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What Was the Turning Point for the Red Sox this Season?

Sep 15, 2013|

Rob Bradford thinks the first game/win of the season was the turning point. Butch Stearns thinks the game Dempster hit A-Rod was the game. The guys also discuss the west coast road trip where Lester won a big game against the Giants 7-0. What game do you think was the biggest for the Red Sox this year?

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Sent by -- through your first two down Red Sox up 51 in the good. Played a comeback from. Then retired the side. Presume you could -- a 116. Pitches on the day getting huge ovation. Dave O'Brien on the call Dave O'Brien -- the call again -- jokers think -- Red Sox and the Yankees. 1 of twelve games left to play not embedded in this folks talking baseball in Boston in September. What people feel like I don't know what that means for Robin actively hate each other -- 617779793. -- before we go right back to the calls -- -- you invited me over to plant the bombs. You know I knew you had your family your own commitment. So we weren't we were talking about this in the breaks let's bring it back on the I was looking for. Defining moments in the season or turning points clearly an old war on that Saturday on fox when he arrived. Got his face punched in by Jason Varitek glove that was a turning point clearly. When the Red Sox traded Nomar that was a turning point -- -- seven under baseball after that. This year they've been remarkably consist. I asked to -- it was a turning point in the treatment your manners you know. Yeah Jason -- came on board member triple that first game -- annual like he's not many but be better than many spin -- into an event in the guy's gonna sit out one nothing game against the Yankees on a press conference in the middle club right thumb and you brought up financially wanna let you start -- as far as a turning point in the season you said the first game of the season why. First game of the year. And the reason I have is this is a little bit different turning point but you look at that game if you go back and look at everything about that game. It was -- unfolded exactly like they had planned this team. Would play. The rest of the year -- let's refresh people's memories Jackie Bradley was in the outfield yet Jackie Bradley had the big game so that's one thing that worked out for them. But I'll go to backed everyone remembers that game one of the things he remembers the dome sliding home and then. Firing opt in and say you say. Right remember that. Do you view is viewed very emotional gets up but he pops affairs to be safe -- -- on the game's story yes and here's a quote from Jonny Gomes after that game. I think how you saw it is how we can win a lot of ball games this year it was kind of bear all the air early. How prophetic is that statement after one game of the -- it's an -- wise and you go back to that and it Jonny Gomes -- talk to him in the past about this about. When he got up from that slot looking at the Yankees guys and stay -- what's going on here and there's that intensity is everyone's in the game is how the bullpen unfolded which was supposed to be the way the perfect way that. It was supposed to be back that game -- -- I think pitch in the sixth inning I Lester pitched five innings he struck out seven by the way this in his quote assume these quotes after the game. It's big talking about the wind Lester said it's obviously a lot nicer than the past couple of years. To be on top one game ten nothing instead of going through a whole trip without a win again. Stay the ear Koji looking at the box score right here the pitching for the Red Sox that day it was Lester went five. Koji came in and got a hold pitched one scoreless innings and five pitches. That's that's what I've there's another example what was gonna happen Andrew Miller came in after that Andrew Bailey came in after that you need to to download -- -- -- -- -- up right there is that how that unfolds in regards the bullpen. It was. You got into Miller come -- for the match up. And then you'd need a big out. In the seventh inning. And so the guy everyone thought was gonna pitching the eighth Andrew Bailey comes in I believe strikes out can know with guys on base gets that big out this hour comes and locks down the eighth and then you have I haven and at the end right so. This whole match ups that they played so many times over the course of the year that unfold they way they thought they would. Just well there was so many things about that game that set the tone and I are not -- I'm not idealistic I'm not thinking they beat won that game in that. That led to all these wins. All I'm saying today. Viewers set a tone you do in the first game but yet you also asked what was the other jumping off point I think the West Coast well. I think you and I end up agreeing on this because it you know whether this dated or not it's not again it's not Iraq and -- But the 98. That Ryan Dempster hit Alex Rodriguez the Red Sox that night lost that game unlike the game -- Varitek -- Billy Miller came back he made a good point they won that game. And that was a jumping on point that ignited that team so while I'm not gonna argue here robbed -- demonstrating Iran ignited that team. -- they lost that game when you look at it. That team. Was the end of a ten game stretch where they lost three series in a row they lost three of four in Kansas City they lost two of three in Toronto. And that was the rubber match against the Yankees they now lost to a three against the Yankees they lost seven. Out of ten games since that game. They've gone eighteen and six. On that West Coast trip they took two out of three and -- -- we don't know what they -- to the dodged eighteen and six. Twelve games over 524. Game stretch. Since the night that Ryan Dempster hit Alex Rodriguez to me that's that's a jumping off what do we wanna call. Okay -- let me take it to the next game because I think that -- thing had nothing new Buick they lost the game. I think what you do is go to San Francisco and all the sudden Jon Lester pitched a great game. Right he yelled -- -- Lincecum that seven nothing right so that's what sets you on your way Jon Lester -- you that Kansas City series yes Jon Lester entire second half. What's the one game the heating it to. That Kansas City here's what else -- the governing its Arizona. Our guitars again I designers it's okay gets candidacy right and but. Okay Jon Lester -- -- great against him Cisco they come back the next night upright and bill -- walks in the Beirut that was a one run game in the -- but we're talking at the end of that sixteen out in nineteen games on the road stretch you're talking about going in the West Coast you're talking about playing. Two teams were perceived to be tough -- certainly the Dodgers work and you handled them. So all of that. That to me is what set them I think if I'm not wrong right I think they won every series since then we looked it took two out of three at San Francisco. They took two out of three against the Dodgers. They choke two out of three against the Orioles they swept the White Sox he took two out of three against the tigers they swept the -- I took three out of four New York. They took. Two out of three in Tampa and now they've taken two out of three against the they haven't lost a series deaths. Let's go to the phones let's go to Stephen Rhode Island hi Steve. Yes I did on these odd that BT and six that's that great number I didn't I didn't realize that number but that's fantastic. On this thing that I'm calling about is -- -- look at practices saying you're two guys are kind of some of my favorite on the station. But please. You can't and don't promote this. One on it and went. -- think Carson -- oversee the minded I'm sorry about not just the Indian remember eleven. Or people were talking about in spring training. Trapping others are Steve that that's what Josh speak amounts that I wanted to be part of a 120 -- more talk about best you've ever spring training we're talking about twelve games to go -- at the -- I understand I understand but it just. It's not personally because to me it does -- mean many things. Don't immunity. Because I didn't know I mean we're it'll all look at the numbers of people. And winning a hundred -- is incredibly difficult and I understand there at the doorstep. And it didn't -- that team with the Mac call out if that's a bit that they're shooting for the Mets great. I wish Saltalamacchia never mentioned it you know because it probably -- my body but it might have caught up you've met my now yup people. Odd dollars and it was its -- on people's radar out. Confused by this why is everybody you say a hundred games they're -- Botox around a lot -- that -- -- -- doesn't mean Bosnian here's here's a -- a look at it and -- -- -- this before. If one of the players had a milestone. If you had stole -- based milestone home run milestone whatever if the guy was going for by batting title. It's the same sort of thing you're not gonna disrupt your team to do it would you rather over how meaningful was it. I don't know did Terry Francona did you to give way. Yet know what that's not that's a good point. That is an excellent point -- -- -- wins is it -- -- -- -- every bomb went on from but my here's my here's a look at just the milestone right. But in regards that Wakefield analogy Steve that's different because that affected exactly what you were doing. -- what they're gonna do I I've said it before the way this team is constructed. It's almost impossible just to burn things over so much it's not like you can put in. -- separate fifteen players. To play the last ready for games. I understand look I don't understand it right there and that they get it's great but you know this is something I just wanted to become a focal point because. If you 100 -- -- -- -- win the World Series it's like a 116 and -- yeah I mean. Of the of the 93 teams that of 100 games. 65 have gone on to the World Series feel better about that. Pretty. Good if I expect -- that left him Biden and by the way by the way 32 of them have won the world's leaders. So it'll feel a little better Steve. Can actually. A radio I don't want all right -- I think it's fun. Talking. The let's start a new rallying thanks for the cost -- the starting to rally that's -- -- none at all. Six in six the rest of the way to get that match. And he set it -- out that's a great point butch I'll come back to it. Don't you if you're -- Red Sox don't you wanna go 93 for the last twelve games that what you want I know it did enjoy L wants he wants us to break. -- PB thanks for your patience right fuel we get back from the next break. More of your calls at 6177797937. Red Sox baseball on WEEI butch and Bradford from friendly. Definitely this. My. Many. -- -- What do well. 61777979837. As the number one and repeated again if you'd like to join us. Which turns -- rob Bradford from Fenway Park tonight till 730 of the Red Sox pregame at 617. 7797937. Yankees and Red Sox fans. Getting along so far out here on land down street Paul -- you'll be up in the second as those listening to Ortiz talked their -- And looking at his numbers 27 home runs. Three on nine average. 92 RBIs. And a 960 -- PS. And I'm thinking of the red point seven home runs and a figure the Red Sox are second in the American League with a 162. Home runs behind the tigers and home runs don't mean everything but. I'm thinking of other milestones. That besides we've been talking about a hundred games getting hammered by cancer but. Other -- -- -- not back it off the bush other other individual milestones and in the home runs really strike me for team that's in a 162 home runs. Here's the guys that lead in home runs or -- at 27. Napoli with 21. Middle Brooks has fifteen home runs for the up and down season that he's yet and we had three and one game. Victor Reno with fourteen Saltalamacchia with thirteen. Drew with a dozen -- with a dozen. Novel with -- -- minerals single digits and by the way the first I would single digits is Mike Carp would not -- -- had a 191 at bats you want to talk about an unlikely 162. Home runs and how it's spread out. It's all good though is an. That's how this team is constructed that's how does one typically constructed we talked about. Alex Alex keeps saying it is about oh yes which is both -- a lot of people value the most. Which is on base percentage plus slugging percentage. And up and down the line up almost everybody. Has an OP yes a -- Major League average and you do that Major League average roughly -- will depend I mean for their position. So you do that then you're gonna have victory try to consistency you'd kind of have that kind of spread out home run totals. And that's how they've got -- -- -- -- interest let's go to up while PB Paul thanks for your patience. -- hey Dave bill the owner actually I'll Tom. How are you Tom I build it and -- Is terrific Becky you. A couple of quick points here. Compete well -- saying basically intact. And Atlantic being naive that you don't want to sacrifice the team. And and it Jews this week and I mean. That being with what the world community. And I will be disappointed at state well. It appears that there is Tom and I threw this out yesterday. Is that at this point the 91 -- team that you have right now. Bush went when summer comes up to you mystery and says. What do you how far do you think this team being go before it was I don't know we'll see we'll see -- -- -- right now why Kate -- below like Tom -- you say I expect them to win the World Series. A -- a couple of weeks ago. People say and all agree. Why can't do it then it can be I mean they're only that but the first thing that comes to my mind when you say. You know -- -- on the street to feel -- see this team's gonna win the World Series. In the back in my mind as they did Lebanese win the World Series and then it comes to the job is Jon Lester and ice age old argument. Right all right -- what I'm one of those people are more of those people that. And ace is sometimes not the guy. Who's your number one pitcher look at scherzer and the good Verlander this year look at Derek Lowe in 04. And what he did an ace in September and October can be that different person. That was your twenty game winner you're number one starter this and that so could buck colts take the mantle from here -- again. And pitch better than any other pitcher on the steps units in about capsule so. You don't necessarily need. That Tim Lincecum Pedro Martinez I'm thinking of great Cy Young years over the last twenty years you don't need that -- to win the World Series you don't. Teams are perceived -- proved over and over and over again yeah Matt Cain pitched great for saint San Francisco last year. But he wasn't Gary semi was all you are saying you don't need that guy to win the world -- -- hot pitcher. Yes I totally agree my hand and we're talking about time of the season. I think the biggest turnaround was less that we will open again and its young Eddie. That's a good point Tom it's -- thanks for the call it's it's a really good point that. You know it was the all star break where we were worried about last year and again it was the age old argument then that one game in Baltimore. On Sunday remember doing radio show on the post game that's Sunday night. Lester pitched like he pitched him back in the first place. And pitch like any site -- go look at the date but it was a shot out he pitched like an AC and well and any at any of the Arizona starter I believe right after that a couple of his game marks that the double well he. You talk about key decisions that this coaching staff has made. Bumping Jon Lester back those few days after the all star break to give him that extra time seemed like a world of difference. I just dead even that first game back his stuff looked a lot different to me it looked crisper it looked like you're struggling more velocity. And he was battling through some physical stuff he got going with after that little break and hasn't -- cents. Let's go to Jim in North Hampton who's next on WEEI hello Jim. I got actually got but it doesn't -- Rob. -- I got to kill you guys produce 100. Winds. Are scared and starts are classic. -- Element the team has been absolutely. Ritchie are you here. Could it happen almost on this issue is created -- ball -- Yet on game. Why nation go to -- dot to have -- your medicine you're missing my point you're missing my point of -- I'm not saying that the season is going to be defined by them winning a hundred games are not saying that they should change their philosophy. Are resting guys going a hundred games. All I'm saying is that. Milestones. It's a pretty neat one to have considering. Where you came from that's holidays. It don't want saying that they'd have to get to a hundred games but tab. We're sitting here at. With too well regular season games to go. And all you have to go is nice in three to -- -- -- gave something it's only been done three times in organization history. And if -- do that. You look at the comparison the last it's a great story that's all this. You don't there's also the category premier rob it it's the superstar athlete. Who get asked questions about -- what do you think it is small but at that moment it's not try and and the real. Stars say what my career is over I'll look back on that kind of reflect on it will be really wonderful. They don't bigoted in the moment and that's the same thing. Great game went on her game didn't end up doing well in the playoffs everybody can look back and what a spectacular -- candidates. But even be discussing that. -- up to him I respect what you're saying but that's not to say that week we can't discuss this it's a great. Discussion. Is just like if I'll say it again if Jacoby Ellsbury was going for a hundred steals in a season. We witnessed the I think what makes it different as the team to death by the files you know -- it's a milestone right but it's a teen Myles writes why not talk. Talking about a guy I don't for an individual record nobody has said that they should Alter their plans to do it. Tim doesn't want us talking about it -- hard at it. Honestly guys geek and do it much more to talk about the individuals except between successes. But matchups down the stretch. Our will they go deep into the playoffs could be it could do -- for the good of the series that's been all that kind of. I don't know where where -- not -- -- 100 -- there we've been talking about the importance of Buchholz starts we've been talking about everything else Tim I respect what you're talking about and we've been talking about all that stuff we talked up and -- and that's the great thing about this time a year absolutely. But here's the thing. That we've found herself at this point so. -- if you wanna make a list of ten things you talked about the Red Sox. I'm sorry. Big chance of doing something that only three Red Sox teams in history has ever done after entered into the equation. I apologize to all these people who -- generally so upset over for all -- know. Ebbers about Lester we were talking about just to finish that thought before we took -- call. The Baltimore game rob was -- it was a final Sunday in July it was -- right -- for the trading deadline Lester went seven innings. He gave up each seven shutout innings and they beat -- aerials and he won the game. He then came home his first start against -- in August was against Arizona he gave up six earned runs. In gave up eleven hits in for an -- third innings. Since then here's the earned runs he's given up since that game one. 2013131. That's what he's given up and then you go to September now. And in the month of September. He's earned runs or even better in the month of September than he's given up there -- 20. She's we want three and one. 13 and one and she's never given up more than three earned runs in a game since that Arizona law in so that's been eight games. The ERA one point 86. And if you're looking for a guy who's hitting the post season potentially hitting -- season high energy guy. Let's take another quick call before the break let's go to Chris in plain don't like Chris. Good scheme. What I would -- him around or try to figure out. I. -- port side and I can't remember a team that anything like that. I'm BC -- about. Might there about off court but nothing. Quite does -- -- -- all optical write and -- any. There. You guys are or can think of -- It. Well I know I can't -- but let me -- comment on your point. You know they seem like they're the best right and then you said they seem like they're gonna fall off the cliff but why. I mean if you look back on this entire season I'm I've been a person. All you waiting for the other shoe to drop and I'm not the curse guy the -- got it all ended -- four but here's the thing. They have lost more than three games in a row all season long they've given us no reason to doubt them to meet the reason we do. Is the expectations that we had at the beginning of the year which weren't much. Absolutely agreed but I have court. Beyond that point me or you've been -- whatever I've ever seen a team that has won a championship -- -- that this kind of make up. Be more specific what do you mean I'll be minor player all the way through the lineup no superstars that I can. Com. I mean I don't know. That's disrespectful but well look -- OK I would say that no would look at it it's look at. San Francisco last year. They -- they the MVP in Buster Posey. Look at that Matt Cain pitched isn't good as anybody in the post yup well they certainly have guys potentially could do that meteor. You're looking at top of the rotation guy that's what we we look at they have the potential to have that. But certainly. If he's asking how I've seen teams win the World Series with this type of make up where you have good players across the board because. David Ortiz is the best player his position he's one of the best offensive players in the American. Okay there's via if you wanna pick -- got to go BL right now I would say that the one we get a break Robert I would say the team that comes to mind it's not baseball is is the is the 2002 patriots in a 120 candidate he will also run out for a day -- rob Bradford ambushed another hour plus to go here at Fenway Park Red Sox and yankees here on W media.

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