Nov 14, 2013|
Curt Schilling joined the show to discuss the Sox offseason plans. He said that Jacoby Ellsbury is likely gone.
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And joining us on the AT&T hotline AT&T is the Nash nation's fastest now the most reliable -- LTE network. Former Red Sox pitcher Curt Schilling -- -- on. -- Very good doing great I I know you have expressed in the past year appreciation for the -- performances and and skills of both Terry Francona. And John Ferrell did you have a preference between the two for manager of the year. You know I it was hard it really about the American League when he was was incredibly talented but I get up -- two guys that had phenomenal seasons. I think the hardest part and I'm not really sure why it is that all the awards are locked in you know. At the end of the season so for some -- the playoffs in the post season don't count and I'm not really sure why. We think about it. But. I thought into one of them could have won it I thought there was a lot of you know like I think fit the job that the people it was amazing -- Girardi Melvin. Now and I think there are some just some amazing -- and that by some some really good marriages and American League mr. Occurred if you had to guess we note chart and has some cash and now he's executive of the year he's done an amazing job. This season if you had to guess is he gonna stick -- was guns in the short term contract and be disciplined this offseason will he get jiggy and -- all feel on us and make a big splash kind of deal. And it depends -- There's a lot of early -- here but you know their their customs an awful lot of ways so. Thought I think. If that if people out to do with being the baseball ops people should be. Allowed to do and and and there's -- -- parents from people that shouldn't be preparing. I think he'll stick for the most part they'll stick to create documents you know every year. You know 240 million dollar deal on this disorganization. And rightly so army. We are doing with all your PSP and we're talking about this -- apartment last couple years. It's like if you 200 million dollars. Nice that you -- have a player for eight years and you could go back over the last 25 years and give money to a player. There's literally almost he may need to work three guys. In the history the last point argues that would have played to their contract began he can't do it. -- it there's no logic to it I understand I get it seems do that yeah I think you're gonna see some fiscal insanity this winner. Because the TV on the TV money is just ridiculous and you're gonna see some teams spending some insane amount of money on players. You know thirteen million with a number last -- to limit their three year 39 million like everybody's fighting for. I think that members -- jumpers here again and interacting. And part of the didn't -- -- gonna see a potential 300 million dollar deal. Yeah me that -- that Stephen Drew. I think could -- it could be a startled probably -- dork her up in Evernote video. A liar almost I bring this up and talk about western that you had some your best years at 34 on when you started with Arizona but you talk about the long term deals Red Sox won't sign. Less so they pick up the option. But he's gonna be guy occurred if he is another good year this year in his thirties he's probably going to be looking 67 years honored 5060 million the Red Sox are gonna do -- No no I can't imagine it would now and I don't think they're I don't think you're gonna see. I don't think you'll see any team other than probably aren't the first off turn around and you have there are homegrown player six or seven or eight years for her especially women. And I don't -- are really not from this team anyway -- it -- -- you saw what happened when they try to go down that and I think -- You know that that it's going to be -- in their mind as long as these guys are still making decisions here's that the nightmare that they were under in the fact that there won't be a doctor's. -- there -- two or three years -- to take also hours of bought two players. It's certainly sounds like. The EU like us don't think there's any way in the world Jacoby Ellsbury is back here. Oh no no no no and I think -- -- pretty much guarantees that I mean. If you look at his history. And what he's done there I think it would be exceptions -- -- -- points like Carlos and some other guys -- yet. Massive massive deal and when you look at the amount of money available for the -- now. You're going to see some potential players in the market verticals that might not have been two years ago. Now I think you're gonna see the Mets do some significant spending this quarter. Although they're gonna do it with the thought that that. Now they're number one that are we will beat that -- here. And it's going to be interesting it's it's it's funny because now I'm one of those guys. That I used -- not like you know the disgruntled I bet alone though it could come onto it and it it's all caught -- you look at the contract I I think like. I looked at them and talk -- on the part of climactic I wonder what -- jobs and help -- Randy Johnson in his prime would have gotten. As a group and in the market. But now that it's it's. The -- -- over the span now and and that you can being like Tampa you can Buick Open that he can be to some Democrats are now and and not get carried away with the purse strings. You can do because there's all that money you look at that seems like the -- deport all the money to their player development system is built to update the then the other team operate -- people want to Specter for years. -- -- -- -- They have to wait they've played this new system to Petit. They'll pick that they have if you -- -- -- -- baseball people they have probably 45 guys should have been a big league last year that they did not bring up. Anomaly stacked in the minor -- in and I think political we're gonna see a team that worked this new system to the -- to the scene and they're gonna be run out some some rookie of the year candidate. All right we know you can never have too much starting pitching but the fact is the Red Sox have too much starting pitching after all healthy. If they make a deal. These are don't you can't carry out a money pit stop it and you don't ever trade from that you. Perspective he can't mention I remember I don't remember it was two or three years ago when we make -- spring training with -- and Wakefield are like seven starters. And they are contemplating going to a six man rotation. You -- what happened at the end of that season. Are trying to trade for Bruce -- To make a start on the final -- never ever ever plays out that way. What is in the head and I I I think it's every year with its its amazing to me go to camp and then they'll be wanted to see Obama got they've got a surplus of pitching. -- and the people nobody has too much pitching ever. So you don't think -- deal a starter. Not -- want to do well are actually I don't know I think it would -- I think they will. I don't know what I did get -- do will be immortal spring training perpetual thing. Like Dempster. I mean there would like to deal them start assuming makes all of. I think that they realized the married you know I think everybody realized that you you can't be a contact guy in -- in the AL much what Bailey's and and you know I -- the challenge though is is. From everything I saw heard and guys that talked to discuss I was in an enormous part of that clubhouse and I didn't provide nobody in this when I played it that's the kind of guy. He brings a lot to the table from a called -- perspective -- I know first Lieberman traditions that drives them nuts but that is a big deal and the insult. If you know they don't want him out there in my interest particularly your Bible and you'll probably okay. If he's gonna be a three and have I think your problems. You said that Kirk that you don't think did give -- 67 year deal -- forty million to Jon Lester he's got one year left. You think chaired that has the stones to deal Jon Lester. The deal I don't know now I don't think so because I think. They're they're legitimately planning on winning another World Series and and I I would I would there's about five of those for those maybe at any one time in the game. You have the guy you can hit the ball because. If you look at the -- this season and it always plays out this way and I I I I got the C one of the most any examples of this for almost a decade in Atlanta. You can you can build the team to withstand that 162 game schedule and win 9702. Games it can stay healthy and you watch the parade through the ninety's that's what they did. But -- October rolls around they had John Smoltz. And and and it all seemed early on that it was never -- pitching game one you have to give one guy now and I I don't know that you can get. True value back for him. You just don't you know that the frustrating I think for fans. I think the Red Sox are very comparable letting these guys walk in particular text -- -- people like good about the player development system. There's a few years ago you wrote in your blog about about porous and at the when. Pedro Alvarez signed that deal with Pittsburgh -- -- the show talking about Boris you know withdrew and with. Ellsbury how did you view abortion when you were player -- look at them now. Couldn't stand I thought that it -- it. This is one of those things where I think hindsight has given me over the from perspective but I thought it and have thought that type. And in 2000 my eyesight -- mightn't have actually became. My own -- for the final 89 years in my career. Agents are in my mind we're the only thing the only people in the game the -- never gave anything back. Now listen I'm looking back on it and I ended up playing with a lot of guys that that including JD and Jason Varitek to report clients. I have never heard a player that was our former -- current client. Have anything to say but amazing. Things about our ports and I don't know -- so I everything I did was based on what I heard and read. They can't talk to players they swear that he is the ultimate. Died in embedded in the they've got to meet carries all the way that we I talked to Jason Koppel part about it is like I I didn't like him are really I'd like to things -- said it. You know if you listen to the big -- at the winter meeting yesterday. I don't know if you saw. That -- the comments that he made but if you read the comments that he made it clear that he practiced this interview or at least thirty days before. He's not that witty and everything Australian constructed. But are we not tired of -- -- going -- saying there's no waste -- ports is gonna get this guy X amount and hit that -- twice that amount. Because it every year so he's obviously the best in the business so what. Have they all -- on my feeling is. They leave -- the team there on the technical. And I don't so Bogart's is that it's -- -- sports guys it's old Bradley. In six years five years ago as -- Bogart's he's gone. Well that's what you have to put hate you have to hope the player has some some semblance of of and -- -- make -- decision -- don't because it if you learn nothing else you wrap those guys up early. You get those guys included Dustin Pedroia deal. You get these guys will you buy out in note two to three years of arbitration in your free agency in the first two years or pretty or something like that the only way. You're gonna get it up or plant by the six years within reason. An end right now everybody has the money to do that so. You know that that the others who have the rest I mean I believe dental work is going to be an extremely help that man. An incredibly talented player. I also think Jackie Bradley is going to be a pretty good player as well bit but I mean -- member of the hype around him and spring training. And then in the game point -- the police some credit for some guys. Well don't you think Bradley Center fielder and opening day you do agree with mayor. I think that's the plan. I mean did he do anything in Tripoli to make you feel like he was of the lead out there -- -- -- -- for a while chipping club last year. In the minors he he did but not in the majors. And exactly so so looked around the market this winner. And and and other than Jacobi who's out there in -- UEU. It's not that hard I think a lot of time -- look and think like -- GM if you if you're being objective you know in in your view. You spend the people's money which you do look a little bit of -- because if you look at our thoughts are not there we go on spent 250 million dollars player. So they're sort of fuel or other than Jackie Bradley that they can bring and that's coming -- -- try to look at the picture. Went further assess what what some of the looked over and no -- will -- another estimated that will just. You don't supplemented every winner so this group a market. You are all World Series championship in 2004 was one of the great moments in red -- in in new England sports history. But it wasn't improbable you had a good team and you guys did what -- would everything you needed to do when you won a championship. I said that this World Series championship and the 2001 patriots. Super Bowl championship. Where the most improbable sports wins I can remember. Now I just I disagree wholeheartedly I mean if you look at that semen and hope for you got to remember every -- popular bill baseball with the Yankees. And an -- became improbable the day we lost ninety day. There ain't gonna -- -- I was I was Watson is here with a lot of interest obviously. With with the guys that I know and and talk to McDonald's I'm all your discount on the guys. And and there are so there's part of the human part of me at the end of this where I was kind of taken while you know they went to take away. What we did it it's gonna it's gonna make what we -- game last night at the end. I was so excited for them because of how they did what happened and I realized nothing more change would happen to know for they'll never be another role for. And and coming back the way we came to Rio and and doing it the way we win in those eight straight games that I mean that was as improbable a scenario that I've ever been put it in ever been involved in. That's the most improbable for different reasons. But it you know like seven spring training and then a lot of people were were kind of well like they always do right -- all right say -- -- our development wasn't a good bit here. I couldn't break trying to block party. Because it. With with -- pick up you have questions around there they're -- with Baltimore your questions around -- they have the top of the rotation pitching with the with the vehicle hit. With the Yankees that would help and with the blue jays while those guys fit into the mix I -- the Red Sox got a lot harder because. They can but it looked like they can pitch well and they look then offensively they might be able to fit the team that have both of those things happen. And until the they'll -- -- the appointment of economic and run away with anything. But. You can kind of see if everything went right now that's the thing that doesn't make it easy everything had to go right down the -- made -- to go right. And so it was an amazing story brought a lot of good reason nothing bad had happened for this to happen to them. And and -- barrel. I don't even know what I mean. I don't know we've -- -- we talked about this sort of like I told you I think he's the most vocal but -- government as well. -- it where any job in the end. I thought that it'd ESPN and they look at me like -- -- -- -- what makes this guy took it -- that you better around him you understand. Just what he brings to the table and it's a unique skills that I think you're -- that probably. The biggest thing you've Pomeroy it -- and I'm excited about there is no fear that he ever menaces a team of players that get complacent. But take advantage that do the things that happened. As the militaries run here that that I can't ever doubt them. That scenario happen I'll tell you this much about him that it I thought he got I thought he did some things in -- post is from McCain has respected that were not good. But there are some situations he got -- managed but I also think he's sort of learn. Final question before we let you go on this we'll take -- little far afield there's a lot of stuff out there in the sports world right now. Dolphin's story especially about locker room atmosphere and hazing and things like that in and you were involved with. I'm sure situation about the course. And and but but I'm curious now -- York coaching young people now you're you're out there with your daughter's softball team in your in your coaching young people. Has it cost you to look differently at some of the things that went on in locker rooms in the past with you and and now saying I don't know that was the the right way to do things then. -- -- was never the right way to do things ever it never will be. At the bit that -- well Mr. Big difference between professional athletes and amateurs. From club's perspective. Certainly I would tell you there's two places that I've been in my lifetime where. The locker room mentality and the jocular hoping that happened. Are accepted common practice and out of the locker room. And in in a bitter war and I I I've I have had to have the honor of being involved and I I was thinking about this you there's a discussion about the other night and and there were being listened. I can't tell you how many times. You know the public won't completely -- you know -- people and we just oh my god. Every single day. -- ultimately you're an example he. You've got to see what Dustin Pedroia -- publicly on the field. How when his mouth moved who's generally work because without coming out of that kind of Christmas Carol. The mentality compared to what happens and across the things that are set to each other and you know what yes there is there absolutely is bullying. I've always accepted it as. That was you have to find the way it is and I'll play the -- that indicate the you have to find a way to to ingratiate yourself and and be a part of this and and the hazing and all the things that happen. The harmless stuff that happened. I don't really got me ready to play out for example in Philadelphia the thing that was said to me as a player to my teammates on the field. I would never have dreamed of -- to -- to my teammates but -- you know what the things that we saw in the locker nothing is off limits in the locker room ever. And and you know why I'm I'm someone who. I didn't come from the south I came from eye opener as honest also. So the racially charged stuff I was never around that is that as an amateur when I went to the professional my first my first reporters improbable. I was blown away by ABC. The stark. Differences in guys that I played with and guys from the south. And and guys from inner city for the middle locker room they've never been together and the light is really awkward it's -- it's an environment. Very few people outside this port could ever survive him. Doesn't make it right does it make it okay that's the way it is so. And that's the way it will always beat because you'll not be allowed to put people in the -- not the police the police that there's an open secret in the world would however allow that. I don't let your softball players haze that's rule number one. No they didn't let them do I have an unbelievably counted. That's been sixteen you've seen this year but. They're so much difference in him and how you -- code complete these things at this level that end and at the W lover but he played well. It's because they're from your neighborhood economic openness saint Mary noticing things. Think about what sports especially -- sports locker rooms now get 25 guys gonna put -- -- 53 guys. And eleven couldn't you got guys from Stanford and guys from Marshall and guys I mean it's amazing to me. The cultural diversity. Not only the great thing. We always appreciate time happy birthday by the way. Productive take care that is a former Red Sox pitcher Curt Schilling now an analyst for ESPN. I somehow had a feeling might have an opinion I I want him to get average oh gosh he brought up eating better and Harold Reynolds there's no arrows -- it seems like is that -- a couple places yeses. I mean everyone's asked how rove is a nice guy he's with animal on as nicely as some trouble be more -- -- brass to address yeah I think you're not. And that they have no tolerance and ESPN analyst Howard Bryant that's OK -- you and what went around one thing he did say tonight. Agree with and I don't know why the Red Sox won't do. Is that they should -- Jon Lester this offseason that would take bald -- I -- that they're not like resigning my initial instinct would be I would stand and applaud I would I would even care with a comeback on that would that way. What I -- I'm Bob trusting China but they don't think about a year ago coming off a lousy sense and in bad attitude I thought you could have got the reigning American League rookie rookie year he's straight up doesn't Wear gloves and what -- you get now for him way more. And what he did we get more volume more when your left yeah you get more but there's only one year left that's a little bit from a team that might want to -- limited market but there's a market and I would just take guts and you would say. And cherry -- and is doing it his way I would I would I think it's for the starter and maybe they can get something. Get nothing for -- against -- they can just unload them. But it is nick a -- appoints a Lackey has a lot of value right now pick -- that Kirk to three years ago John Lackey with two years six released into the left. Has a lot of value when he walked in off the mount it and chanting his name that world as it is still open and there's some moves economic and -- -- wants to make him he's probably feel pressure from a lot of different. Directions but he should deal pitches they would be dealing from strength will take a break we'll get back to -- just couple moments I will say this I have a buzzer -- top of the hour. It will make even Gerry Callahan stand up and applaud.