Feb 14, 2013|
It's the finale of the Hot Stove Show, Kirk and Alex and briefly Rob are talking about the Red Sox pitching, clubhouse personalities and close it out with some predictions for the season.
Transcript - will not be 100% accurate
All right season finale of the hot stove show. WEEI. Intrigue abounds. People care about -- right I understand but the real mystery is. What happens nine this season finale at Tokyo who dies. Returns bad. The palace intrigue. As we see -- rob Bradford is on his way I believe out -- opens down in Florida hello Alex. I'm I'm hoping that got it to death does not fall and hit it quite daunting look at teaser at the would be like in the -- the -- -- -- starts to. Well great that's the idea that it's not not approach I guess only appropriate for you thank goodness were not a mess and we can tell us what's gone so what are we have what happened today he outscored the two threes or about bullet points from. The day down there. Well I think you know there are there were few in terms of fueled activities and it was pouring here buy dot. It was interesting that certainly Lucchino acknowledged that there's a very great likelihood of the sellout streak comes to an end. In April. He was interest in talking about the other philosophical shift in the organization I'm acknowledging that it existed saying that they drifted away from things like. Emphasizing on base percentage why did that happen he said it's kind of a point where an organization gets too satisfied with the success and essentially. You know stops pushing it's hard when stated. And I also thought that dot it was it was interesting to hear him talk about how much he wanted Cody Ross back. They've done that baseball -- kind of accused him of of needing a -- rosters in some of some of the meetings that they had. An and in terms of budget's kind of nuts and bolts that John Ferrell alluding to the fact that Dustin Pedroia. Might hit third against against lefthanded starters. With David Ortiz occupying that slot of course against. And straight and his interest as well yeah out Lucchino stuff I guess you know. When you look at it when he was saying today. You know legacies sort of non baseball stuff he talked about the so streak is going to and he sings something April that mean I am sure you were there that Shaughnessy stuff the beaches and it came from. Immediate perspective. No comment and that they're nervously looking around immediately after it was a little bit more flair for the dramatic and seemed appropriate. I get it but at the same time. You know this is someone with whom live with him Larry Lucchino has a professional relationship that spans decades literally almost four decades and yeah -- Short and so it is it was kind of you know it was unnecessarily I thought that it was unnecessarily theatrically and if you understand the motivation is having some of these you know and wrote his book takes shots -- chance -- -- the -- probably in Ellsbury showed up today. He showed up in the clubhouse and he'd already been in Fort Myers evidently for a little while after all his plane was struck by lightning that's right that's right I forgot about gas I wouldn't show -- at the park if I'd been struck by lightning -- -- -- Porsche. Media yes and it. During college yeah. But anyway he's he's here he he talked to -- -- talked. About whether or not there was interest in retaining him in both of them off for the kind of latitude -- of course you know there's interest. In staying here beyond when he thirteen that the priority after you're order is -- -- of the construct of the next great Red Sox team that's kind of what they talk -- I think we -- circle Ellsbury -- obviously you know the key guy and you talk about. The potential free agent after this year. The consensus is I think am reading you guys stand Twitter and talking to fans and all this stuff is it's very hard to believe still. Ellsbury can be Red Sox uniform a year from today when they're back now for -- I think that that's that default is probably true although they won't rule it out categorically obviously. What what happens if let's say Jackie Bradley junior suffers a setback. You know what if he has. What he gets injured at some point this coming season what if he underperformed and ends up spending the whole -- to play in his his track starts to look a little bit like Jose Iglesias is. Then all of a sudden you have a different set of variables that are. That kind of entry into the equation depending on what kind of season Ellsbury hasn't what do Pillsbury has another a modest. Season that looks something like let's say his 2009 season. With fewer steals because I don't think he's going to be a seventy steel guy ever again right but someone who gets on base and let's say 35% of the time. Not that much power some power not that much then you know what he's looking at. Something between the Michael -- contract in the BJ Upton contract. With the possibility that his ceiling could be -- of the 2011 Jacoby Els. Fare well here's the thing Alex I mean it's ironic -- the better this season Ellsbury has the less chance he has to be back in Boston extra busier like he had two years ago. I feel like you almost kissing goodbye. Right because then you start to push him up into the you know someone might offer him 567 year contracts and Larry Lucchino said both on the Dennis and Callahan Show I think yesterday as well as in in his session with media today. Those are precisely the iterations that they are trying to avoid day. While they will make exceptions and I think that Dustin Pedroia and a little while could be an interest in case of whether where. The rubber meets the road right government -- they've by and large are trying to avoid commitments of saturation by overpaying for shorter term. Now he talked about the news in your piece yesterday. I'll make up in the clubhouse cultures in the play a factor here in the -- factor always. And with some of the guys -- we've seen today in Canada there's been for the first time I think with you know. A lot of fans listening to -- street bus before and Gomes. These are also been on a -- -- -- well that's quite -- show is awesome Kirk. That's their miseries of the resort -- we found if I took all year I think about it. These are guys who people are going to like now again if the Red Sox -- 21 and 36 and Ryan -- doing Matt following impressions. And you know Johnny Johnny -- -- wacky people are going to be annoyed by but right now the beginning of the year when you're selling your product. -- -- Yeah and you know it's a better combination of talent and ability. Then to my mind at least that existed. Brother talent and character that may be existed last year you remember you know the quote unquote you know. The what seemed like absurd all star break letter that everyone made fun out. You know my Kabila assumed his great enthusiasm and his Xena -- other -- story that didn't seem absurd that I was right well you know so -- -- you know if it was it was -- radio and it was clear that they were putting these guys out in front is the face of the franchise but the problem was you know. My stimulus was Michael -- was a great story but he was a great story who became essentially an average a league average shortstop -- the other in the other things are out is that it was already in the middle of the season it's smelled wrong I mean it was too late. Right in -- right it was a false note it was like well there's there's a lot of disappointed our our starters have been disappointing but don't look over here look over here yeah. Exactly right the bait and switch so. In this case I think that it -- do you think that you know it creates a little bit of intrigue at the outset that all of a sudden it's like oh that's different than. Well we've become accustomed to with the Red Sox over the last year it's too. In terms of just likable personalities but many cases it's you know like ability along with. Along with potentially considerable on field talent now that's no guarantee. As we know you know some of these guys are coming off by their career best year or career worst years and so that makes it a little bit difficult to predict what they are going forward but. If you can match talent -- Interesting characters then that you have a marketable team again all -- -- their 2617779. 793 -- -- hot stove show Dierker -- Alex -- rob Bradford expected to join mr. at some point out is down. In Fort Myers Mike is in the party wants to talk about personalities on the team let's go Obama. Ali thanks yeah I mean -- Don -- as a fan of the team. Personally and it Roland you know it -- different things that personally I didn't want that -- the winning team. Right I don't necessarily care whether there. You know good with the media or you know certainly with the media or our jokes -- areas or pranksters or. Boring or any of that per again as -- may. I just let let them know when I mean heck I'd never hear that -- Gonzales loses you know apparently didn't like stock immediately. To me I think a lot and. They can't we want a winning team right right I mean. I think that's the bottom line and I don't necessarily. You know of course everyone wants that night -- at the root for but what do you really know about these guys anyway I you know I mean just from a couple of interviews that they do are -- yeah. Now Mike you're right Mike you're exactly right Alex here's the thing you know I said earlier today. August 30 2011 nobody is complaining about personality and his team nobody out I disagree I disagree I think. I do yeah it did what one quick thing if -- probably all all like beer and chicken thing. Right nobody cared that they were drinking alcohol and doing shots when they won the World Series in. You know I think it was -- other. Well that was 04 it was it was yen was little different but out of context was way for -- that was like in the spirit of this fun loving wild and it was a resembles a rose to you know guys are putting out on the -- -- -- -- I would say -- I mean from a fan perspective out here when -- thirty over 500 -- the best record the American League. With market got a -- saying we don't like this team that wasn't -- I know I felt -- casual conversation you'd kind of encounter people saying. Yeah you know they're they're good -- boring you know and I think that I do think that you know quite frankly. Some of them some of the ratings indicated is much with regards to. -- -- and studies and all that stuff there. There there was a reason why. Like they wanted by the concluded that it would be great to put a more exciting product on the field you know when they were when they were steam rolling through the rest of baseball but. Up to your point I I agree entirely. But here's the crux of it. This year may well be a kind of a kind of set up your right this may be the launching pad. Into. Very would you consider this piece that I did. Earlier in the week we think they -- and have a good competitive team in 2013. With a chance to have some outstanding teams and when he in 2014 and when he fifteen right. So if that's the case then if you -- able to re engaged. The fan base over the course of you know of this season that you know kind of show promise showed that the organization moving in the right direction and also have the kind of bonus of electability factor. Then it accomplishes a few things one. You know the Red Sox are certainly happy to drawn more people who are able to identify with the players rather than loading them which is what it seemed like they did. For much of last year secondly it makes it more appealing environment potentially when they do kind of dip their toe into the free agent waters. After the 2013 seasons so in other that there -- There's a modest import on a couple of levels the Red Sox recognize that. What faces -- is is really difficult and so from their standpoint they care less about the perception outside the clubhouse. That they wanna create a really good atmosphere inside of it. Because these are a lot of guys were going to be under some pretty heavy scrutiny Chris from Newton has a question person now is humorous statement I guess Chris what's going on. I had to -- replied well what that last caller -- -- and I'd like to do so by comparing ill for championship in the rose seven championship. I I think. Then Neal fourteen as much more likable I think that they had an unbelievable club out and I also think it does matter. Two wins and losses because she let out on. And Angela Merkel indeed other teams that -- might be more talented Gasquet. You know it gives them the drive to worrying. Yeah more yeah Chris I I you know I don't know I think outs and that's always tough for me it's it's easy to say in retrospect but there -- teams I'm almost certain. -- seventy in 92 you know mid market teams small market teams get along famously bunch of nice guys and no one ever talks about because it was 792. Sure although the question is whether or not their underperforming at seventeen in 92 if they like their workplace environment I knowledge visit to. You know just think about you're like people's day to day lives you know I used to work in. You know in an office. In in a couple different capacities and I always found that you know I have my work productivity. Was much better when I was enjoying my job as opposed to when I hated it. And I would like to think that I would I would think if that's true of of most people you know and when you're in a good frame of mind. In approaching your job you tend to execute it well. And so I think that it's a means of maximizing the talents of a roster in order create a good by creating a good workplace environment. 61777979837. Is the phone number you can text 37937. -- hand out -- expect rob Bradford. The Jonas journal while quick break quota to -- the -- the calls and we'll ask this question we finished with the 20122013. Offseason was -- offseason attention look like this Red Sox seems to -- -- rebuild that we get back. Every year you become. With a chip on your shoulder. -- -- the highest level on it didn't change my work ethic. You don't often are you are trained as hard. As always do so for me it's you know it's still saying. That's Jacoby Ellsbury. As he faces his final year here. And we face Alex our final. Couple segments on the hot -- show. Parting is such sweet sorrow is -- it though really really is never felt so. Suite -- in sorrow pull the same time. Are you gonna breaking with Carolina -- you know we're not -- Okay our rob record is stuck in gridlock so he would join us hopefully for the last segment seems about right out it is. Well you promised mystery and -- on the uncertainty surrounding -- arrival side is going to deliberate that's true I guess so. L.'s regular guys and groups of talk about next season it's now that we're here in. Next offseason is not something that you can sort of -- usually say that's the early computers well the way this team is built right now Alex I mean it's something it. Is worth looking at even you know twelve months in advance. I think so because certain. Only the team was built with an -- towards the fact that. The seasons beyond when he thirteen are very important to the Red Sox that's not to say that they're you know that their punting on when he thirteen day. Obviously invested a ton of money into trying to build. -- -- a a -- and competitive team that you know some things break right -- it would have a chance to be pretty good you know into -- make a run at things. The jet that it the blue jays and yankees for instance have terrible -- if they have a couple of injuries there are pretty bad shape the Red Sox could LeapFrog the -- -- they look worse on paper but. Beyond the 25 and other Major League roster I'm not sure that's if that's that's the case but you know all that as a preface. To say that the Red Sox built what they did for 2013. Without with being very mindful of not sacrificing any assets. For 2014 and beyond they might have if they have seen. An opportunity to get a guy like Mike Stanton in the trade market this off he's a guy don't yet he's a guy whose body is -- he is right now he's another guy that you look at the 20151617. They were done for -- not for exactly and offer exactly because he was the long term guy I am totally for that reason I'm a little surprised that. There they weren't more aggressive on a guy like Justin Upton although I don't think the Diamondbacks were -- interest it and some of the guys. Whom the Red Sox might have moved. But -- -- so I I think it is relevant to think about. You know what have -- put themselves in position to do beyond when he thirteen right in addition to what they position themselves to do. And when he territory look at this team let's just let's just play this game and say they're good this year -- there in the mix up Buchholz is good Lester is good. You know the -- an offense they relatively healthy and -- trade deadline they are right there you know if they're not one of the two teams that are within reasonable legitimate contention. There is no way right that they're going to trade one of these guys one of these prospects even if there's a guy at the deadline you know -- can help them for a year to that Yucca -- Disagree and think that you know they they would if if if they are in contention if they find -- you know that things are are kind of jelling NA NA fashion it's meaningful. Then you know then they would be if it's the right piece who would be available for the long term. It would just be at a kind of win now let's say and I don't brag -- David and perhaps it right my my guess my my thing was a guy who's in LP for years to Barack. Right they're not going to they're not gonna give up a top prospect now they might have actually have a pretty good a pretty good while the prospects. Especially pitching prospects who give them some. Flexibility to make various deals it would be kind of short term oriented. I don't know I think they might -- kind of the top level that talent. Guys like. Guys like an Alan Webster and die in a -- arms repeat Delores and when you think about it. Those three meaningful -- not all of those guys are going to end up being impacted league players in all likelihood. And -- it's up to them to figure out which ones will and which ones won't betrayed once. Who won't while their value is higher than what they're going to be for the big league team and -- that's why I don't know why next offseason you know for giving me Ellsbury thing. It's 2 o'clock different these guys just signed for three years these prospects are still you know it -- you're not going anywhere. So I don't know I mean what's going to be the big movement stuff. They're gonna know a lot more about these prospects one more year from some of these guys are relatively immune system remember Jackie Bradley junior has played when pro season now on Webster has pitched two games for the Red Sox at this point. Matt Barnes is played one -- season they're gonna know a lot more about. To help which guys are expendable which guys aren't. They're going to know much more precisely which guys are close to the big leagues in which guys aren't. And you know as they continue to have guys move up the latter. You have guys in doubt we're going to start -- like Brandon Workman who's I think going to become a pretty interesting prospect by the time by this time you know in let's say four months from now. Anyway you're -- -- there there's a chance they'll have a deeper while the prospects they're going to be closer to being the team they wannabe. In terms of being. You know a force rather -- a team that you know I was hoping for some things to break right. In order to contend again so next I I think that if if everything goes according to their blueprint. Next off season they're going to be in position to be. More aggressive because they're gonna have a bigger prospect pool. In the value of quote unquote going forward the likelihood that there one guy away rather than like four guys away. Would give them greater motivation to make a trade. -- -- -- -- from Bedford junior is a question for he went up. Because turned down -- -- -- with a repeat plants. 6177797937. Is your phone number 3793 -- at tech's actual on the Texas Whoopi was gonna ask he's wondering. Who's going to be the leader of this baseball team again -- is sit there with chemistry I think sometimes. He's a grown man. -- feel pretty 32 year old is considered listen to a 29 year old. Tell what to do -- -- -- good team they're good team and leadership. Professional sports to -- sometimes is overeating or at port the very least argue the fine. Yeah well I think that I honestly think that there's something to be said for not having captains and sports I've always thought that it's. An odd thing to -- identified publicly. One person. To leave because I do think that it you know it and creates odd dynamics. When other people are also capable leadership and you know why aren't they captains too and all that sort of thing. As so just as a working model adds it's a weird thing that. I think that. The the thing that is becoming apparent about you know about so many of the players they're wiring is they all have you know have reputations being. High energy guys with far reaching passion for the game. I do think that Dustin Pedroia is always going to be looked at as a quote unquote leader by virtue of the fact that he will. Invariably. Invest everything in his capacity to win on any given night he and then you know I think they wanted to find other guys. Who have that similar all out kind of balls to the wall approach you know guys like the victory -- of the world who you know who cares so much and we'll and a -- quote unquote -- Hawaiian crashes and waltzing. You know a guy like Jonny Gomes in in Mike Napoli who treat their at bats -- life and death experiences kind of in the -- -- fashion or you are buying into -- John Lackey but just physically but with the media the whole thing. I think that there's a lot of opportunity to reflect what you have a year like the when he did recovering from injuries so. I would -- right I am pro the idea that people have the capacity to change. So yeah I'll buy into it because I'm an optimist by nature. Here's the thing guys that visiting a key point about right now it's well it's February 14. What happens when John Lackey starts at Fenway and you know me. Is up seven runs into in the third it's booed off the amount comes back is thirty you guys who won a -- question isn't like. Yeah it's it's a fair question whether or not you know whether or not you can learn patience and learned the ability to. React differently and in this kind of tense moments that demand immediate reaction. I don't know the answer that question you know I do you think that they're people are -- are capable of growth. And change and you know until until it proves otherwise you know by virtue of the fact that he's committed to doing so. I think that it's it's fair to give the benefit of the doubt -- into at least wait and see how he reacts. Rather than assuming that regressed speaking Lackey might in the cars a question about Red Sox -- what do you mean before the break Mike I don't. I don't guys like Alex someone that you a couple of names -- I've been here for a few years the ball like -- -- But that Matt Barnes and Renato and I thought both guys are up and coming on what's distort what a story it would be our pitching prospects that. -- also have a plethora pitching in the -- miners are they on the way up off. Yeah well I think did with remodeled a special exception he had a very good full professionals debut in 2011 but he last year was -- was a loss for him. By virtue of injuries he barely got to sell. So that was that was market. But Matt Barnes last year his first full probe was his first professional season. He was drafted in 2011 and he showed that you know he showed a really good fastball as a starter and fastball command the potential for a curveball and changeup that can be. In the case of the changeup at least lead averaged curve ball that could be potentially. Above average if that if that clicks -- he's a number three starter. I think the Red Sox humans as likely that but he still probably a full year away. The guys were interesting and -- more advanced than him. Include Brandon Workman like alluded to earlier he was a 2010 -- very durable very consistent last year in in high in double -- he might he might be a guy who you'll see up at the end of the season. Great Britain has really good stuff. I've been hearing great things about Alan Webster one of the guys -- the Red Sox acquired in the trade with the Dodgers. As a guy with just unbelievable stuff I mean just jaw dropping stuff. Commander of the question mark if we can command and he suddenly kind of creates these these ideas of -- Kevin Brown takes ceiling. For those who don't view Kevin Brown as a punchline you'll understand that you know incredibly high praise sure nasty nasty sinker great secondary stuff. And -- dollar says the guy who else -- about -- trade I'm really high octane fastball really good changeup when he is healthy and on. How he's -- be brought along slowly this year because he's coming back from Tommy John and hasn't thrown a lot of innings many agencies and by. -- the Red Sox have you know have handful of guys were kind of high ceiling I would say. At least baseline as kind of a number four projection for them number four starter. And the potential to be you know kind of in the 32 in in Webster if everything goes right he could be a number one's -- mr. Della Rosa. But that would require some nice things happen for them from player development standpoint -- Break we get back last couple minutes of the hot stove showed -- some predictions here this upcoming Red Sox season hopefully rob -- will be joining us we'll find out we get back. Final couple minutes of the hot stove show before we give way to Mikey Adams and John Ryder. Award winning award winning play out well. All like him our show notably years you've ever been around long and if what rookie of the year -- -- -- like to. I don't -- so I guess I got the mommy awards. From every year. Firm from my whole career I've got one the mommy were member means my mom likes of sports and Nike Nike Adams your -- Alex Alex Beers here. Alex -- story on TV body at 8 o'clock this morning and you looked. You were better percent of the usually -- when you walk in here for the the hot -- show. -- the -- is just a downhill slope for me typically to sell it yes I mean you're getting me at my -- -- -- which today was amidst the humidity in the running down incisions sweating because a lot of people. Didn't he may be a lot of people erupt now did you hear you're Dennis Kelly Asia today at 8:8 o'clock in the morning could you just give Kirk made him a quick Donald -- -- Why don't you tune in to the Dennis and Callahan -- tomorrow morning that again big mystery out she tweeted during the break his will rob Bradford being studio TC rob -- he's gone he's not accurate sugar. Don't get rob -- on the phone is Apple's. -- Where you where are you. I don't -- -- on assignment that. They didn't know I'm honest I'm very. You -- pretty popular -- steely -- sugar crisp. I a couple of minutes guys we're gonna do predictions you all for round -- real quick Mikey on the games and Wednesday's 86 Alex. Bill 87 price is right style the area in a one up -- me rob. In the war drawer and I say 76. 76 -- the basics earlier under will there at such a debate in season move Ellsbury it would you know you know and you see those Red Sox -- big season for future big big. Help help -- qualify yeah it's gonna depend if he sucks yes the book each Ian UBS no answer yet it's a yes they would Alex. -- -- I'd say. It's not an adult -- but they will make some sort of moved. All four of these short term guys. If they drew -- -- Julio -- well figure tackle because some of his contract. So -- -- so it's got yelled very healthy now. And I guess they grow big -- -- won the big ones are no no I know that the couple are thought I want to make the playoffs and it's. But 86 to do what you -- a couple of cars. More than believes that their every single team in the American League east this year when exactly 86 games out the welcome to have an extra week between the playoff just to settle back crap. It -- they survived after that would be the play out. Yes Catholics who know all AL west thinks that the presence of the doormat no -- -- I was gonna open it up for everybody -- a hundred rob. -- -- -- they did make the playoffs I think Toronto Blue Jays. Not contractually obligated to make that they are going to win the division. I say the -- case. I say no as well as the biggest surprise in the team this year nobody stalk them on right now has a good year last year was probably Ross who's gonna be this year. Shane Victorino. You know why he's gonna win a gold glove out there right -- and ray Roman and expansive right field in holiday and he's gonna hit he's gonna hit 326. Alex. Napoli. Where is that with big big. I think Napoli has I think aptly puts up Somalis some big power numbers like -- here comes closer 2000. 2011 and 2000 -- rob. I'll go look like good body else credibility service. -- -- There -- you know I threw it out we did that if you that he beat it into a good team in baseball but. He could be a very very important job because you brought worries me a little bit. Okay now. Does listen there's no there's no about it approximately lack of wealth for attendees here I'll start with you might as you mentioned a couple during last spring was your favorite moment it's a show that's coming to a I think it was the night that -- that rob Bradford didn't show up in the studio could because he has stuck in traffic that was dispersants such funny stuff. I didn't get -- -- -- it's -- throughout the -- radar dynamite that little bit the door. Got a lot of excitement peaks and apparently -- service thrown up around 88 irony this -- the exact what do you think Alex. Clearly when Boris Whitman -- kind of has introduced himself you -- had a Adam. People like you Boris Yeltsin. He's always. -- left him a question and he responded to Alex and rob that's never rob. All of a little abuse a bit the first word was uttered I mean I -- Think what every emotion. I would say we pretended to do with Thanksgiving show we actually did before you've done that more than what you do during the during the the blizzard Nemo no adult top forty show it sank which -- Nemo one of them was. I mean I don't know Thanksgiving helping it benefit ratio was Alex's stand however I was only listening that's why it was up how many Geronimo and it's going out -- is you can't even drive to the governor says stay off the roads and -- -- guys can't committed to an hour -- what's what's -- -- -- -- -- quote I want it low that it might complain about. -- Well all right guys. Well Alex rob spent fun. Hope we will see each other again someday down the line model today season want a hot stove show the highest -- hot stove showing New England is over. We give way and had a -- got on to diamond. I have writer's writer in me but remember that we're the number one show a vote of its kind in the whole country -- I went. So it doesn't matter what we say what's on the table sniffles. It also reflects your -- there really -- right here in front of us from the gaudy candy store thank you Valentine which can talk about everything is -- -- about. We don't ever put out any constriction so people. We know a flight ignore the teaser in the specific Kurds. I don't I don't remember the power play for the Bruins had to dig it out for -- baseball or an hour every night subtle no you don't want baseball guy I didn't mean it publicly talk with -- power play. Iowa or on your planet Mikey next Alex rob.