May 9, 2013|
Jeff Passan who broke the story regarding the substance used by Clay Buchholz in Toronto joined the show to discuss its impact. Jeff told the guys that while one definitely gains an advantage from using the tacky substance it does not rise to the level of cheating.
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It has the fourth and final hour Dennis and Callahan and I posed the question as we get to talk with -- pass and from Yahoo! Sports. Do recent events we talk about mental toughness in terms of hockey players in the National Hockey League and certainly in the Stanley Cup Playoffs who recent events with the Red Sox baseball team. Indicate there is a lot of mental toughness and by that I mean. The day after the start after. Clay Buchholz is accused of doctoring the baseball was something on his arm he has his worst pitching performance of the season. But it wasn't to rent it wasn't dreadful -- not saying that -- by his standards it was clearly the worst performance in his seven starts. Also on the day after David Ortiz is questioned by Dan Shaughnessy. About using PED's. Davidson hitting streak comes to an does that indicate a lack of that what they lack the mental toughness that may be ability to get guys off of their games by getting into their heads. All I know -- -- Ortiz goes into a little -- and yeah. Chauncey but -- watch -- putts all -- to be his -- I just pass -- from Yahoo! Sports joins us and he enters the fray with a yeah very interesting piece about clay buckled and it's sort of a new theory good morning Jeff Loria. Yeah we're doing very very well it if I understand your story correctly why you cite sources that point out a third substance on plays arm. It seems to me and correct me if I'm wrong. It exonerates clay at least from the suspicion of doctoring the baseball with a foreign substance is that accurate. Yeah -- -- which is mare you know what I don't understand about this whole thing would be in big events that coming from him about it. I suppose if you were to come out and say. Yet sunscreen on my arm and what you mix it with resident makes really tacky. Glue like substance that allows you to grip the ball better. And pitchers know that across baseball they do it and hitters know that pitchers do it and nobody seems to have a problem. You know this whole thing if there were just a little more transparency. Him that's funny word used because -- for our country goes on so transparently if there were a little more transcript here. Dirk Ayers is not a villain for pointing this out there in dirt -- frankly. Gave us all in much better insight. Into the game. Jack Morris -- something stupid. They -- -- -- -- it's just not right as the big hitters and the pitchers will agree. That you do not get any weird movement based on using bull frog. Opt what struck. But for Clay Buchholz -- to continue to go out of practice say that there is nothing on his arm -- in the process of powder. His arm looked like it was it console well I mean it was back. And it was egregious and that's -- pitchers with it -- spoke like you know what if you're -- -- at least be Smart about it. And and I used the word -- very loosely because you know it's just probably really achieving all. That's that would -- -- to the next question is enhancing your grip with this combination this concoction against the rules of baseball -- Now it's not right architect Courtney of Major League Baseball yesterday and it is you know he gave me quoted the at the end of the story that I used that. If you -- sit there and it makes sense he said we will look into any foreign substance that's being used to doctor ball. Q what he didn't say is we will look into Bulls are excited screamed to the Howard doctoring the ball that you know if they were actually look incident that exactly what you said. Both baseball considers them -- legal considers throughout the legal and if did you happen to make a -- -- substance that -- some -- ball a little bit better than. I think Major League baseball's OK with that it's one of these sit back for years has been around. There's just so happened that one and -- that if you look back Yu Darvish is near perfect game earlier this year against Houston he's gone to the left arm all the time and you know people I think noticed that but. That oil slick out his arm just wasn't merely is evidence that was a -- as an adult life. And it's not creating movement on the ball likened traditional splitter it's just giving them out. You know what it's doing it hell. Don't don't mistake it like does quite a bit because it is it in two ways number wide. If you feel like you've got a good grip on the -- achieved pitchers out there. Struggling. When they can't get a grip on the ball OK just couldn't get a good Kryptonite the ball too slick whatever -- they have it but if you get a good grip on the ball you are you are more confident throwing it any particular pitch. In the arm that the longer ball stays in your hand. It's like the same period. You know belong purple days under bat hard you're gonna have a longer Ball State not your hand. The bettors -- apartment so whether that getting. You know our rpm -- fastball or are getting a tighter spin on your Berger. Letting your changer for and deeper it here and be more confident with that it helps with each of these pitchers that put. There are I think the main point here is. Everybody uses this stuff is so Clay Buchholz isn't getting committee and the -- competitive advantage over his peers are these. In your in your research for the piece did you get any theories on. Why -- has been I'm almost unhittable this year. He's been really good at nothing to do with the stuff that arm. Could stop tenacity and his stuff. Have a lot of natural movement through it as long record -- hope it's healthy and around the strike zone is gonna be a bit. It is better now has been on strike them in the past it's just how did you finish. I just think that he's you know he's at that age right now where he realizes his career and beer one -- two -- can go down. Superstar government can go -- happen. -- all the potential in the world and threw it away. And I think John Ferrell returns I think Josh Beckett and that. That it created this confluence that play oracle is turning into that star. With just passing Yahoo! Sports and Jeff or are we about to find out what this Red Sox team is really made of they've lost five of six but to get injuries to both of their closers they're both on the DL. Middle Brooks and roster up probably for not that long bench Arlington told us this is when you find out what your team is is is all about. Get up and and he's right in the know what did Baltimore Orioles are playing really well right now. The Yankees have hung around I still have a lot of faith in Tampa Bay hasn't throughout this probably dead in the water at this point but. There in the American League east that has a lot of good teams and so. Whereas I don't think the Red Sox. Are as good as what their start was. I don't think there is -- they've been playing recently and you know as far as the mental toughness the guys are talking about earlier goes. I I'm not sure I necessarily agree that this team is that mentally -- I think pep -- hole. It's frustrated by this and I suppose in some ways I cannot stand this frustration they'd rather be talking about. Baseball and -- in -- He's big boy he'll deal with it don't get past that which Clay Buchholz was you were regression and when you look at to peripheral numbers set. He had he is strip thing every runner he was not giving up home runs commensurate with this ground ball rate so. I would get a carry one point one area for the rest -- is probably that some more in the get to arches which is you know a lot lower than it is now but still really good -- advantage. David Ortiz has been hitting so well and has had you know with David Ortiz and just look back at where he was three years ago. And now everybody you guys myself fan. Thought he was done and you know what David Ortiz has been through a whole lot of pars TDs that goes -- bothers him. I think he's where by now that there's no sense in letting it linger and letting it affect your game because. That that's always going to be era. Well you're a good healthy cynic Jeff do you think guys are beaten and all the testing is tough much tougher and on the given blood now. Our guys still out there doing the PD's and beaten the system. Old course -- I mean that they don't do blood testing merely frequently. A date yet to catch somebody having taken its future at that point forward 48 hours have a shot. I've -- in their system so of course strategies. It makes sense until you're testing him every day which obviously you're ever gonna do -- so -- expect an even if you did that every. I would still -- that because. It there's billions upon millions of dollars a -- It Melky Cabrera and -- -- last year Melky Cabrera would have that we five million dollar contract drag. 88 at any got caught and he's making a million bucks a year or -- me out. There's money. And -- at least sucked this year and he's been that this year so it just goes it replica surely you can get away with it. And get rich and not just like like reached -- like baseball rich. David Ortiz would say part of the reason for his recent successes he's actually become a better hitter but faster bat speed but a better hitter because he's decided to use the entire field and go to left field do you buy into that theory. -- Yeah I think there's some trees that I think if you look at the spray charts there's something to write as well such. -- -- -- him because I think David Ortiz to give the pitch said he likes is probably -- I think you're going to left field. It out of necessity because his bat is slower. But he he is you know it's like. The 35 year old pitcher who lost three miles up the -- all he did you learn to embrace it and adapt to it that or EU -- -- die. And your career goes away and gave her accuses you know have -- respected figures survivor is a guy who are recognized what was going on with his game and made himself better because it. Jeff you mentioned to Ronald that you think they may be dead in the water of the two all star assembled teams the one in last place in the American League east. And -- one of the last place in the American League west that would be able LA Dodgers which one is more likely to turn around and make something out of the season before all the said and done. -- -- you -- exactly what you mean nationally nationally nationally listed don't we just could very well be about the Angels that's true that's true good point in. In our program and there abducted. I I think the Dodgers. And the Angels are far likelier at this point to pick it up I think. If anyone -- probably be Angels and I know things what desperately bad they're now. Are and I know that their pitching is operated trips -- by. I I just you know I did to Dodgers too because. That division. I don't trust Colorado. I can't resist are really like -- are actually even though they've had. The JJ put injury I I think ultimately. The Angels and the doctors or at least it make it interesting at least get back to 500. Maneuver into contention that. -- it is such an ugly start for all three of those teams their. In. Earlier this week I look back thinker of 14100. Million plus dollar he's out there six of them. Are well under 500 at this point Chicago White Sox. Are the Angels the Phillies the Dodgers. The Blue Jays in the game there's been some ugliness among accuracy -- -- and sort of like what the Red Sox were last year. And so what conclusions can we draw from those threads the connect all those high priced big start teams that are underperforming Jeff. That's a great question you know I I haven't I haven't -- looked -- the commonalities. Among those teams just. Off the top of my head that. It takes a lot of talent right. -- -- Yet there's no question about that there's no question about that because if I mean if you look at the raw talent that a hundred million dollar teams. He you'd think that the doctors. Where it Zack Greinke is Clayton Kershaw on Mac cam in. Carl Crawford and look at it and saying like there. And also RT but. Injuries will occur and what has happened to the Dodgers this year has strictly. Got an unfair everybody involved. -- -- other went into the year the court pitching wise and ultimately I think that's that's what a lot of this comes down to leaps. You can't and you pitch. And the White Sox you know third thirteenth -- here and that but otherwise you have a lot of a lot of bad pitching out there and aren't that bad pitching will come back to bite you in just look where you guys are I mean last year at the pitching was stripped the patient was in question. This year with the stability of Lester buckled -- and you've got an entirely different thing. Well maybe we have to add a new cliche to the old cliche the can't buy happiness may be can't buy a pennant -- good talking to you we appreciate that your -- always a pleasure talking baseball would be Jeff. And our board just -- that from Yahoo! Sports what Dennis and Callahan on the AT&T outline AT&T forgy LT --