly gonna wait for awhile a year but he gets the bureau Navarro is about to play in Uganda into. -- I'm -- a -- your record and AJ Pierzynski government targets on potentially trade for right and again but to me Saltalamacchia is a notch above that. You look at McCann there's false right now Ruiz out of the conversation -- and Saltalamacchia. 61777979837. Should also mention once again Dave -- needing to recruit Texas Rangers. To join us a little bit later and show. Up until then let's get back to the phone calls before we talk about the betrayed -- in Braintree made on. Hey what's up guy how much -- -- -- -- that I know we feel like today. A quick moment it except that. Let's agree notebook. Beyond the game yes -- new book op also bought gas -- -- responding to don't talk about the appropriate in -- I didn't. But what was going on -- yeah it was funny -- you -- that. Well you don't -- right now. Eight I wanna pay at the Dutch okay now you have the reserve clause that would act and that's. All you're gonna go back to witnesses that focus on semi five season Peter -- great book by. Remember you go backed government when the rats I start again to free agency Bill Campbell. Bill Campbell was the big deal he was out poses a guy might Taurus. Jack and a Campbell they you know they signed him hero is probably closer at the time. They had him throw about 2000 innings in relief after next year and he was never held somewhere somewhere Mikey out of his life in Las Vegas right now. Indeed stopped abstract -- out of him and listening got used to -- this sort of an hour -- I don't doubt he had not a great look -- -- it's a great book I mean that that Jason Steinbrenner right back and neck and neck neck and act absolutely six point 7779. 7937. To join the conversation. But Alex before the break we've said -- -- talk about the trade happened last night. By far the biggest thing is happening in the us he -- to -- this this this is basically the Toronto Blue Jays Florida mar are my site Miami Marlins. Trade of a year ago. That's that's where this. Went in terms of defining. The offseason at this point -- that's right around the same time active point right now -- I was a little bit before Thanksgiving last year and it was the head turner. Did people did not see coming with just huge names involved except that the big difference here is that worth that was a shameless payroll -- by the Marlins. Even though they got. Great young talent back it was in -- two -- out and I know Jerry -- and knows baseball -- as he clearly identified that Jeremy diesel bakers going to be MVP of the reds right right and it was a great point being mad at -- he was apoplectic about this trade saying how did the Texas ever you mr. -- taking on Prince Fielder. But I think maybe you and I have a little bit different view of it because number one. The stock go overboard deacons are in. And yes Prince Fielder is paid way too much money we understand that which is why the Rangers have a subsidized -- -- -- yet exactly stop oh. So where do you fall on this -- who was there a winner was -- lose or was it a tie. Where do you fall on. I think that it's a good trade for both sides because it allows them to have more efficient rosters where they're able to use their players who were supposed to be in certain positions. In those positions. I really like him from the Rangers standpoint because. Basically you know -- now address an area of kind of considerable need with regards to fielder. And and then they have so they have the other basically one million dollars a year. And this young potential superstar Dirks and broke -- who I think is spectacular -- in the futures game. Think the world of -- -- yet he's he's is in a boat and he's 500000 bucks you have to got you have really potentially. -- -- production at two positions for twenty million dollars. That puts the Rangers in great shape whereas otherwise they were shaping up as having -- to have Kinsler. It fifteen million dollars and undefined role as utility player may be getting 400 at bats for pro far plus needing to find someone may give Mike Mike Napoli on the free agent market. That's gonna cost you more than ten million bucks. I think the Rangers did a great thing preserve their flexibility for the offseason and they got that that they got people in in the in the spot they're supposed to be -- Tiger same thing Miguel Cabrera not a third baseman right so don't know. Pretty early -- and Didier Jed through just long enough news this give dispute that. And maybe too long maybe they're made off tiger did the injury you know the -- last year it's not fair and I think that's what. I think that's that's what a lot of people are basic. This whole conversation on his the last impression that we had Donnelly from Prince Fielder but from Cabrera and say -- of course you know he could play third -- well he played OK for one night was bad he was horrible well the he was horrible. Operate every every defensive metric that -- legends and -- he says that he was almost historically bad at other guys he he played well enough to play. The reason why Jhonny Peralta shows up as an above -- right he he stood. He would not followed is baseball standings they'll be that's a great job myth out there is this where I draw the line that's where my jumping -- point you play well enough to play there that's politics right now at a very -- is not die while standing at the position good job but so the great thing about this -- wrote about it today wise how it affects the Red Sox because there at least two ways where you think that this is. Really directly affecting the -- like one short term one long arms it's a short term one is the Mike Napoli mark. Yes yes I mean so. You buy into that is what chart of -- yeah right I I think that I I believe I had heard from I heard from one not from one baseball person today. That Prince Fielder went to Texas on the condition that he would play first base yes. Not DH there. And so that means. All of a sudden Mike Napoli what do whose. Whatever -- and Mike -- does not -- DH Mike -- any shouldn't and it would be a waste of its services for him to DH because he's a really good first baseman now defensively. So you you know part of the value Mike Napoli is the fact that he is a good defense the first baseman. In addition to be an up and of course the Rangers don't are no longer a fit and they seemed like. May be the best fit besides the Red Sox for -- brought Brian McCann is still fit for them and so that that's not what we're talking about in terms of affecting the Red Sox. Because you still threats are gonna get Brian McCann -- still gonna he's still gonna have the fall past the Yankees in the rain trees I personally. Don't -- happening. By that this trade does not affect how the Rangers in my mind -- our viewing Brian McCann. No I I think not a penny thing again for the reasons that I stated above they've paid their payroll lot more efficient and I think that they got. The -- who say they got more wiggle room financial wiggle room. -- they had before so I think that the Rangers are in better shape this time again and that leads us to and we talked about short term effect on the Red Sox the Napoli situation you still have. Actually Seattle may -- Colorado. Baltimore's been thrown in there still you have to look at it you have to think that the Red Sox the -- fit. And will Seattle's all over the place Seattle. I think has a lot of options in terms of getting bats everyone talks about -- buried. They may give thanks to bring back Kendry Morales. You have the Italians gave in on to you have a lot of options there. To me -- still his best fit right now is probably the -- And the Red -- best for the first began prior with him to -- absolutely NN the long term affect the straight might happen which isn't potentially give the Red -- Is one of the reasons that the tigers did this trade was to free up some money freed up 76 million dollar -- -- right so they get the 76 billion dollars why do they wanna do that while they have to Reese saw manufactures her. Max -- is going to be a free agent after this year. He along with Jon Lester on the going to be right now that two top potential free agents after next year so. By the tigers getting this money. And potentially being able to lock up Max Scherzer before. Next year -- the Red Sox don't do -- Lester Lester it's the market. Far -- away. The pitcher on the open market ready to just get enormous law. And the tigers don't shy away from setting toppled them from doing top of market extensions with guys were already in recent medical tourism is a Boris -- jurors -- as a Boras guy and so if -- signs. Even if you retain Lester it's -- gonna have to be for a deal that looks very similar to that which serves our. Box up so it may actually there there's at least a chance that it could Alter the timetable for how the Red Sox look into negotiating with Lester because to me. I thought that they would wait. Until spring training. Try to sign him next year their -- as president of utilizing their plan is that is put you wonder if they might even if if they might be forced to think about getting out in front of -- an extension. It would make a lot of sense I think and -- it they have a lot to do we understand that we always hear that -- have a lot to do that Erica worry about Jon Lester. But for the reasons you just said. And I think that I think that's important. As we're talking about free agency I think that it's worth mentioning we're getting a couple of texts and did. Did -- really -- of the brilliant minds in the game and one of the great people in the game Michael Weiner the MLB players' association. President for a for a number of years has apparently passed away he had been. Fighting brain cancer for for a number of years and he'd been he and X this is this is what I'm just seeing on the text like nine dollars -- -- it's all over Twitter as well and I have not intent he had now as it is an extraordinary individual someone who. Who the opportunity to engagement conversation was always illuminating. Someone who really. Loved the game and loves the players in the game and I think that. He did a lot of good for the shape of negotiations between owners and between the players association. Over the last few years so Michael -- was a wonderful voice in the game animals to be. At a guy who who was working right up until the end he knew this road he was going down for some time. By he was working right up until the end he was a presence in baseball right up until the end in case the of people -- understand. Who he was. He was guy maybe for the Red Sox in Dave Ortiz at a press conference. In. New York 10092009. He was the one sitting right next to -- enormous presence in the game mark candles in his family. Is so right after this break Alex we talked about the trade. We talked about -- Prince Fielder we talked about being Kinsler we talked about where Texas Rangers stand in the free agent market a great guy to talk about all this way -- is former Red Sox hitting coach Dave Magid and and current rangers' current rangers' hitting coach Dave Magid and he's going to be -- this right activists. Are writes I don't know that's Dave mega teams. But it could be -- you know why. On the hot stove show right now. Right now Alex with the myself rob Bradford Alex spear. Dave -- in joins us. Dave I don't I don't know that that's good enough beeps on Fareed but I know. I don't know if it's a good thing -- introduced just by saying there under pressure -- but it. I'm I'm like in the the insinuate. There at all but you know that we we hold -- -- the high expectations it when you come through. Thanks for joining us -- hitting coach for Texas Rangers obviously the great great things here for the Boston Red Sox. Dave I don't. I'm I'm doing pretty good. Really excited about the trade that you know it's unfortunate to lose the garlic like Ian had a lot of fun -- the last period he's a real pro. You he's a real team leader. But on the other on the other hand we've got a pretty good word -- so it forces. So we -- dug their heels I think in his conference call last night talked about. How the organization was OK. With how Prince Fielder was viewed going Ford yeah a little bit of a down year at a tough time in the post season. Did you get a chance to look at Prince Fielder. Diagnose him at all look at him before or during since the trade and have yet get a chance to talk to him at all. -- on all counts. Other than what I saw in the postseason. And you know played against during the season -- over the last few years. I've always been a big fan of princes. You know to say he had an -- year so that twenty homers and over and over -- hundred. I'll take that any day obviously he's. You know he would be troubled little part of the year. But. I think in the end but the majority -- -- that place. It is interesting -- because I was I was thinking back to your time in Boston it seems a natural thing for us do that as we as we talk about you -- You dealt with David Ortiz in the two years that were quote unquote down years for him in 20082009. When you're trying to identify. When you're trying to identify is slugger who's had a bad year vs one who's in the state of decline what do you look for is the indicators. Well the first -- I have to do is. Familiarize myself with what he was zone it's when he was court ruling while -- -- -- in Milwaukee is ferocious in Detroit. And then compare that -- and it's just as simple -- Looking at the video and doing some side by side -- as any differences. Talking that. I think that. That the the biggest thing you have to do because you've got to get trying to get inside it maybe -- -- the metal that was bothering him maybe he had an injury maybe. The thought process was not the same. But the company with a combination be looking at videos speak and now. And actually speaking out of players at home play. Talking to our scouts. Professional scouts -- all play a lot them were victories while we've made the trade. In. Gordon Ford with a with a plan and trying to get a better I think it it you know it is its price going to be a lot like. -- Beltre when he came after being in Seattle for. You know for those years. And that's exactly how -- about it -- talked in the offseason and try to get. -- don't know what he was thinking Natalie what he felt what the problem was. And then combine that we're looking at the video and -- discount and together -- -- -- it was pretty good plan. Dave Barry hitting coach of the Texas ranger joins us on the hot stove show up there as far as the -- is Alex follow up a good point about Ortiz and I thought that you're gonna say. All the Ortiz was the perfect example of helping bring a guy back the levels that you expect him to be. But Beltre if you think is it may be a better example this case. Yet they get ticket and I think when David. I guess you could say hit rock bottom I mean he would he would. You know and -- twenties that one year ranked. You know home runs were down he went a long period how about in the home runner on in the season and I don't you know I don't see -- Being -- that's for balance David was not there were a lot of reasons for -- being downward was at the injuries the list. Contract he was worried about. You know hopefully. From everything that I understand that you know pretty healthy he certainly doesn't have to worry about a contract. He's there all the data was when when when -- scored -- what he was going through. -- there -- a lot of doubters and David I mean with David it was to me it was a different situation. I guess it's worth following up like on and on two levels about David since you did get a chance to work with him so closely for so many years. Did you have did you wonder whether or not he was going to be able to pull himself out of that because it was you know it followed a wrist injury no less. And what is it as a hitting coach someone who is such meticulous and precise. Has such a great knowledge base about the art of hitting. What's it like to see David Ortiz. Doing the sorts of things that he does is it 37 year old in the post season this year. Well it's pretty remarkable. I never lost confidence in David. Now that being said. The players got to have confidence and I think for the most part davis' -- -- -- you're gonna get out of that. But there comes a time where you can you can you can start doubting yourself you start wondering if you're done. You know maybe maybe -- don't have anymore. And more good years left in me but. It was really. Trying to keep David upbeat. Told not to worry about the out the outside voices and and the people that were. Pretty much haters and were happy. That he was in the position that he was. In distress stay positive with them yeah there were some mechanical things that we follow what he had to get better. And he did get better at that. But a lot of that was battle with David to fight demons. You know. Trying to you know turn the TV off ramp up some look at -- the Internet what people are saying about him. I think what he kind of started focusing more on on the one on one relations between being you know -- The other coaches I think that's when he turned the corner and see what he's doing now on me it felt -- a lot of fun watch the World Series of me. It was it was a little painful being held there for six years but. It was nice to see him do -- and you get that recognition that and so deserves. You know you tired of being there for six years and that six year was. Really the only year that that he wasn't able exe cute in -- amongst the elite in the in the league in terms of seeing a lot of pitches. And and you you go to Texas in Europe once again your team is in the upper Echelon in terms of seeing a lot of pitches I know that's the philosophy that you have. When you looked at this Red Sox team from afar if you look at the team that you had the year before wasn't just a matter of the wrong guys and they brought in the right guys to exude it. Well I think he's got to look at that our team in 2012. As you know all the guys we got hurt. All the young kids get called up from -- plain plain. And then some of those guys got hurt and then we went three people on the depth chart and you know they get the best they could. You know I think get a came a point where it was unfair. For me -- go up to. -- -- -- -- Mike Kabila's that are. You know some of the guys that got called up -- -- you know telling Syria output as you know go there -- currency for -- pitches and really he's he's got it's not a real good breaking ball hitter. He's a guy that's always been very aggressive and you know it is up. Telecast that finally get a chance to play every day. To go completely away from what he's always done his whole career in the minor league. And hey you've got to be like this now. And so we we tried to do. I guess we try to take the port that we have. And try and make them the best that they could be in you know we ended up and he says -- set the Cleveland scored in. You know we didn't have a lot of -- at the plate but I think that was more. The call that was part to all the guys who got hurt and and then happens. Go a little. Bit on the depth chart and using -- as part of were expected to be physically. Right well Dave thanks so much for joining us once again it's always good to talk to you always the best and an exciting time in Texas enjoy having -- this you have a new gift under the Christmas tree yeah. We're we're very excited about it and look forward to talk to Princeton. Get inside that head. All right thanks Dave thanks for goodness thank thanks -- -- date meg you're hitting coach with Texas Rangers another hot stove show complete Alex great job Carter responded to the pressure exceptionally -- -- it -- had it rough really was like a lightning round Alex spear out rob Bradford the ball the W -- dot com will be back Thanksgiving night. Thanksgiving night will be back next week I don't care about holidays hot stove show will be back we give thanks for the hot stove so -- enjoys a lot. Probably will happen next week so come -- back when this next Thursday.