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Terry Francona - The Big Show

Jan 23, 2013|

Francona comes on to talk about his tell all book with The Big Show. During his final days as manager of the Red Sox his trial and tribulations with ownership.

Transcript - will not be 100% accurate

I back Jeremy big show. -- why and how it'll be like -- old days here with them with you know he's the coauthor along with him jealousy. Of neo brand new book cold Francona the Red Sox years. Some interesting stuff with your Red Sox fan and you were around during this so. Phenomenal period of a great ups and some on some downs toward the end Julius live full month. Is it to himself Terry Francona talked to you again. Ground to go and Greg congratulations. On the you know on the -- Atlantic. Oh is this pitchers in time for the book to come -- I got the feeling there's a lot of great stuff from the book this and that lightning stuff there's some fun stuff about the the eight years here this anger there there's some. Little pissed off -- the way things ended. It comes out now when -- getting back into the baseball world as a manager is that a little uncomfortable for him. Well in a likable things big -- Tom. I'd I didn't quit date and in my -- -- it was like work one writer liberally to our right. It sort of my. Model. Let's start result on this the start of I'll. It may very Michael just changed his questions -- -- so you know I don't now are. Are you concerned that would be out. And I was I was I was out of job. I basically got into the job with the history and yet and they approach me and like -- have time to do it as we got that adorned it was actually got on. And I took the job with the Indians -- the arrival -- his book was pushed up not to do week. So we have also a little bit. It again in this stretch was done in the book looked on probably last August so -- -- begin to double to put the timing of the -- up to me. Have you heard from John Henry or or Larry Lucchino. I personally I know they haven't spoken publicly. But you you would -- a pretty good and a couple of areas in his book -- from those guys. And you want I don't I don't I didn't feel like I I do it as much as maybe people I think if you read the book from from front to. Back in and look at in the right perspective I don't really feel like it was that. You know all I I think I had such on -- -- it and I was very supportive without and it. But I didn't really think we're so people so that was critical I'd be looked away. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- That doesn't mean they're bad people they're battle. I -- all that but I'm not sure they're gonna view it that would we ask -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- While Weis said but I think if you take it and read it in the right perspective I think it makes up. I'll ask you this the Bob -- peace comes out. In the Boston Globe and obviously there was some stuff in their week we -- interview with -- window in December of that year and you're still pretty. Shaken up by that you would talk to hole -- you had given them some some stuff off the record that he threw it in there but there was some stuff you said only a couple of people. What is known about and it got out. We're working at work here -- like almost two years later a year and a half later. You have to know. We're the leaks came -- -- You have to actually don't and -- I thought prior because I like you know a year too much -- -- -- or -- helped me you -- we're going to have to. I think a lot of people -- sort trying to find out a lot of slots there and -- -- -- -- good that was. Sort of stops. The -- even in this -- Q you talk about the conversation you -- when you -- in the the Verizon store or whatever in your talk and Lucchino looking I was gonna get to the complex. For the hundredth anniversary and why you ever had the phone on speaker phone I will never know in the in the post or maybe you can describe that went to it but you'll just. If you're pissed about the whole piece I think by now you've got try to find out who set that. Well again it all over the years ago over an -- For the hundredth anniversary I was actually the most -- my phone text that's what -- -- couple. And it won't the young kids that work on aspects that Larry called so. He probably give him a little bit -- and -- a few weeks. Speaker phone due to the -- you'll -- -- -- it a little more closely literally happened probably be in. -- -- -- -- LeClair -- can declare fighters or elaborate on that because I think when I said UN Adam pretty good I think the comment about them you when you said baseball. Baseball hobby for them -- -- for them they like baseball but they don't love it now Mary's not go you know there -- not gonna like that. I don't think that's I don't think that's saying anything that is most disrespectful. Mean. I says appealed to salute the way I feel they've come in the game they'll leave the game and missiles what I went through to -- my life and I'll also -- statement to the bird -- older. So again hopefully that'll be that was disrespectful I I think that's just a feel. You think is gonna be awkward when you see him go to baseball writers' dinners -- on Friday or Thursday or Friday morning tomorrow so I what do you think is going to be our they're going to be there. Do you think that's going to be an awkward does situation. So. All I -- I don't really talk to -- anyway. So all it probably would be a little awkward whether you know when I got the Cleveland job so relaxed expertise and when they hired John Ferrell center -- back. No I didn't execute -- You know I think she I think she didn't -- the illegal for a academics they whipped up pretty critical are those kind of admired at a -- I'm the other guys have really talked to anyways hope. Are brutal obviously it would be. Doc Rivers shared an interest in story. The other day and he said. What he was teasing you about that 111 Red Sox. A sad day he he text you say Tito don't screw this one up this is supposed to be a great team and he said you attacked the Becker called back very quickly and said. Some does not quite right about this team that was very early in the process do you remember how that conversation with doc and in what was it. What what you saw -- like. Not exactly population detect a lot back and forth and I was obviously comparable -- doubled him to trust -- so much. And he would confide -- -- -- and he had words of wisdom that. For whatever reason there's a reason -- actual good that he had his timing was impeccable. But I just never felt that all of that well the -- team. Now for got a personality that stopped your dominance for. With the team we -- we had talent and that -- -- four walks but what we never have that team that charitable outreach on the on the field. And I was I would right from the beginning and it's worked out as a staff we ever got there and ups and fell on meet and I that's why I was frustrated with myself. Why did you would take a short at the end why did you take the high road at the end specially when now are you willing in this book to reveal all the way it really came down at the end when you were fired. What -- I wrote at the time. Big I don't think it's really that much difference green I said in the end and when I was asked. You know that I didn't feel like you'll most on the bottle -- to grab my bat I would -- I think I signal light bulbs. Armed I didn't think it was a time to get in all that. I took responsibility for four people for what out of some credibility to it took to get my point across players. Arm which helped things you know as things happen and you don't remember now -- that this had happened yet. Cable we have double of the press conference I was pretty much in reading fire burst open now recovery wanna put it. At the Bible story hadn't allowed sloping it's coming out there that lead up. To address -- happened. What are your current. Makes sense what what are your current bosses. Think about this and you feel like this book will. You have to address it with either either. -- Cairo or the players is is does this book have any. Affect on you as Cleveland Indians manager you have to do any type of explaining elaboration. Your current job. Well think so I told -- all the guys that -- forward artist I did this book and I should -- become a problem I have to I -- some time. And I you know him and wondered what -- came out the Sports Illustrated they are called to -- -- so this isn't really what the books out. I should -- are some things and there are so I kind of knew this might happen. And they've been they've been great -- -- I'm nothing that you don't like nothing in my opinion took you out you know until about a club also. So the sanctity of its its -- ever subject that we wanted to talk about. I'd be -- and talk to a player. And in it and if it -- and -- don't you talk -- player then we usually we never did anything out of school. If you had been fired by the Red Sox and immediately hired by the Cleveland Indians as opposed to working for ESPN for a year. Would you have written this book. -- all of them at the time I -- had a -- we wanted to. Because of what we do it as I was fully invested and I thought that was real way to do. All I ask you about a few people wanna ask you about Bill James did you have an interesting story the first time -- dealt with a down in Florida. And Theo when the load the baseball operations guy had some you know like a frat house or whatever. Right -- -- and you playing cards with Bill James and apparently needling him. You're old school baseball guy you talk about that do in the book with you when your dad and taken that road trip. On his last year or whatever so those stats in the computers you kind of you know kind of laughed that. What was that like and what was James is influence. In your managing during the years you were here. Well I didn't -- probably appreciate what you thought I didn't go over the stats actually like but I mean I enjoyed getting the relations are just too. -- -- -- Built like a bit standup comic in this next lights. Which we all know that on the and I don't think people we appreciate what percentage you work but I can surely -- When when guys have the ability to make me think about something and I appreciate that. It's so you'd probably have a her from every era. Really good at. It up original -- you know how did this and and I did read the book. And and the right OK but I was looking. Back at a about the Colts are a little long does suck but not out there and I act like. The it's in the book. It seems like you when you would feel that relationship is very healthy it seems like a balanced relationship between a general manager and a manager I think very early in the book you said. We're not hiring a middle manager and he was explaining it to the owners were hiring a partner. I thought it comes out now -- there a point. May be out late where. It was good for both of you guys to -- you both left. He went to Chicago and jobs you went to Cleveland was it good for your relationship for you got to separate was again to the point where. You needed a break. Think so I think it's okay to say that I don't think -- what we need a break I think it was and it was time to leading goal. I'm I think the park or whatever it would go to oak. And don't just because we broke left the same time. On the web -- away use. -- we have a pretty healthy relationships. Like say that I mean we we have the ability to argue. We have the ability to talk through things we have the ability here to each other it would always the next they -- we're going to go. In a place like Boston blew up three years I think that's kind of the ultimate compliment. Something I think we all suspected during the run here that there were times and -- later called it feeding the monster. That this organization because they had become such a huge machine here I'm born in the pink cats and a lot of people that were part of Red Sox Nation. But they had a goal and you've talked about a be up and Theo talked about it being sexy. Did that ever get in the way did that ever an issue too often that they were bringing players in here. That would get us excited in the media world. But you was a manager trying to put into what you wanted to do every day wasn't necessarily the best. Not and they go never even knew about that stuff so they don't -- -- -- I don't think we really brought brought players and because of that I think that is up. A little bit of all I think they want to certainly improve ratings and things like that they did some surveys. But I know we all try to bring in players you ought to win in the coming spelled war job was just always wanted to make sure they ask a question like it was going to Japan. We're going to Phoenix to play exhibition game. I want them to give an opinion I want to give an opinion based on win baseball games and that's that's all I care about I know there's more to it but I was like charitable. I can get a much of stories in there including me that the church where they wanted you to Wear the shorts. With a duck boats and whatever where everybody's gonna Wear the same outfit obviously could so they could -- up so the impression US this is my impression I was a reader reading the book. The impression laws. That that was kind of an obstacle you're telling me. That's not really the case can you do you have a lot of. -- -- I don't think velocity or big I mean. The -- -- -- play General -- kind of Matt Ryan Garko said you know what Beck who -- but I mean that was probably a 52. You know 52 exchange. You know -- the year so probably didn't even give a whole lot of flops. They do have a lot of interest whether -- nest and NASCAR Liverpool. Do you think that distracts from being. A focused donor card or do they have too many interest that prevent them from just focusing on being good owners for the Boston Red Sox. Not all -- I think the real brutal or psychic said that the ball. Problem the way I wouldn't have written the script the way to -- it I wouldn't -- that would probably partially. That doesn't mean they're not good owners because I actually think a really good owners. You -- like I just again I was disappointed. In some of the fingers so my communication to put them I was very disappointed that doesn't mean they're not good people -- at all. Is it really is a relationship over -- don't put those guys and last and we talked to you before the book came out you hadn't talked -- -- think that was last summer. They're probably not gonna talk to you tomorrow get ready for it they're they're mad at you senator -- do you do you think you guys will have. A relationship begin president chapter no pun intended. -- probably not I mean I'd I'd John. Stopping answered my emails and stuff like a long time ago soul I would say probably not. What you know again I'm not really sure why that happened but it did so you move along. What did you think Tom Warner had one description of what you told him in 2011. You obviously had a different. Recollection of vote of what was said how would you have liked to have seen it in that year if they came to you -- may or June it's that you don't want. We're picking up that option would you have felt good about it at that time. If they picked it up yes. -- Yeah I would I'd promised to load ever bring it up and I never -- and we're in and get your -- would've been thrilled. What did you have a an idea and that in 2011 where did you have an idea. That there was no way that they were bringing you back or did you think it was. However without thought perhaps I just again we're playing our baseball lives on September I didn't care. About -- me about stuff like cut to a meeting. You know it is -- -- William. You know I was frustrated him and I walk a lot play so I didn't completely I didn't even want to come back. So yeah and there are still the worst time for that and I was -- -- -- the -- -- that when -- see people and we did it and we don't -- quickly. Was -- It was Manny the most challenging player you've ever had to deal with. All I think so yeah I mean again news you know that little party and the extra goal. Quirky and probably on the triple winner charger -- a burst on to literally be trying to. If you do it did talk to the book about having a lot of the players. Kind of deal with that did that kind of then toured the air toward the end with Manny where. Players got a little sick and tired of doing that. Yeah I think so I think that's when you're a nuclear arbitrary because a -- -- whatever was causing the needle in the club Oswalt was more than the production on the field. And almost I'd probably move home and you know the -- would you trade a player -- student -- solid. You know I think that speaks volumes. By Tito's great talk and catch it up with you interest thing book fascinating buckets up here bookstores everywhere you can get and obviously in the and the song. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- As. Good as it did. You order it always Indians -- -- this year. I also Michael we're we're gonna try home will be a pretty soon meant. I don't certain I don't know what sort of were -- -- don't do it for us now to address your -- evolved are probably I have both -- would have cousins and uncles and aunts harassing you can look at the dugout. Race and that's -- problem. Nobody wants to see that I did a good luck but it looked good -- you know what you see Artie don't the only. Terry Francona argue that.

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