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Minor Details Ep. 62: The scouts behind Jake Peavy, Xander Bogaerts

Aug 5, 2013|

Two players with a chance to deliver a considerable impact for the Red Sox down the stretch, Jake Peavy and Xander Bogaerts, underscore the franchise-changing impact that great scouting can have on an organization for years. To explain that phenomenon, Minor Details is joined by Red Sox special assignment scout Mark Wasinger -- the man credited with scouting and signing Peavy for the Padres in 1999 -- and former Red Sox international scout Mike Lord, who led the Sox to Bogaerts in 2009.

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This week it -- shining a light on the cutting jobs. Behind a pair of franchise changing signings. In recent days two innings of Baird detention and the Red Sox organization like none other Jake Peavy obviously acquired at the trade deadline and super prospect -- Bogart's. With both of them on the cusp of perhaps having a huge impact on the red text on the stretch. It's worth remembering that the origins of both players' careers were relatively and celebrated. Peavy was taken in the fifteenth round out of high school in Alabama and he needed a 100000 dollars. Certainly beyond the slot recommendation but not huge money to walk away from his scholarship offered Auburn in turn pro at the Padres the organization for whom. He won the Cy Young award in 2006. Bogart's meanwhile received a bit more than 400000 dollars as a sixteen year old out of Aruba for years ago. Good money relative to the market to be short but a fraction of what top international -- he's typically receive. So let's get into the process underlying the amateur talent lottery in a couple of cases that hit the jackpot. We'll talk with Michael lord. The international scout whose determination. To get a chicken pox riddled Bogart's out of -- in Aruba may have changed the fortunes of the Red Sox through the rest of the decade. But first. We'll check in with Red Sox special assignment scout mark wasn't here who was responsible for starting peavy in getting him not only drafted by convincing him to turn pro. Let's start with this did mark wasn't your rescue PP from obscurity before getting the Padres have taken in the fifteenth round. Back in 1999 or was he at the time a well known prospect. Took some context it was well on scouting community. And it was scouted -- You get -- a scholarships. Out all Burnett to our. And where she wanted to go to there was issues -- abilities the other summit that. But to clear up the fact that she she was well. -- discussed in there did their job and -- all had seen here so. Step on the table. The strength of the reason it went in the chipped in ground. Is because once you start to get into the middle rounds. It was going to be desirability issue where you know what I'll just go to go to Auburn. So. -- We get an intense round with the Padres I got this -- from north Alabama. And -- so well. Is Jake Jake is still on the board and it says oh yeah I think so so go game four cents. So. He went Beckett and three rounds later. Well the maps -- a twelve round -- rounds later. It's change -- and actual gotcha -- KV civil. There's a great mystery taking actual that's trying to. So. So good -- It will just be clear what kind of stuff have you seen from him when you're gonna see him in in high school how was a video of this kind of forced his way. To get that scholarship offer at Auburn and tuck in was getting that's getting attention. Well objected overstretched and in our schools that are different. Has stopped its opt out of that 91 from may. Maybe most cal cup more than but that's what I got and I had like -- fast already. And it had to search will break in body and very good changeup so. He had to get outs so that's very attracted to colleges. As well as a pro game but. To insert -- you know like when he went out won the Cy Young. Here's 196. And just beat it with a fastball it was more pitch ability school. That really didn't strike justice means. He carved up we're limited in out. Don't not conscious functional. But he didn't show the big stuff that he had you know he developed throughout minor leagues and then an imaginary. The the idea of a pitch ability guy in high school strikes me is such a difficult hype to it says scout right because. You know high school hitters against pitchers if there's a pitcher who has advanced feel for pitching at -- young an age. Given that you don't meet you probably don't have the same kind of advance cat and mouse game in high school that you would in. In an SEC setting or something. That that would be difficult to project whether or not a guy has the stuff. To play in the minor leagues -- in over whether or not he's just you know he's just ahead in terms of the sequences that sort of thing. Think yeah he's he's definitely has been currency and -- -- and is it did translate united. Just got finished. Basically. -- played -- and managing. And independent league and and he he would have to view -- as those guys at worst you know -- and their careers are just. So. For me it translated -- its ability translated to the pro level. And I think there is more than -- -- scouts that would agree. As she did the kind of background -- make up work on him what did you find out about him -- permitted him to have such an advanced feel for pitching and understanding for the game. That is a good question and it is so -- quite a bit and actors. But he called happy. Like that it did it to me. As ground and Jews. News Jim Warren's expertise and I know it was a big baseball trying to influence. Enjoy actual election. You know I get to speak to him and games and -- and -- little bit and then -- the channel they just. And wished that the game and and -- just had a desire I don't know exactly. Why he knew and how he knew that are certainly better be better off talked about such. He had it -- And he had it is so -- now so. The results are or what they are. Do you see that -- and he's he's known as as a ferocious competitor. Did you see that in high school that kind of mound presence or at that point. What's his performance such that. You know maybe maybe he wasn't being challenged in -- way that was going to bring in out in the same kind of dramatic talking and yelling to himself fashion that you now see at the big league level. -- that's. Yeah that's. That's what set him apart served from every other right hander Y area. And by the way he did mention what I signed and that populist thirteen. Right handed pitchers before we -- out. So we always thought that you know all those guys were going to be in trotting out. Well the thing that different change they -- knew he was going to be good and knew it was gonna get guys out. And I district miners that the only thing. That Stanton probably used about those thirteen. Thirteen pitchers I would like for you but they had -- cell that was the only person that stand trial -- so. And that's I think what was the turning point making him think okay. You know it actually maybe maybe reward do what I really wanted to does that play baseball so. But a week later and it up the third call me up but ended up getting chart. So it was it was this really just your view was he your guy or was this -- was he someone. With whom the Padres cross checkers were. Where you know we're quite involved in this negotiation or was this really just view in Jake's family. -- sorting out whether or not his best path. Was to go to college or turn professional. Yeah it was it was made. And Arnold say that it made any bragging way. Cross -- that came and saw him. Throw like two innings. Like at the end of the tendencies and hours kind of like. Prepared for the playoffs and really didn't have anything else to do. So it wasn't like it was like that at all what I do want to say is that. Brad slowed the scouting director believed in me and not to say. All right here's a 100000 dollars -- back -- -- -- is. And being with the Padres a low revenue clubs. Those considerable. In terms of thought in terms of of getting that 100000 dollar commitment you know what was your projection like for him at that point what kind of -- do you have. Both in terms of you know what what kind of grades were you throwing on his stuff. In what kind of what what kind of ceiling and floor where you're defining form has. As a high school kid one of one of the most difficult things to do by the way too attached killing him floor to a guy. Who's pitching against a very -- a different level of competition. Yeah and that's one of the most difficult things like you mentioned that. And I think it's it's always so. You can always look back on things and and realized. How exact you really -- and and in my case how badly I've missed Jake. As the enemy in the sector and I said that he would need a back and starter at study of torched starter but I -- this should -- -- And actually quite surpassed. And outstanding and one -- pitchers in the game or in any certain here are certainly at seven -- Cy Young -- What's it that you had him turned in his as roughly a fourth rounder is that correct. What what does that mean to your mind because then you're you're you know obviously not taking in terms of draft position. Right since you guys got him in the fifteenth round to you what -- what the difference between. First round or second -- -- third rounder and a fourth rounder what what does that mean when you turn guy and say oh he's a fourth round talent. Well at that time. Obviously I was an area scouts I was -- The pool players and mine. Area and what -- you before about what roughly talent goes in which round. Wish -- size and and you know is is. Like -- topped out at ninety wanted to get an average curveball and change. And so she was in the average range wasn't. Which sets him apart at that -- -- is his make up is mental approach is. As ferocious as as -- -- so. -- ultra mate that that that elevated up into the fourth -- area and you know obviously it shows how inexact art business says because if if anybody could have predicted that it would have been Cy Young award -- Well then obviously they would apparent much higher. And -- They would be the best scouting guru in the world right now on derby you know it's just it's something that you just can't quantify. You know it. You just don't know that there's a lot of unknown but what what what what are their currency. At a lot of heart as -- was good and and the ground based ball trying to get a major Lachey -- what it took to get there -- And -- Jewish day. When did you start to think -- start to get people in the Padres organization telling you. This this guy might have been a nice little fine for us he might he might outperform that fourth term projection a little bit. You know -- had watched what you organization gets summoned and most of the armed. The money that you gave mart where they went really doesn't matter to assist what can you do. And I think they they realized pretty quickly what Jake. I mean you went out just absolutely -- as a rookie and I think it's -- in three years is a bit late so. Yeah cheap. He got people out he struck people he got better. It stopped improving gets stronger. Groups I mean are all those factors. And combination worse. Now as -- thought goodness her Geithner quit. And and he's been good and yet look back. So you know kind of -- with the benefit of hindsight you know fourteen years after having seen him as an amateur. You know did it does to assimilate Jake Peavy change the way in which you you know change the way in which you say you. Kind of wait certain things you know whether it's though because he has pitching acumen. You know there's a chance for him to move fast or you know or or. It how he note insofar as. And insofar as he's a guy who you know for whom you didn't have you didn't have the perfect crystal ball you obviously do a good job. Of evaluating both you know the fact that yet a potential Major -- future in the fact that he was signed a ball and that you could get it done. But you know what what lessons do you draw as a doubt from from a guy like Jake Peavy. I guess basically. What I Drew Coleman is. And and again I have an extensive background in baseball sorry I don't let. Know what I like and know what what it took to not only get there but to stay in and what -- players are and identified it early which error and then there's times -- wrong as well. But you know you get you really have to trust your instincts as a scout. And and they were agreement which and it there's been other cases of that happening to. Where I was right and ordinary and if you can't sort of more than -- country that's wrong as well. So I guess the biggest thing I learned that it. Learned about it that you're lucky -- this stick to your guns and and be convicted. Have conviction when he talked about it. And you know and see what happens just. As too unpredictable. But there's factors that. Knowledge factors but. Intangibles about players. And sometimes you can't just on on one line like that so much. Then. You know it just it just manifest -- bench that that should progressives I think it's. Stronger he develops mentally and physically. Goes to the crime about -- Knows what he has student. Compete against the best in the country hands as opposed to a little town. And you know like mobile content and and -- it takes about a or any. It just he exceeds. And that's what he did it. Talking with mark wasn't -- now a member of the Red Sox front office team but the area scout who signed Jake Peavy back with the Padres. Please remind me when did you when did you how how long did you remain with the Padres. Far and I spent five years where it's. Kevin towers -- -- director of their when I was work intranet apparently training. And I establish relationship. A set and -- some independently players. And -- -- not already made me these are discounted up. And that's spent five years with them before. We have got the job over Boston it brought me over with a. So that being the case and we -- came over for the 2003 season. Are overt or others who when he came over as of Wear and tear came over his assistant GM. Or -- out. So from afar so then -- TV's Major League debut I believe was in the 2002 season when you would come over presumably to the Red Sox. -- what's that like for a -- when you have you know obviously you have this. This personal investment in the guy's career and yet you know because of the nature of the industry you're in a different organization. Are you still able to -- you still able to experience. You know the kind of the same thrill you know that that kind of thrill of watching -- TV's career unfolding from afar with a Major League debut whether winning the ERA title for the first time in 2004. Winning the Cy Young award in 2006. How much does that mean how gratifying is that two out. Who who spends a lot of time maybe not necessarily in in the spotlight for the for the hard work its done. You know -- if it's -- and not a great deal to me that the kid was able. Make a living at this jail which is so hard -- -- and and all that but just say -- I I was. He HE it my expectations by so much you know -- and I can't sit recognized. What you know how liked it better from -- as far as you know who say yeah. Come back a lot although it'll just change around what that that's the luck of the draw that she wanted to signs. Recognized fact that she did wanna play professional baseball writer what are. And to get into. -- -- took more than the typical shift change grounder. You know looking back -- it it it there's there's I have a scouting director that wanted to let me. Have the money to spend on a guy like. There's so many variables that. You know you're looking back how how that happened. But I guess you know that there is no question. How how gratifying does that make it's that you actually you actually read. Apprehend a comeback and and but potentially help. The Red Sox get into the playoffs and who knows how -- past that is just. It's it's it's it's almost a full circle. That was -- that was kind of good to be the last the last area that I went with his -- with this line of questioning. I'm over the course of over the course of the last couple weeks when the idea of of pursuing Jake. Who became. You know clearly a Red Sox priority right he emerged pretty clearly has as about the top target that you guys could have in terms of the fit for what you guys were trying to accomplish. Both an accomplished starting pitcher. In someone who has signed beyond the 2002 and put it beyond the 2013 season. How how much were you involved in the conversations about whether or not to acquire Jake. And and how much fun because it just for you to think about you know -- I finally might be in the same organization. As him when he's in the major leagues. Well that that would be in front that would that would have been on -- from -- as far as. My involvement has very matter of -- and you know that they that this scouting step to regulate staffs. Then all the people in the front office. You know there's diligently watched him. Check out his performances and did all that and -- followed years. And those of the guys said. You know which should be she usually gratifying for. Because they put in all the work. And so it's necessary and they put the Red Sox. And in all the scouting people that are in our organization that it -- light and hopefully see. Is as good as advertised and it helps. But -- all -- also records results early -- I feel like he's going to help us. And think the fans -- like Jake Peavy. Mark -- -- thank you so much for joining this has been terrific to think back to the back story of the origins of -- beat his career. You know and Doug but he kind of emergence of really a guy whose son has enjoyed a pretty incredible career. Appreciate chairman on the show and I was say it's it's -- hold up but have been distracted here watch. And here at Syracuse,. New York. Turn up next JP. That's -- -- but you clearly multitask well since everything's been crystal clear I think you -- again mark. It out here. The reputation of -- Bogart has proceeded to twenty year old shortstop to the big leagues and with good reason. -- is dominating in AAA level or is seven years younger than the average position player. Given that performance how do you get to the Red Sox in the first place to answer that we check in with Michael lord who is the international start responsible for the search. It entries Bogart's of the Red Sox as a sixteen year old. In 2009. We'll start with this. Given what he's become how does Michael lowered the scout who signs -- Bogart's. Explain why there wasn't a line around Aruba to get a glimpse of this remarkable young prospect. That that the great question. You know it's amazing that when -- first got there. And thought okay outburst on the silence in this guy's answer was no so. Some good things happened. You know -- -- -- you know the tough job -- Rubens. The beach and then. You know go out of the ballpark but. -- the story that you know goes where we came -- you know -- around the islands and luckily I had. Soccer style group almost all the places along the Mexican as a lot not all fun and games sticker shock Mexico where it. Yeah -- well those those -- well I thought that. There are -- a remote knowledge one place to land to Newt that is -- you know the drug cartels were going to be shoot at Aruba. It's it's. Yeah I think if had to get a quote get familiar like so period grew up. So we we attitude and work out and bad first date. Little ballpark and right here the Big Brother. And about seven guys. Showed up and you know look at it -- typical work out at all. You know turn over -- try to find another it and you know most that you go to Google and what -- that they hate to date that they are on someone. Almost Asia like while I get out all -- and -- you can get caught in trying to -- players and which is did. So that they're all I hear he comes out among the rest and he had a couple months and all the options he opened. He's started you know on that topic that you haven't shied integrated. Big smile. Big lovable Teddy bears and he got talked about rather you know I'll -- the worst where the and Zander and he's sick with the chicken pox aside. So we got to talk a little bit more and you know so I have. Talked to some of the parents and and different coaches and -- while it is standard he's maybe the we've seen a lot. And -- -- you know what -- jagr was okay and he did you do -- well -- opposite field power. With Nike created at the end he was big -- to capture. Are we thought well you know you've got to be kind of a pretty. -- that that proxy Hartley moved around him he looked like you could pick it up yet to reverse that. That's our. -- -- -- -- going to be questioned that. So the back today -- target pocket after the game after the work out. I think you guys know lateral collateral it Bianco Clinton dropped call yet. Straight guys happy and the whole battle isn't completely happy group ever since Andrew the -- the sweetheart. Big mama bear she is you rules over there group. At that she's great and so we. Well I got probably glad when I got talked about baseball it was a big baseball -- actually pretty knowledgeable about the game and he -- recite a line up I've never did have like this -- for -- though Mike -- I really love this game and he named all the starters Mike -- he was going crazy it was -- starter scored here that won twenty games and he was really. You -- clearly loved the game and he loved as it is is boys and and so there was really intriguing but Carter problem a little bit puts an -- like -- you know here with Evander. So he's like -- -- mama's not let me about chickenpox which I would work out the where we got him there the next day that you noticed or whether. We've got the game -- he shows up and we've already got the work out -- If he's you know he's a rock star but he all of sudden -- -- and instead of degree and honestly from here the year. Literally rolled right out of Betty I've been two weeks and week in and you know he's not all there. And you irrational. Smog actually did namesake and no -- they'll talk about. Old school guy. That are under like music is talk about a guy good -- but I heard Garrity you do that yes. That you got that big grin honestly argue -- as a quiet confidence about -- is that genuine it and right away you take -- it is in. He went out to. -- -- and you saw some tools. And you know he he he hit. Took a little BP and then in the games he wants is one left field that one out yet what the right center out and I think I told you won't want a place you'd. We'll break it -- middle with a guy on second city. He'd just directly out rolls over. Oh they're all aware that the current partner sites Gordon wrote about him but and you know again at the root of the -- part what -- -- but he had. You know get a baseball instincts and so. It started had not been a typical video live. And that senator Craig Shipley you know ship was I've often thought that ship is that you should look at this. Right away just jumped right on it I guess -- -- all that right away like I got it now I guess we got it down here. So it was pretty obvious the guy really stood out and does I really all our. You could've got a guy from checker at Wal-Mart and probably means that in the best baseball guy out here -- -- -- eyesight to happen would be. At the right place at the right time I looked around -- -- -- -- who is nobody on your you know nobody's -- guy. So there's a couple seemed -- Mexican had been around them you know you guys on the island. -- -- -- Says hi there are real we -- that down as fast -- -- what wasn't really rocket science to figure out who's had. At the ability to know how much the newspaper and the look like a big leaguer you know music viewed as though he was that they use the profile was there. You know the big shoulders he just does he looked like a little -- who's gonna grow -- dopey -- talk he's going to be he's going to be good. And so hard on that and you'd get the second part of your question about life but he arm now we always were wondered about. So -- we got a dog in negotiations. Small island and you know the other GMs and scouting directors found out so Kris and her they were coming after them. And I it formed a really good relationship with -- the ball and Glenn all right. Great Christian family -- stick to their words -- really awesome people. So we are talking and there are like you know what I trust you wanna you know they wanted they wanted look at your the -- So I'm sure you know you never told me who have achieved she said there's a lot of -- -- they were. Trying to undercut him in about him that whatever the Red Sox gave you will -- it up like that so that they treat and so. It was pretty amazing so what I think I think that it be interesting for people -- about and her. And without going and greet -- -- when he got the bonus. He didn't you know here what a cute age sixteen years old and -- you know drive the truck with the money and -- that view he doesn't go crazy he. He spent months and how they already did that he. Major characters. Mom let -- -- support people all of that. The money -- pictures as -- talked about it while the -- yeah. And -- years to same -- you know he's he's that is as solid group and so on make up stamp what really happened as standard got. The stability there Dan Bartlett is it -- I don't -- -- my colleague -- while I have to say you know broad product yet. Note Koreans you know go to the ballpark and Margaret so. He's a solid kid but. You know would want to go up and so. A little you know little concerned about coming up just you know it can be penetration and I know he's going to be buying that. You This week it -- shining a light on the cutting jobs. Behind a pair of franchise changing signings. In recent days two innings of Baird detention and the Red Sox organization like none other Jake Peavy obviously acquired at the trade deadline and super prospect -- Bogart's. With both of them on the cusp of perhaps having a huge impact on the red text on the stretch. It's worth remembering that the origins of both players' careers were relatively and celebrated. Peavy was taken in the fifteenth round out of high school in Alabama and he needed a 100000 dollars. Certainly beyond the slot recommendation but not huge money to walk away from his scholarship offered Auburn in turn pro at the Padres the organization for whom. He won the Cy Young award in 2006. Bogart's meanwhile received a bit more than 400000 dollars as a sixteen year old out of Aruba for years ago. Good money relative to the market to be short but a fraction of what top international -- he's typically receive. So let's get into the process underlying the amateur talent lottery in a couple of cases that hit the jackpot. We'll talk with Michael lord. The international scout whose determination. To get a chicken pox riddled Bogart's out of -- in Aruba may have changed the fortunes of the Red Sox through the rest of the decade. But first. We'll check in with Red Sox special assignment scout mark wasn't here who was responsible for starting peavy in getting him not only drafted by convincing him to turn pro. Let's start with this did mark wasn't your rescue PP from obscurity before getting the Padres have taken in the fifteenth round. Back in 1999 or was he at the time a well known prospect. Took some context it was well on scouting community. And it was scouted -- You get -- a scholarships. Out all Burnett to our. And where she wanted to go to there was issues -- abilities the other summit that. But to clear up the fact that she she was well. -- discussed in there did their job and -- all had seen here so. Step on the table. The strength of the reason it went in the chipped in ground. Is because once you start to get into the middle rounds. It was going to be desirability issue where you know what I'll just go to go to Auburn. So. -- We get an intense round with the Padres I got this -- from north Alabama. And -- so well. Is Jake Jake is still on the board and it says oh yeah I think so so go game four cents. So. He went Beckett and three rounds later. Well the maps -- a twelve round -- rounds later. It's change -- and actual gotcha -- KV civil. There's a great mystery taking actual that's trying to. So. So good -- It will just be clear what kind of stuff have you seen from him when you're gonna see him in in high school how was a video of this kind of forced his way. To get that scholarship offer at Auburn and tuck in was getting that's getting attention. Well objected overstretched and in our schools that are different. Has stopped its opt out of that 91 from may. Maybe most cal cup more than but that's what I got and I had like -- fast already. And it had to search will break in body and very good changeup so. He had to get outs so that's very attracted to colleges. As well as a pro game but. To insert -- you know like when he went out won the Cy Young. Here's 196. And just beat it with a fastball it was more pitch ability school. That really didn't strike justice means. He carved up we're limited in out. Don't not conscious functional. But he didn't show the big stuff that he had you know he developed throughout minor leagues and then an imaginary. The the idea of a pitch ability guy in high school strikes me is such a difficult hype to it says scout right because. You know high school hitters against pitchers if there's a pitcher who has advanced feel for pitching at -- young an age. Given that you don't meet you probably don't have the same kind of advance cat and mouse game in high school that you would in. In an SEC setting or something. That that would be difficult to project whether or not a guy has the stuff. To play in the minor leagues -- in over whether or not he's just you know he's just ahead in terms of the sequences that sort of thing. Think yeah he's he's definitely has been currency and -- -- and is it did translate united. Just got finished. Basically. -- played -- and managing. And independent league and and he he would have to view -- as those guys at worst you know -- and their careers are just. So. For me it translated -- its ability translated to the pro level. And I think there is more than -- -- scouts that would agree. As she did the kind of background -- make up work on him what did you find out about him -- permitted him to have such an advanced feel for pitching and understanding for the game. That is a good question and it is so -- quite a bit and actors. But he called happy. Like that it did it to me. As ground and Jews. News Jim Warren's expertise and I know it was a big baseball trying to influence. Enjoy actual election. You know I get to speak to him and games and -- and -- little bit and then -- the channel they just. And wished that the game and and -- just had a desire I don't know exactly. Why he knew and how he knew that are certainly better be better off talked about such. He had it -- And he had it is so -- now so. The results are or what they are. Do you see that -- and he's he's known as as a ferocious competitor. Did you see that in high school that kind of mound presence or at that point. What's his performance such that. You know maybe maybe he wasn't being challenged in -- way that was going to bring in out in the same kind of dramatic talking and yelling to himself fashion that you now see at the big league level. -- that's. Yeah that's. That's what set him apart served from every other right hander Y area. And by the way he did mention what I signed and that populist thirteen. Right handed pitchers before we -- out. So we always thought that you know all those guys were going to be in trotting out. Well the thing that different change they -- knew he was going to be good and knew it was gonna get guys out. And I district miners that the only thing. That Stanton probably used about those thirteen. Thirteen pitchers I would like for you but they had -- cell that was the only person that stand trial -- so. And that's I think what was the turning point making him think okay. You know it actually maybe maybe reward do what I really wanted to does that play baseball so. But a week later and it up the third call me up but ended up getting chart. So it was it was this really just your view was he your guy or was this -- was he someone. With whom the Padres cross checkers were. Where you know we're quite involved in this negotiation or was this really just view in Jake's family. -- sorting out whether or not his best path. Was to go to college or turn professional. Yeah it was it was made. And Arnold say that it made any bragging way. Cross -- that came and saw him. Throw like two innings. Like at the end of the tendencies and hours kind of like. Prepared for the playoffs and really didn't have anything else to do. So it wasn't like it was like that at all what I do want to say is that. Brad slowed the scouting director believed in me and not to say. All right here's a 100000 dollars -- back -- -- -- is. And being with the Padres a low revenue clubs. Those considerable. In terms of thought in terms of of getting that 100000 dollar commitment you know what was your projection like for him at that point what kind of -- do you have. Both in terms of you know what what kind of grades were you throwing on his stuff. In what kind of what what kind of ceiling and floor where you're defining form has. As a high school kid one of one of the most difficult things to do by the way too attached killing him floor to a guy. Who's pitching against a very -- a different level of competition. Yeah and that's one of the most difficult things like you mentioned that. And I think it's it's always so. You can always look back on things and and realized. How exact you really -- and and in my case how badly I've missed Jake. As the enemy in the sector and I said that he would need a back and starter at study of torched starter but I -- this should -- -- And actually quite surpassed. And outstanding and one -- pitchers in the game or in any certain here are certainly at seven -- Cy Young -- What's it that you had him turned in his as roughly a fourth rounder is that correct. What what does that mean to your mind because then you're you're you know obviously not taking in terms of draft position. Right since you guys got him in the fifteenth round to you what -- what the difference between. First round or second -- -- third rounder and a fourth rounder what what does that mean when you turn guy and say oh he's a fourth round talent. Well at that time. Obviously I was an area scouts I was -- The pool players and mine. Area and what -- you before about what roughly talent goes in which round. Wish -- size and and you know is is. Like -- topped out at ninety wanted to get an average curveball and change. And so she was in the average range wasn't. Which sets him apart at that -- -- is his make up is mental approach is. As ferocious as as -- -- so. -- ultra mate that that that elevated up into the fourth -- area and you know obviously it shows how inexact art business says because if if anybody could have predicted that it would have been Cy Young award -- Well then obviously they would apparent much higher. And -- They would be the best scouting guru in the world right now on derby you know it's just it's something that you just can't quantify. You know it. You just don't know that there's a lot of unknown but what what what what are their currency. At a lot of heart as -- was good and and the ground based ball trying to get a major Lachey -- what it took to get there -- And -- Jewish day. When did you start to think -- start to get people in the Padres organization telling you. This this guy might have been a nice little fine for us he might he might outperform that fourth term projection a little bit. You know -- had watched what you organization gets summoned and most of the armed. The money that you gave mart where they went really doesn't matter to assist what can you do. And I think they they realized pretty quickly what Jake. I mean you went out just absolutely -- as a rookie and I think it's -- in three years is a bit late so. Yeah cheap. He got people out he struck people he got better. It stopped improving gets stronger. Groups I mean are all those factors. And combination worse. Now as -- thought goodness her Geithner quit. And and he's been good and yet look back. So you know kind of -- with the benefit of hindsight you know fourteen years after having seen him as an amateur. You know did it does to assimilate Jake Peavy change the way in which you you know change the way in which you say you. Kind of wait certain things you know whether it's though because he has pitching acumen. You know there's a chance for him to move fast or you know or or. It how he note insofar as. And insofar as he's a guy who you know for whom you didn't have you didn't have the perfect crystal ball you obviously do a good job. Of evaluating both you know the fact that yet a potential Major -- future in the fact that he was signed a ball and that you could get it done. But you know what what lessons do you draw as a doubt from from a guy like Jake Peavy. I guess basically. What I Drew Coleman is. And and again I have an extensive background in baseball sorry I don't let. Know what I like and know what what it took to not only get there but to stay in and what -- players are and identified it early which error and then there's times -- wrong as well. But you know you get you really have to trust your instincts as a scout. And and they were agreement which and it there's been other cases of that happening to. Where I was right and ordinary and if you can't sort of more than -- country that's wrong as well. So I guess the biggest thing I learned that it. Learned about it that you're lucky -- this stick to your guns and and be convicted. Have conviction when he talked about it. And you know and see what happens just. As too unpredictable. But there's factors that. Knowledge factors but. Intangibles about players. And sometimes you can't just on on one line like that so much. Then. You know it just it just manifest -- bench that that should progressives I think it's. Stronger he develops mentally and physically. Goes to the crime about -- Knows what he has student. Compete against the best in the country hands as opposed to a little town. And you know like mobile content and and -- it takes about a or any. It just he exceeds. And that's what he did it. Talking with mark wasn't -- now a member of the Red Sox front office team but the area scout who signed Jake Peavy back with the Padres. Please remind me when did you when did you how how long did you remain with the Padres. Far and I spent five years where it's. Kevin towers -- -- director of their when I was work intranet apparently training. And I establish relationship. A set and -- some independently players. And -- -- not already made me these are discounted up. And that's spent five years with them before. We have got the job over Boston it brought me over with a. So that being the case and we -- came over for the 2003 season. Are overt or others who when he came over as of Wear and tear came over his assistant GM. Or -- out. So from afar so then -- TV's Major League debut I believe was in the 2002 season when you would come over presumably to the Red Sox. -- what's that like for a -- when you have you know obviously you have this. This personal investment in the guy's career and yet you know because of the nature of the industry you're in a different organization. Are you still able to -- you still able to experience. You know the kind of the same thrill you know that that kind of thrill of watching -- TV's career unfolding from afar with a Major League debut whether winning the ERA title for the first time in 2004. Winning the Cy Young award in 2006. How much does that mean how gratifying is that two out. Who who spends a lot of time maybe not necessarily in in the spotlight for the for the hard work its done. You know -- if it's -- and not a great deal to me that the kid was able. Make a living at this jail which is so hard -- -- and and all that but just say -- I I was. He HE it my expectations by so much you know -- and I can't sit recognized. What you know how liked it better from -- as far as you know who say yeah. Come back a lot although it'll just change around what that that's the luck of the draw that she wanted to signs. Recognized fact that she did wanna play professional baseball writer what are. And to get into. -- -- took more than the typical shift change grounder. You know looking back -- it it it there's there's I have a scouting director that wanted to let me. Have the money to spend on a guy like. There's so many variables that. You know you're looking back how how that happened. But I guess you know that there is no question. How how gratifying does that make it's that you actually you actually read. Apprehend a comeback and and but potentially help. The Red Sox get into the playoffs and who knows how -- past that is just. It's it's it's it's almost a full circle. That was -- that was kind of good to be the last the last area that I went with his -- with this line of questioning. I'm over the course of over the course of the last couple weeks when the idea of of pursuing Jake. Who became. You know clearly a Red Sox priority right he emerged pretty clearly has as about the top target that you guys could have in terms of the fit for what you guys were trying to accomplish. Both an accomplished starting pitcher. In someone who has signed beyond the 2002 and put it beyond the 2013 season. How how much were you involved in the conversations about whether or not to acquire Jake. And and how much fun because it just for you to think about you know -- I finally might be in the same organization. As him when he's in the major leagues. Well that that would be in front that would that would have been on -- from -- as far as. My involvement has very matter of -- and you know that they that this scouting step to regulate staffs. Then all the people in the front office. You know there's diligently watched him. Check out his performances and did all that and -- followed years. And those of the guys said. You know which should be she usually gratifying for. Because they put in all the work. And so it's necessary and they put the Red Sox. And in all the scouting people that are in our organization that it -- light and hopefully see. Is as good as advertised and it helps. But -- all -- also records results early -- I feel like he's going to help us. And think the fans -- like Jake Peavy. Mark -- -- thank you so much for joining this has been terrific to think back to the back story of the origins of -- beat his career. You know and Doug but he kind of emergence of really a guy whose son has enjoyed a pretty incredible career. Appreciate chairman on the show and I was say it's it's -- hold up but have been distracted here watch. And here at Syracuse,. New York. Turn up next JP. That's -- -- but you clearly multitask well since everything's been crystal clear I think you -- again mark. It out here. The reputation of -- Bogart has proceeded to twenty year old shortstop to the big leagues and with good reason. -- is dominating in AAA level or is seven years younger than the average position player. Given that performance how do you get to the Red Sox in the first place to answer that we check in with Michael lord who is the international start responsible for the search. It entries Bogart's of the Red Sox as a sixteen year old. In 2009. We'll start with this. Given what he's become how does Michael lowered the scout who signs -- Bogart's. Explain why there wasn't a line around Aruba to get a glimpse of this remarkable young prospect. That that the great question. You know it's amazing that when -- first got there. And thought okay outburst on the silence in this guy's answer was no so. Some good things happened. You know -- -- -- you know the tough job -- Rubens. The beach and then. You know go out of the ballpark but. -- the story that you know goes where we came -- you know -- around the islands and luckily I had. Soccer style group almost all the places along the Mexican as a lot not all fun and games sticker shock Mexico where it. Yeah -- well those those -- well I thought that. There are -- a remote knowledge one place to land to Newt that is -- you know the drug cartels were going to be shoot at Aruba. It's it's. Yeah I think if had to get a quote get familiar like so period grew up. So we we attitude and work out and bad first date. Little ballpark and right here the Big Brother. And about seven guys. Showed up and you know look at it -- typical work out at all. You know turn over -- try to find another it and you know most that you go to Google and what -- that they hate to date that they are on someone. Almost Asia like while I get out all -- and -- you can get caught in trying to -- players and which is did. So that they're all I hear he comes out among the rest and he had a couple months and all the options he opened. He's started you know on that topic that you haven't shied integrated. Big smile. Big lovable Teddy bears and he got talked about rather you know I'll -- the worst where the and Zander and he's sick with the chicken pox aside. So we got to talk a little bit more and you know so I have. Talked to some of the parents and and different coaches and -- while it is standard he's maybe the we've seen a lot. And -- -- you know what -- jagr was okay and he did you do -- well -- opposite field power. With Nike created at the end he was big -- to capture. Are we thought well you know you've got to be kind of a pretty. -- that that proxy Hartley moved around him he looked like you could pick it up yet to reverse that. That's our. -- -- -- -- going to be questioned that. So the back today -- target pocket after the game after the work out. I think you guys know lateral collateral it Bianco Clinton dropped call yet. Straight guys happy and the whole battle isn't completely happy group ever since Andrew the -- the sweetheart. Big mama bear she is you rules over there group. At that she's great and so we. Well I got probably glad when I got talked about baseball it was a big baseball -- actually pretty knowledgeable about the game and he -- recite a line up I've never did have like this -- for -- though Mike -- I really love this game and he named all the starters Mike -- he was going crazy it was -- starter scored here that won twenty games and he was really. You -- clearly loved the game and he loved as it is is boys and and so there was really intriguing but Carter problem a little bit puts an -- like -- you know here with Evander. So he's like -- -- mama's not let me about chickenpox which I would work out the where we got him there the next day that you noticed or whether. We've got the game -- he shows up and we've already got the work out -- If he's you know he's a rock star but he all of sudden -- -- and instead of degree and honestly from here the year. Literally rolled right out of Betty I've been two weeks and week in and you know he's not all there. And you irrational. Smog actually did namesake and no -- they'll talk about. Old school guy. That are under like music is talk about a guy good -- but I heard Garrity you do that yes. That you got that big grin honestly argue -- as a quiet confidence about -- is that genuine it and right away you take -- it is in. He went out to. -- -- and you saw some tools. And you know he he he hit. Took a little BP and then in the games he wants is one left field that one out yet what the right center out and I think I told you won't want a place you'd. We'll break it -- middle with a guy on second city. He'd just directly out rolls over. Oh they're all aware that the current partner sites Gordon wrote about him but and you know again at the root of the -- part what -- -- but he had. You know get a baseball instincts and so. It started had not been a typical video live. And that senator Craig Shipley you know ship was I've often thought that ship is that you should look at this. Right away just jumped right on it I guess -- -- all that right away like I got it now I guess we got it down here. So it was pretty obvious the guy really stood out and does I really all our. You could've got a guy from checker at Wal-Mart and probably means that in the best baseball guy out here -- -- -- eyesight to happen would be. At the right place at the right time I looked around -- -- -- -- who is nobody on your you know nobody's -- guy. So there's a couple seemed -- Mexican had been around them you know you guys on the island. -- -- -- Says hi there are real we -- that down as fast -- -- what wasn't really rocket science to figure out who's had. At the ability to know how much the newspaper and the look like a big leaguer you know music viewed as though he was that they use the profile was there. You know the big shoulders he just does he looked like a little -- who's gonna grow -- dopey -- talk he's going to be he's going to be good. And so hard on that and you'd get the second part of your question about life but he arm now we always were wondered about. So -- we got a dog in negotiations. Small island and you know the other GMs and scouting directors found out so Kris and her they were coming after them. And I it formed a really good relationship with -- the ball and Glenn all right. Great Christian family -- stick to their words -- really awesome people. So we are talking and there are like you know what I trust you wanna you know they wanted they wanted look at your the -- So I'm sure you know you never told me who have achieved she said there's a lot of -- -- they were. Trying to undercut him in about him that whatever the Red Sox gave you will -- it up like that so that they treat and so. It was pretty amazing so what I think I think that it be interesting for people -- about and her. And without going and greet -- -- when he got the bonus. He didn't you know here what a cute age sixteen years old and -- you know drive the truck with the money and -- that view he doesn't go crazy he. He spent months and how they already did that he. Major characters. Mom let -- -- support people all of that. The money -- pictures as -- talked about it while the -- yeah. And -- years to same -- you know he's he's that is as solid group and so on make up stamp what really happened as standard got. The stability there Dan Bartlett is it -- I don't -- -- my colleague -- while I have to say you know broad product yet. Note Koreans you know go to the ballpark and Margaret so. He's a solid kid but. You know would want to go up and so. A little you know little concerned about coming up just you know it can be penetration and I know he's going to be buying that. You This week it -- shining a light on the cutting jobs. Behind a pair of franchise changing signings. In recent days two innings of Baird detention and the Red Sox organization like none other Jake Peavy obviously acquired at the trade deadline and super prospect -- Bogart's. With both of them on the cusp of perhaps having a huge impact on the red text on the stretch. It's worth remembering that the origins of both players' careers were relatively and celebrated. Peavy was taken in the fifteenth round out of high school in Alabama and he needed a 100000 dollars. Certainly beyond the slot recommendation but not huge money to walk away from his scholarship offered Auburn in turn pro at the Padres the organization for whom. He won the Cy Young award in 2006. Bogart's meanwhile received a bit more than 400000 dollars as a sixteen year old out of Aruba for years ago. Good money relative to the market to be short but a fraction of what top international -- he's typically receive. So let's get into the process underlying the amateur talent lottery in a couple of cases that hit the jackpot. We'll talk with Michael lord. The international scout whose determination. To get a chicken pox riddled Bogart's out of -- in Aruba may have changed the fortunes of the Red Sox through the rest of the decade. But first. We'll check in with Red Sox special assignment scout mark wasn't here who was responsible for starting peavy in getting him not only drafted by convincing him to turn pro. Let's start with this did mark wasn't your rescue PP from obscurity before getting the Padres have taken in the fifteenth round. Back in 1999 or was he at the time a well known prospect. Took some context it was well on scouting community. And it was scouted -- You get -- a scholarships. Out all Burnett to our. And where she wanted to go to there was issues -- abilities the other summit that. But to clear up the fact that she she was well. -- discussed in there did their job and -- all had seen here so. Step on the table. The strength of the reason it went in the chipped in ground. Is because once you start to get into the middle rounds. It was going to be desirability issue where you know what I'll just go to go to Auburn. So. -- We get an intense round with the Padres I got this -- from north Alabama. And -- so well. Is Jake Jake is still on the board and it says oh yeah I think so so go game four cents. So. He went Beckett and three rounds later. Well the maps -- a twelve round -- rounds later. It's change -- and actual gotcha -- KV civil. There's a great mystery taking actual that's trying to. So. So good -- It will just be clear what kind of stuff have you seen from him when you're gonna see him in in high school how was a video of this kind of forced his way. To get that scholarship offer at Auburn and tuck in was getting that's getting attention. Well objected overstretched and in our schools that are different. Has stopped its opt out of that 91 from may. Maybe most cal cup more than but that's what I got and I had like -- fast already. And it had to search will break in body and very good changeup so. He had to get outs so that's very attracted to colleges. As well as a pro game but. To insert -- you know like when he went out won the Cy Young. Here's 196. And just beat it with a fastball it was more pitch ability school. That really didn't strike justice means. He carved up we're limited in out. Don't not conscious functional. But he didn't show the big stuff that he had you know he developed throughout minor leagues and then an imaginary. The the idea of a pitch ability guy in high school strikes me is such a difficult hype to it says scout right because. You know high school hitters against pitchers if there's a pitcher who has advanced feel for pitching at -- young an age. Given that you don't meet you probably don't have the same kind of advance cat and mouse game in high school that you would in. In an SEC setting or something. That that would be difficult to project whether or not a guy has the stuff. To play in the minor leagues -- in over whether or not he's just you know he's just ahead in terms of the sequences that sort of thing. Think yeah he's he's definitely has been currency and -- -- and is it did translate united. Just got finished. Basically. -- played -- and managing. And independent league and and he he would have to view -- as those guys at worst you know -- and their careers are just. So. For me it translated -- its ability translated to the pro level. And I think there is more than -- -- scouts that would agree. As she did the kind of background -- make up work on him what did you find out about him -- permitted him to have such an advanced feel for pitching and understanding for the game. That is a good question and it is so -- quite a bit and actors. But he called happy. Like that it did it to me. As ground and Jews. News Jim Warren's expertise and I know it was a big baseball trying to influence. Enjoy actual election. You know I get to speak to him and games and -- and -- little bit and then -- the channel they just. And wished that the game and and -- just had a desire I don't know exactly. Why he knew and how he knew that are certainly better be better off talked about such. He had it -- And he had it is so -- now so. The results are or what they are. Do you see that -- and he's he's known as as a ferocious competitor. Did you see that in high school that kind of mound presence or at that point. What's his performance such that. You know maybe maybe he wasn't being challenged in -- way that was going to bring in out in the same kind of dramatic talking and yelling to himself fashion that you now see at the big league level. -- that's. Yeah that's. That's what set him apart served from every other right hander Y area. And by the way he did mention what I signed and that populist thirteen. Right handed pitchers before we -- out. So we always thought that you know all those guys were going to be in trotting out. Well the thing that different change they -- knew he was going to be good and knew it was gonna get guys out. And I district miners that the only thing. That Stanton probably used about those thirteen. Thirteen pitchers I would like for you but they had -- cell that was the only person that stand trial -- so. And that's I think what was the turning point making him think okay. You know it actually maybe maybe reward do what I really wanted to does that play baseball so. But a week later and it up the third call me up but ended up getting chart. So it was it was this really just your view was he your guy or was this -- was he someone. With whom the Padres cross checkers were. Where you know we're quite involved in this negotiation or was this really just view in Jake's family. -- sorting out whether or not his best path. Was to go to college or turn professional. Yeah it was it was made. And Arnold say that it made any bragging way. Cross -- that came and saw him. Throw like two innings. Like at the end of the tendencies and hours kind of like. Prepared for the playoffs and really didn't have anything else to do. So it wasn't like it was like that at all what I do want to say is that. Brad slowed the scouting director believed in me and not to say. All right here's a 100000 dollars -- back -- -- -- is. And being with the Padres a low revenue clubs. Those considerable. In terms of thought in terms of of getting that 100000 dollar commitment you know what was your projection like for him at that point what kind of -- do you have. Both in terms of you know what what kind of grades were you throwing on his stuff. In what kind of what what kind of ceiling and floor where you're defining form has. As a high school kid one of one of the most difficult things to do by the way too attached killing him floor to a guy. Who's pitching against a very -- a different level of competition. Yeah and that's one of the most difficult things like you mentioned that. And I think it's it's always so. You can always look back on things and and realized. How exact you really -- and and in my case how badly I've missed Jake. As the enemy in the sector and I said that he would need a back and starter at study of torched starter but I -- this should -- -- And actually quite surpassed. And outstanding and one -- pitchers in the game or in any certain here are certainly at seven -- Cy Young -- What's it that you had him turned in his as roughly a fourth rounder is that correct. What what does that mean to your mind because then you're you're you know obviously not taking in terms of draft position. Right since you guys got him in the fifteenth round to you what -- what the difference between. First round or second -- -- third rounder and a fourth rounder what what does that mean when you turn guy and say oh he's a fourth round talent. Well at that time. Obviously I was an area scouts I was -- The pool players and mine. Area and what -- you before about what roughly talent goes in which round. Wish -- size and and you know is is. Like -- topped out at ninety wanted to get an average curveball and change. And so she was in the average range wasn't. Which sets him apart at that -- -- is his make up is mental approach is. As ferocious as as -- -- so. -- ultra mate that that that elevated up into the fourth -- area and you know obviously it shows how inexact art business says because if if anybody could have predicted that it would have been Cy Young award -- Well then obviously they would apparent much higher. And -- They would be the best scouting guru in the world right now on derby you know it's just it's something that you just can't quantify. You know it. You just don't know that there's a lot of unknown but what what what what are their currency. At a lot of heart as -- was good and and the ground based ball trying to get a major Lachey -- what it took to get there -- And -- Jewish day. When did you start to think -- start to get people in the Padres organization telling you. This this guy might have been a nice little fine for us he might he might outperform that fourth term projection a little bit. You know -- had watched what you organization gets summoned and most of the armed. The money that you gave mart where they went really doesn't matter to assist what can you do. And I think they they realized pretty quickly what Jake. I mean you went out just absolutely -- as a rookie and I think it's -- in three years is a bit late so. Yeah cheap. He got people out he struck people he got better. It stopped improving gets stronger. Groups I mean are all those factors. And combination worse. Now as -- thought goodness her Geithner quit. And and he's been good and yet look back. So you know kind of -- with the benefit of hindsight you know fourteen years after having seen him as an amateur. You know did it does to assimilate Jake Peavy change the way in which you you know change the way in which you say you. Kind of wait certain things you know whether it's though because he has pitching acumen. You know there's a chance for him to move fast or you know or or. It how he note insofar as. And insofar as he's a guy who you know for whom you didn't have you didn't have the perfect crystal ball you obviously do a good job. Of evaluating both you know the fact that yet a potential Major -- future in the fact that he was signed a ball and that you could get it done. But you know what what lessons do you draw as a doubt from from a guy like Jake Peavy. I guess basically. What I Drew Coleman is. And and again I have an extensive background in baseball sorry I don't let. Know what I like and know what what it took to not only get there but to stay in and what -- players are and identified it early which error and then there's times -- wrong as well. But you know you get you really have to trust your instincts as a scout. And and they were agreement which and it there's been other cases of that happening to. Where I was right and ordinary and if you can't sort of more than -- country that's wrong as well. So I guess the biggest thing I learned that it. Learned about it that you're lucky -- this stick to your guns and and be convicted. Have conviction when he talked about it. And you know and see what happens just. As too unpredictable. But there's factors that. Knowledge factors but. Intangibles about players. And sometimes you can't just on on one line like that so much. Then. You know it just it just manifest -- bench that that should progressives I think it's. Stronger he develops mentally and physically. Goes to the crime about -- Knows what he has student. Compete against the best in the country hands as opposed to a little town. And you know like mobile content and and -- it takes about a or any. It just he exceeds. And that's what he did it. Talking with mark wasn't -- now a member of the Red Sox front office team but the area scout who signed Jake Peavy back with the Padres. Please remind me when did you when did you how how long did you remain with the Padres. Far and I spent five years where it's. Kevin towers -- -- director of their when I was work intranet apparently training. And I establish relationship. A set and -- some independently players. And -- -- not already made me these are discounted up. And that's spent five years with them before. We have got the job over Boston it brought me over with a. So that being the case and we -- came over for the 2003 season. Are overt or others who when he came over as of Wear and tear came over his assistant GM. Or -- out. So from afar so then -- TV's Major League debut I believe was in the 2002 season when you would come over presumably to the Red Sox. -- what's that like for a -- when you have you know obviously you have this. This personal investment in the guy's career and yet you know because of the nature of the industry you're in a different organization. Are you still able to -- you still able to experience. You know the kind of the same thrill you know that that kind of thrill of watching -- TV's career unfolding from afar with a Major League debut whether winning the ERA title for the first time in 2004. Winning the Cy Young award in 2006. How much does that mean how gratifying is that two out. Who who spends a lot of time maybe not necessarily in in the spotlight for the for the hard work its done. You know -- if it's -- and not a great deal to me that the kid was able. Make a living at this jail which is so hard -- -- and and all that but just say -- I I was. He HE it my expectations by so much you know -- and I can't sit recognized. What you know how liked it better from -- as far as you know who say yeah. Come back a lot although it'll just change around what that that's the luck of the draw that she wanted to signs. Recognized fact that she did wanna play professional baseball writer what are. And to get into. -- -- took more than the typical shift change grounder. You know looking back -- it it it there's there's I have a scouting director that wanted to let me. Have the money to spend on a guy like. There's so many variables that. You know you're looking back how how that happened. But I guess you know that there is no question. How how gratifying does that make it's that you actually you actually read. Apprehend a comeback and and but potentially help. The Red Sox get into the playoffs and who knows how -- past that is just. It's it's it's it's almost a full circle. That was -- that was kind of good to be the last the last area that I went with his -- with this line of questioning. I'm over the course of over the course of the last couple weeks when the idea of of pursuing Jake. Who became. You know clearly a Red Sox priority right he emerged pretty clearly has as about the top target that you guys could have in terms of the fit for what you guys were trying to accomplish. Both an accomplished starting pitcher. In someone who has signed beyond the 2002 and put it beyond the 2013 season. How how much were you involved in the conversations about whether or not to acquire Jake. And and how much fun because it just for you to think about you know -- I finally might be in the same organization. As him when he's in the major leagues. Well that that would be in front that would that would have been on -- from -- as far as. My involvement has very matter of -- and you know that they that this scouting step to regulate staffs. Then all the people in the front office. You know there's diligently watched him. Check out his performances and did all that and -- followed years. And those of the guys said. You know which should be she usually gratifying for. Because they put in all the work. And so it's necessary and they put the Red Sox. And in all the scouting people that are in our organization that it -- light and hopefully see. Is as good as advertised and it helps. But -- all -- also records results early -- I feel like he's going to help us. And think the fans -- like Jake Peavy. Mark -- -- thank you so much for joining this has been terrific to think back to the back story of the origins of -- beat his career. You know and Doug but he kind of emergence of really a guy whose son has enjoyed a pretty incredible career. Appreciate chairman on the show and I was say it's it's -- hold up but have been distracted here watch. And here at Syracuse,. New York. Turn up next JP. That's -- -- but you clearly multitask well since everything's been crystal clear I think you -- again mark. It out here. The reputation of -- Bogart has proceeded to twenty year old shortstop to the big leagues and with good reason. -- is dominating in AAA level or is seven years younger than the average position player. Given that performance how do you get to the Red Sox in the first place to answer that we check in with Michael lord who is the international start responsible for the search. It entries Bogart's of the Red Sox as a sixteen year old. In 2009. We'll start with this. Given what he's become how does Michael lowered the scout who signs -- Bogart's. Explain why there wasn't a line around Aruba to get a glimpse of this remarkable young prospect. That that the great question. You know it's amazing that when -- first got there. And thought okay outburst on the silence in this guy's answer was no so. Some good things happened. You know -- -- -- you know the tough job -- Rubens. The beach and then. You know go out of the ballpark but. -- the story that you know goes where we came -- you know -- around the islands and luckily I had. Soccer style group almost all the places along the Mexican as a lot not all fun and games sticker shock Mexico where it. Yeah -- well those those -- well I thought that. There are -- a remote knowledge one place to land to Newt that is -- you know the drug cartels were going to be shoot at Aruba. It's it's. Yeah I think if had to get a quote get familiar like so period grew up. So we we attitude and work out and bad first date. Little ballpark and right here the Big Brother. And about seven guys. Showed up and you know look at it -- typical work out at all. You know turn over -- try to find another it and you know most that you go to Google and what -- that they hate to date that they are on someone. Almost Asia like while I get out all -- and -- you can get caught in trying to -- players and which is did. So that they're all I hear he comes out among the rest and he had a couple months and all the options he opened. He's started you know on that topic that you haven't shied integrated. Big smile. Big lovable Teddy bears and he got talked about rather you know I'll -- the worst where the and Zander and he's sick with the chicken pox aside. So we got to talk a little bit more and you know so I have. Talked to some of the parents and and different coaches and -- while it is standard he's maybe the we've seen a lot. And -- -- you know what -- jagr was okay and he did you do -- well -- opposite field power. With Nike created at the end he was big -- to capture. Are we thought well you know you've got to be kind of a pretty. -- that that proxy Hartley moved around him he looked like you could pick it up yet to reverse that. That's our. -- -- -- -- going to be questioned that. So the back today -- target pocket after the game after the work out. I think you guys know lateral collateral it Bianco Clinton dropped call yet. Straight guys happy and the whole battle isn't completely happy group ever since Andrew the -- the sweetheart. Big mama bear she is you rules over there group. At that she's great and so we. Well I got probably glad when I got talked about baseball it was a big baseball -- actually pretty knowledgeable about the game and he -- recite a line up I've never did have like this -- for -- though Mike -- I really love this game and he named all the starters Mike -- he was going crazy it was -- starter scored here that won twenty games and he was really. You -- clearly loved the game and he loved as it is is boys and and so there was really intriguing but Carter problem a little bit puts an -- like -- you know here with Evander. So he's like -- -- mama's not let me about chickenpox which I would work out the where we got him there the next day turn pro at the Padres the organization for whom. He won the Cy Young award in 2006. Bogart's meanwhile received a bit more than 400000 dollars as a sixteen year old out of Aruba for years ago. Good money relative to the market to be short but a fraction of what top international -- he's typically receive. So let's get into the process underlying the amateur talent lottery in a couple of cases that hit the jackpot. We'll talk with Michael lord. The international scout whose determination. To get a chicken pox riddled Bogart's out of -- in Aruba may have changed the fortunes of the Red Sox through the rest of the decade. But first. We'll check in with Red Sox special assignment scout mark wasn't here who was responsible for starting peavy in getting him not only drafted by convincing him to turn pro. Let's start with this did mark wasn't your rescue PP from obscurity before getting the Padres have taken in the fifteenth round. Back in 1999 or was he at the time a well known prospect. Took some context it was well on scouting community. And it was scouted -- You get -- a scholarships. Out all Burnett to our. And where she wanted to go to there was issues -- abilities the other summit that. But to clear up the fact that she she was well. -- discussed in there did their job and -- all had seen here so. Step on the table. The strength of the reason it went in the chipped in ground. Is because once you start to get into the middle rounds. It was going to be desirability issue where you know what I'll just go to go to Auburn. So. -- We get an intense round with the Padres I got this -- from north Alabama. And -- so well. Is Jake Jake is still on the board and it says oh yeah I think so so go game four cents. So. He went Beckett and three rounds later. Well the maps -- a twelve round -- rounds later. It's change -- and actual gotcha -- KV civil. There's a great mystery taking actual that's trying to. So. So good -- It will just be clear what kind of stuff have you seen from him when you're gonna see him in in high school how was a video of this kind of forced his way. To get that scholarship offer at Auburn and tuck in was getting that's getting attention. Well objected overstretched and in our schools that are different. Has stopped its opt out of that 91 from may. Maybe most cal cup more than but that's what I got and I had like -- fast already. And it had to search will break in body and very good changeup so. He had to get outs so that's very attracted to colleges. As well as a pro game but. To insert -- you know like when he went out won the Cy Young. Here's 196. And just beat it with a fastball it was more pitch ability school. That really didn't strike justice means. He carved up we're limited in out. Don't not conscious functional. But he didn't show the big stuff that he had you know he developed throughout minor leagues and then an imaginary. The the idea of a pitch ability guy in high school strikes me is such a difficult hype to it says scout right because. You know high school hitters against pitchers if there's a pitcher who has advanced feel for pitching at -- young an age. Given that you don't meet you probably don't have the same kind of advance cat and mouse game in high school that you would in. In an SEC setting or something. That that would be difficult to project whether or not a guy has the stuff. To play in the minor leagues -- in over whether or not he's just you know he's just ahead in terms of the sequences that sort of thing. Think yeah he's he's definitely has been currency and -- -- and is it did translate united. Just got finished. Basically. -- played -- and managing. And independent league and and he he would have to view -- as those guys at worst you know -- and their careers are just. So. For me it translated -- its ability translated to the pro level. And I think there is more than -- -- scouts that would agree. As she did the kind of background -- make up work on him what did you find out about him -- permitted him to have such an advanced feel for pitching and understanding for the game. That is a good question and it is so -- quite a bit and actors. But he called happy. Like that it did it to me. As ground and Jews. News Jim Warren's expertise and I know it was a big baseball trying to influence. Enjoy actual election. You know I get to speak to him and games and -- and -- little bit and then -- the channel they just. And wished that the game and and -- just had a desire I don't know exactly. Why he knew and how he knew that are certainly better be better off talked about such. He had it -- And he had it is so -- now so. The results are or what they are. Do you see that -- and he's he's known as as a ferocious competitor. Did you see that in high school that kind of mound presence or at that point. What's his performance such that. You know maybe maybe he wasn't being challenged in -- way that was going to bring in out in the same kind of dramatic talking and yelling to himself fashion that you now see at the big league level. -- that's. Yeah that's. That's what set him apart served from every other right hander Y area. And by the way he did mention what I signed and that populist thirteen. Right handed pitchers before we -- out. So we always thought that you know all those guys were going to be in trotting out. Well the thing that different change they -- knew he was going to be good and knew it was gonna get guys out. And I district miners that the only thing. That Stanton probably used about those thirteen. Thirteen pitchers I would like for you but they had -- cell that was the only person that stand trial -- so. And that's I think what was the turning point making him think okay. You know it actually maybe maybe reward do what I really wanted to does that play baseball so. But a week later and it up the third call me up but ended up getting chart. So it was it was this really just your view was he your guy or was this -- was he someone. With whom the Padres cross checkers were. Where you know we're quite involved in this negotiation or was this really just view in Jake's family. -- sorting out whether or not his best path. Was to go to college or turn professional. Yeah it was it was made. And Arnold say that it made any bragging way. Cross -- that came and saw him. Throw like two innings. Like at the end of the tendencies and hours kind of like. Prepared for the playoffs and really didn't have anything else to do. So it wasn't like it was like that at all what I do want to say is that. Brad slowed the scouting director believed in me and not to say. All right here's a 100000 dollars -- back -- -- -- is. And being with the Padres a low revenue clubs. Those considerable. In terms of thought in terms of of getting that 100000 dollar commitment you know what was your projection like for him at that point what kind of -- do you have. Both in terms of you know what what kind of grades were you throwing on his stuff. In what kind of what what kind of ceiling and floor where you're defining form has. As a high school kid one of one of the most difficult things to do by the way too attached killing him floor to a guy. Who's pitching against a very -- a different level of competition. Yeah and that's one of the most difficult things like you mentioned that. And I think it's it's always so. You can always look back on things and and realized. How exact you really -- and and in my case how badly I've missed Jake. As the enemy in the sector and I said that he would need a back and starter at study of torched starter but I -- this should -- -- And actually quite surpassed. And outstanding and one -- pitchers in the game or in any certain here are certainly at seven -- Cy Young -- What's it that you had him turned in his as roughly a fourth rounder is that correct. What what does that mean to your mind because then you're you're you know obviously not taking in terms of draft position. Right since you guys got him in the fifteenth round to you what -- what the difference between. First round or second -- -- third rounder and a fourth rounder what what does that mean when you turn guy and say oh he's a fourth round talent. Well at that time. Obviously I was an area scouts I was -- The pool players and mine. Area and what -- you before about what roughly talent goes in which round. Wish -- size and and you know is is. Like -- topped out at ninety wanted to get an average curveball and change. And so she was in the average range wasn't. Which sets him apart at that -- -- is his make up is mental approach is. As ferocious as as -- -- so. -- ultra mate that that that elevated up into the fourth -- area and you know obviously it shows how inexact art business says because if if anybody could have predicted that it would have been Cy Young award -- Well then obviously they would apparent much higher. And -- They would be the best scouting guru in the world right now on derby you know it's just it's something that you just can't quantify. You know it. You just don't know that there's a lot of unknown but what what what what are their currency. At a lot of heart as -- was good and and the ground based ball trying to get a major Lachey -- what it took to get there -- And -- Jewish day. When did you start to think -- start to get people in the Padres organization telling you. This this guy might have been a nice little fine for us he might he might outperform that fourth term projection a little bit. You know -- had watched what you organization gets summoned and most of the armed. The money that you gave mart where they went really doesn't matter to assist what can you do. And I think they they realized pretty quickly what Jake. I mean you went out just absolutely -- as a rookie and I think it's -- in three years is a bit late so. Yeah cheap. He got people out he struck people he got better. It stopped improving gets stronger. Groups I mean are all those factors. And combination worse. Now as -- thought goodness her Geithner quit. And and he's been good and yet look back. So you know kind of -- with the benefit of hindsight you know fourteen years after having seen him as an amateur. You know did it does to assimilate Jake Peavy change the way in which you you know change the way in which you say you. Kind of wait certain things you know whether it's though because he has pitching acumen. You know there's a chance for him to move fast or you know or or. It how he note insofar as. And insofar as he's a guy who you know for whom you didn't have you didn't have the perfect crystal ball you obviously do a good job. Of evaluating both you know the fact that yet a potential Major -- future in the fact that he was signed a ball and that you could get it done. But you know what what lessons do you draw as a doubt from from a guy like Jake Peavy. I guess basically. What I Drew Coleman is. And and again I have an extensive background in baseball sorry I don't let. Know what I like and know what what it took to not only get there but to stay in and what -- players are and identified it early which error and then there's times -- wrong as well. But you know you get you really have to trust your instincts as a scout. And and they were agreement which and it there's been other cases of that happening to. Where I was right and ordinary and if you can't sort of more than -- country that's wrong as well. So I guess the biggest thing I learned that it. Learned about it that you're lucky -- this stick to your guns and and be convicted. Have conviction when he talked about it. And you know and see what happens just. As too unpredictable. But there's factors that. Knowledge factors but. Intangibles about players. And sometimes you can't just on on one line like that so much. Then. You know it just it just manifest -- bench that that should progressives I think it's. Stronger he develops mentally and physically. Goes to the crime about -- Knows what he has student. Compete against the best in the country hands as opposed to a little town. And you know like mobile content and and -- it takes about a or any. It just he exceeds. And that's what he did it. Talking with mark wasn't -- now a member of the Red Sox front office team but the area scout who signed Jake Peavy back with the Padres. Please remind me when did you when did you how how long did you remain with the Padres. Far and I spent five years where it's. Kevin towers -- -- director of their when I was work intranet apparently training. And I establish relationship. A set and -- some independently players. And -- -- not already made me these are discounted up. And that's spent five years with them before. We have got the job over Boston it brought me over with a. So that being the case and we -- came over for the 2003 season. Are overt or others who when he came over as of Wear and tear came over his assistant GM. Or -- out. So from afar so then -- TV's Major League debut I believe was in the 2002 season when you would come over presumably to the Red Sox. -- what's that like for a -- when you have you know obviously you have this. This personal investment in the guy's career and yet you know because of the nature of the industry you're in a different organization. Are you still able to -- you still able to experience. You know the kind of the same thrill you know that that kind of thrill of watching -- TV's career unfolding from afar with a Major League debut whether winning the ERA title for the first time in 2004. Winning the Cy Young award in 2006. How much does that mean how gratifying is that two out. Who who spends a lot of time maybe not necessarily in in the spotlight for the for the hard work its done. You know -- if it's -- and not a great deal to me that the kid was able. Make a living at this jail which is so hard -- -- and and all that but just say -- I I was. He HE it my expectations by so much you know -- and I can't sit recognized. What you know how liked it better from -- as far as you know who say yeah. Come back a lot although it'll just change around what that that's the luck of the draw that she wanted to signs. Recognized fact that she did wanna play professional baseball writer what are. And to get into. -- -- took more than the typical shift change grounder. You know looking back -- it it it there's there's I have a scouting director that wanted to let me. Have the money to spend on a guy like. There's so many variables that. You know you're looking back how how that happened. But I guess you know that there is no question. How how gratifying does that make it's that you actually you actually read. Apprehend a comeback and and but potentially help. The Red Sox get into the playoffs and who knows how -- past that is just. It's it's it's it's almost a full circle. That was -- that was kind of good to be the last the last area that I went with his -- with this line of questioning. I'm over the course of over the course of the last couple weeks when the idea of of pursuing Jake. Who became. You know clearly a Red Sox priority right he emerged pretty clearly has as about the top target that you guys could have in terms of the fit for what you guys were trying to accomplish. Both an accomplished starting pitcher. In someone who has signed beyond the 2002 and put it beyond the 2013 season. How how much were you involved in the conversations about whether or not to acquire Jake. And and how much fun because it just for you to think about you know -- I finally might be in the same organization. As him when he's in the major leagues. Well that that would be in front that would that would have been on -- from -- as far as. My involvement has very matter of -- and you know that they that this scouting step to regulate staffs. Then all the people in the front office. You know there's diligently watched him. Check out his performances and did all that and -- followed years. And those of the guys said. You know which should be she usually gratifying for. Because they put in all the work. And so it's necessary and they put the Red Sox. And in all the scouting people that are in our organization that it -- light and hopefully see. Is as good as advertised and it helps. But -- all -- also records results early -- I feel like he's going to help us. And think the fans -- like Jake Peavy. Mark -- -- thank you so much for joining this has been terrific to think back to the back story of the origins of -- beat his career. You know and Doug but he kind of emergence of really a guy whose son has enjoyed a pretty incredible career. Appreciate chairman on the show and I was say it's it's -- hold up but have been distracted here watch. And here at Syracuse,. New York. Turn up next JP. That's -- -- but you clearly multitask well since everything's been crystal clear I think you -- again mark. It out here. The reputation of -- Bogart has proceeded to twenty year old shortstop to the big leagues and with good reason. -- is dominating in AAA level or is seven years younger than the average position player. Given that performance how do you get to the Red Sox in the first place to answer that we check in with Michael lord who is the international start responsible for the search. It entries Bogart's of the Red Sox as a sixteen year old. In 2009. We'll start with this. Given what he's become how does Michael lowered the scout who signs -- Bogart's. Explain why there wasn't a line around Aruba to get a glimpse of this remarkable young prospect. That that the great question. You know it's amazing that when -- first got there. And thought okay outburst on the silence in this guy's answer was no so. Some good things happened. You know -- -- -- you know the tough job -- Rubens. The beach and then. You know go out of the ballpark but. -- the story that you know goes where we came -- you know -- around the islands and luckily I had. Soccer style group almost all the places along the Mexican as a lot not all fun and games sticker shock Mexico where it. Yeah -- well those those -- well I thought that. There are -- a remote knowledge one place to land to Newt that is -- you know the drug cartels were going to be shoot at Aruba. It's it's. Yeah I think if had to get a quote get familiar like so period grew up. So we we attitude and work out and bad first date. Little ballpark and right here the Big Brother. And about seven guys. Showed up and you know look at it -- typical work out at all. You know turn over -- try to find another it and you know most that you go to Google and what -- that they hate to date that they are on someone. Almost Asia like while I get out all -- and -- you can get caught in trying to -- players and which is did. So that they're all I hear he comes out among the rest and he had a couple months and all the options he opened. He's started you know on that topic that you haven't shied integrated. Big smile. Big lovable Teddy bears and he got talked about rather you know I'll -- the worst where the and Zander and he's sick with the chicken pox aside. So we got to talk a little bit more and you know so I have. Talked to some of the parents and and different coaches and -- while it is standard he's maybe the we've seen a lot. And -- -- you know what -- jagr was okay and he did you do -- well -- opposite field power. With Nike created at the end he was big -- to capture. Are we thought well you know you've got to be kind of a pretty. -- that that proxy Hartley moved around him he looked like you could pick it up yet to reverse that. That's our. -- -- -- -- going to be questioned that. So the back today -- target pocket after the game after the work out. I think you guys know lateral collateral it Bianco Clinton dropped call yet. Straight guys happy and the whole battle isn't completely happy group ever since Andrew the -- the sweetheart. Big mama bear she is you rules over there group. At that she's great and so we. Well I got probably glad when I got talked about baseball it was a big baseball -- actually pretty knowledgeable about the game and he -- recite a line up I've never did have like this -- for -- though Mike -- I really love this game and he named all the starters Mike -- he was going crazy it was -- starter scored here that won twenty games and he was really. You -- clearly loved the game and he loved as it is is boys and and so there was really intriguing but Carter problem a little bit puts an -- like -- you know here with Evander. So he's like -- -- mama's not let me about chickenpox which I would work out the where we got him there the next day

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