Jan 10, 2013|
This week on the Hot Stove Show Kirk, Rob and Alex talk with Red Sox GM Ben Cherington and ESPN's Keith Law about the Hall of Fame voting.
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But -- show in literally within the last twenty seconds by had just broke ruptured its total August. I fixed it a fixed -- of what the -- -- got. The -- got to square where we got here tonight -- -- the Red Sox didn't read it to mr. -- -- -- the call in about five minutes and have him on keep on later. Part of the hall of fame in the best players point five wrestlers under 25. The name baseball sold to start with this where the Red Sox at right. What's going on the first baseman ninety -- on the wrong -- on. Is that the problem you know -- be catching situation. Fixing itself before spring training a five right is that right forty man roster I think it's six actually six. Yes the last -- -- help Mike Napoli both start the first victims obviously the Roche -- gone since last week we said what's gonna happen you -- well -- you're -- this thank you so Napoli now we're hearing some reports of babies now. Not going all of -- has been there right I spent about that. On first base well in -- the other the other interesting part about this Lance Berkman signed with Texas and the Red Sox the Johnson and. Right pay it by the fact is if Texas had any interest in bringing back now plea that that's dollar and Jerry sands was one of the only first base you know first options also gone Robert Gomez right now is that the top tomorrow early tomorrow and get it here first base. I guess so what is going on here in the apple. You still gotta think that is going it's right. Well yeah what day and we do this every week silly game. I'm going to say that weren't the forties okay -- until we get to 5052 is the Mendoza. It got to the J. D. Drew so be Tuesday we we don't know anything. And the fact that -- but nobody and there's no reports coming out about anything -- selling much so so. View of the prevailing thought is that this is gonna get settled. At some point because. And we talked about about this further but it would seem that they would be more proactive and please camp would be more -- than they have been just would write that Napoli the market is also diminished almost disappeared -- Napoli as well especially at a time when you know when Mike Morse is now readily available on the -- and the other thing is at this point. A lot of these teams spent some money. You know -- -- is not like this saving the money for Mike Napoli for the is for whatever he's gonna cost so. Yet you just eat everything adds up to this is gonna get done eventually it's just. It is bizarre another I mean. I know weasel word preside their -- J. D. Drew thing. I never thought it would get toward J. D. Drew territory. It's strange the right now Amin reports are that they're not talking right now. -- mean why would that -- I guess you know -- their could be further medical -- medical investigations that are going on would try to figure out you know the health of the had perhaps the agent has sent. Well you know what let me take a last run at the markets if there's anything else out there that -- And you know maybe they've agreed to and to reconvene after that market exploration but. It's a fair question I'm puzzled by it but then again I don't have personal knowledge that it there right there right -- and. Assuming -- -- and the initial thought when it was dragging out boys hey you know he's going for second opinions is going for third opinions what happens. I'd EU would maybe be able to get second or third opinion stunned right now. Our quick break we'll come back in ninety seconds battery united second break we're gonna do that Red Sox general manager venture into joining us on the hot stove the hot stove show WEEI joining us now in the AT&T hotline AT&T four GL TE was speeds up to ten times faster three GAT and T rethink possible. Is venture that's -- measure that what's going on. Good so I guess what were you ask is what people are wondering about is there any new. Updates are in the Mike Napoli situations we are today I think I'm -- Matthew -- 326. Of the Mike Napoli that. That part of the show or the community is that doesn't think that's -- no there's nothing to update. You know were. It is everyone knows we've been while Merkel -- policy analyst. At -- -- basin. At an annual. -- do that especially hatton and you know where stop talking. And when you're talking there's hope that there's a resolution but. But they're pouring now. Figures who would you say you're talking you're still talking and -- right now currently right now there are negotiations going. Where we've had dialogue you know it's that's one of those -- chatter spectrum likens the process here on the -- Didn't Vito. You know work. When when whatever where we're talking in his dialogue where you know means -- hopefuls. It was -- open but we just don't know sales we'll see -- it opens up. And if if you knew it was gonna drag -- this long would it have changed your approach to the first space market at all around -- time when you weigh in. This is reported that this deal was agreed on. How much area it's I think you have to. You have to play good in the off season and yet you on there just soften the in. We have. Adjusted in some ways this offseason. There's some things that we did that we weren't necessarily. Planning on doing focused on the outside the -- season. We've been consistent in saying they would like to have some often the first -- would still like to. We obviously had a you know targeted. Targets on the deposition early in the offseason. -- Serwer so hopefully you know some -- So that being the case I mean with Adam LaRoche for instance now being off the market you know other Lance Berkman is now off the market. Are you do you still see ways in a an anon Napoli world of you know just hypothetically of adding the offense that you are seeking a depositions -- viewers you could be say above average offensively at first base. Wolf you know. Until something done. You have to. You have to consider other options and and so we had to do that and he's continued that. Consider other ways to. Improve the team whether that. First base or elsewhere and this point we just you know haven't. Anything it made sense to us in the in this sort of big picture. And so that's where we are -- and availability of those there's so there's no one particular. Players that. That's. Available or not available that you know what does. That was. You know changed the course of our offseason gorgeous. Registry you know examining diving thing is that common. But certainly when you have something internally out of position and trying to. Improve on. Until it's improved upon. You have to continue to consider other options -- -- You know it's fair to say disease and it deeper into the later this free agent. Create desserts. Go off the Borden. So unique look at trade in the -- these things. But. -- remains. Focused and we're still hopeful that we can. He's something. And prove ourselves in that area 44 others. At this point is the only up forty man roster member who is. We would consider a potential first baseman -- on the Major League team -- governments. Goalless. You know can play there. You know we've talked about. Indeed insert outside of the outside this conversation about. And -- we talked about looking at some other guys there at that position we talked about. Different ways -- looking at that position but. You know as a as a currently stand Gomez would. Gomez -- we believe at least in the bat at least he did he can help us. And -- The lateral or do you will be you know it's Mediterranean and in about the first basal -- there. Just suggest would almost be one of those guys he talked -- Potentially getting some reps over there. We're we're not there aren't any certainly wouldn't. Wouldn't talk about. You know experimenting with a -- that position until we talked a player himself and -- and there's. There's certainly there's a good chance we will -- -- to do that but. Simply adding that because. Start. Consider all options when. When we have a an area to return to improve them then again or were hopeful that will be able to do that before reform. And you wanna keep talking about Mike Napoli brought him to subtitle I think Sarah Jessica sort of here for at the going for the starting first baseman aside is there any other positions that you're looking to address on the Major League roster. Hum Hewitt talked about back up first baseman outfield flexibility. Additional stars anything's really jumps out of being a priority. With a pretty good about where we are we we try to improve -- many parts of their rosters can this offseason. I would expect that we would there could be some additions. Major League camp whether that's roster non roster means he's seen. But I expected at some. Two competitions. They usually can't before we get to Fort Myers guys that are. That you know that that are not with a straight out yet to be in some additions but I think. And most of the heavy lifting has probably done. In. You know it's still pretty did about. The options we have -- you know -- most parts of the roster. Red Sox general manager bench Eric and joins us on the hot stove show I don't want to ask you actually not them in the throwing curve ball here. If the how serious the discussions are they get series of -- Josh Hamilton on the we've talked you since that point. Was it we mean we heard drew met with him how serious that the talks get with Hamilton or did it answers. We we didn't you determine. We had you know. It's. A handful of conversations. You know he's he's a terrific talent certainly in. You know and here talking about a player of that caliber. There's question as fit whether it there except for the player for the team that is questions. Contract in dollars and that particular -- it it just. It didn't it didn't quite lineup -- all the stars in the line on the island. For us and we felt like. You know we felt like it was -- -- -- the exercise we enjoyed getting to know Josh and -- had -- and it can be conversations but ultimately you know the he's on the right -- for. Ben I'm curious the break now the state of kind of starting pitching depth is very heavy -- is very heavy on prospects guys who are considered to have high ceilings like ruby dollar -- and Alan Webster. You know guys -- Chris Hernandez are going to be Tripoli depth options do you feel like there's need to get to get someone with greater Major League experience to. To kind of offer insurance to the big league rotation. That's an aerial look at. Between now and spring training and perhaps even during -- training. If we can net -- You know we will we will do so so work. Considering some things there are -- opinion minute. And it you know it's it's one of those things that. They have to keep book value and industry training. You know what Woolsey is there's still some guys out there so. If we can have some depth in that area we do we do you think we're. You know quite a bit ahead of where we were twelve months ago in terms of some of the internal guys that you mentioned and not just the guys you mentioned the smothers that are. Are pushing people out. Some some better options that are you know emerge -- He ready to be viable. Starting starting rotation depth is not. At the very beginning of the season certainly during this season and agree that that was some movement more experience and experiences -- We may try to do. Obviously in preserving those guys -- are considerable assets tapping their farm system. There's been some speculation that you guys were very reluctant to move kind of the hiring prospects in your system this offseason. Is is that accurate or were they are scenarios that you guys were visiting potential trade avenues that you -- exploring that that might have. Open the door to trading some of your kind of elite prospects. We just got -- lead and then in and you know it. From my standpoint in terms of building team not just for one year but over a longer. Summarizes it it sure is not able to have. Young players with the ability to make an impact. -- -- due to a spot here and there are an Illinois Diaz -- it has you know keep. As much as they have Tony -- to actually get the guys that. You know -- really believe it and you know we had a couple guys. And I get their foot in the door last year Ron Brooks and we expect that continues and certainly an area pitching. You know those no doubt would like to. It would like to find the next generation. Lester locals you know were -- music and yet now. Valuable analyst that Red Sox when. When we can he could break those guys they're -- needed we need to start again. And more often and continually do that to have. A number of options. The number of guidance. Vying for those whose jobs. That's that is -- as a there's there's -- houses a deal that. Where it's justifiable to give up -- a prospect you can really get blown. And there are some we kicked around this corner we just. This at this point anyway haven't didn't have down on the maintenance. -- quick to partnered number one David Ortiz. -- what's his status in the second part is just. -- is there anyone on the Major League roster who was going to be limited coming out of the game spring training. I think is are generally -- -- part of your question is there anybody who is. You know in in any way limited at the end of the season. We will keep you know we just kept it very close eye on this offseason. It was doing very well. Or certainly. You know spent more. You know which is in February -- -- Myers into. Get a really good picture of where they aren't we need to take a certain -- a little bit slower. -- investors. Of this here with a large training. Do at W peace is the have more time. It will be more probably guess he can afford them. If you're sort of -- long -- a little slower if you have to. That's Cedric now we we don't have any. We're -- have any plans to it would do well David included. Or two or are we get four miners. Let me ask you this OK I don't want non answer -- -- I want a real answer. If that was ventured -- hall of fame belt like who's on there. You know the but I'd I don't have -- and if you are committed themselves. I'll put a little. Plug in that in this is that businesses quite the ballot here asking about that. Do you think way that it should be offered him a group and you know I'd love to see him get. More consideration through the veteran's committee in certainly part of that but. I think -- good -- were playing today you'd. You looked at their agreement is great greater appreciation for. All the things he does well then opus and confidence to see that it. I agree I agree with that and so now -- your ballot for this all things. That. I thought I would this prize that knowing it and with bella yeah I would hope that. The -- you guys on the ballot here and so was there anyone you most prized that the beginning. I ask you got nine more time attempts at eclipses Mike Napoli to first in the ballot in the in the percentage. Those proposals surprise that I actually think there was you'd be view Morris those top two I'm I guess social president. Those guys in. -- then we appreciate your time thanks for joining us from a -- suspect answered to is in the study is that your number I -- club is who's an acquisition over just call the number 2000 if there are some light on your -- we're probably not in Baghdad it's Jon Farrell's and that club. I don't know Scott -- is not can be and that's -- -- Yeah I think well they don't want socialist on -- triangle district or might get -- off sixteen -- last week -- if you CES it LeRoy Salmons with headphones on where -- -- meat chicken going -- business actually there would be very reminiscent of previous years but please do join us for some of those wings are great thanks bent on -- -- -- -- -- That's venture outside general manager it was kind sort of offered and each year an -- -- and meditation was fantastic to you could tell I was I was just say yeah 101 years of our pilot who another -- -- the number two -- until. -- Tremendous fight and me at three -- I thought that's laden I'm I see -- He's in an effort to -- And somebody's gonna be number two close calls -- riots mr. -- couple minutes to complete law. ESPN we'll talk with he's had plenty of -- in the hall of fame. Well sort of the best young players in baseball he -- coming up after the break back quick correction keep law at 645. I apologize. It is not stove show and so I think bench -- there last segment I guess the real talking point is Napoli. Said the dialogue is continuing now wonder now. What it looks like for Napoli -- just say he is kind of going around again I can't imagine a scenario where he's going to get. And offer significantly better than even the worst ones that the Red Sox would give unless it's completely -- I don't know -- I don't know what you're holding out for at this point. It is because we know that this is what the Red Sox do with contracts -- has to know this is what the red sixty with contracts. There's precedent. To be set here and I'll listen J. D. Drew contract could have been a three year contract if it blew up we understand. I still end up being a five year deal and so I don't know what the -- and I think this is different. My gas my guess is that they are talking with Napoli is that they no longer feel comfortable giving Napoli. The same number of years or the same number of dollars what they originally so I saw I agree with I think I just don't know what he's gonna change you know it's like if if they don't feel comfortable. To your point Kirk. I don't know what's gonna change his that we as the market they sign Napoli December 3. Right guard armory to agree they agree in principle aside and 9:20 -- I tell you guys right now right now mentally. He's not he's not some moderates say that -- it is not happen. I if they if they if I could tell I I know I speed turn that I can tell by the -- -- his voice attic. Press play -- record say hello Michael whole lot I don't do anybody know patty. Play in court. Mike Napoli will play for the boss it's excellent stable and record -- errors and work to -- attracts the passivity -- station I. There's something in the air I don't like something is not right something is rotten whatever countries to be Rodman is not happen. Don't I always wondered what people had against the Danes and cents raw but it's not gonna happen. Probably like lots of no I guess I was never install the tulips that would be well -- actually -- like forty minutes -- -- listened listened so. One of the things about -- is Sharon has said the Napoli stuff aside the fact that I thought he was gonna say they were. More proactive on adding and that other guy because that's the other piece that we have heard about that they were looking for right backup first baseman right slash outfielder or. I would say Berkman Berkman Alamo for completely -- anymore so. But that type -- guy in it sounded when Ben was talking just then that. And that doesn't seem to be a priority right now. Yeah and I think that that might also be a reality of the market I mean aside from Mike Morse who's right handed and so kind of imperfect but he's -- first -- -- left fielder. There aren't a lot of guys who have the slash and what they do so you have the mile over -- of the world I think that he -- Casey Kotchman played well are the best kind of quote unquote. Complimentary slash or just gorgeous sign him for embryos just to mean number word on when black Leno went -- million dollar guarantee debt rather do that. I'd rather do that. The monopoly yet -- -- I'd rather do that the -- the and the other part ways. The internal discuss had a -- who vehemently in decree in the first space. And you know I could go on on the roster of -- legitimate guests. Right I think Gomes and I'll vote would probably be via -- is not -- -- it worked out there a little -- and yet he played only game in college and deacon BO left handed alternative as well so now it increases -- considerably if he were to be -- I wanted to -- if I wanted him so bad to say everything to open David Ortiz there. I walk out of class. -- -- -- -- -- via a team Dominican president Americana is going to prep him for that transition and got to get that. And you said a -- Telecom balloon to retire and I get the feeling the U. Don't think threats such oracle apple like I can tell a couple of weeks ago. A lot I just -- it I set I said didn't I said in November and I. I said that he said a couple of extra on the show were talk and you want to adopt the feeling you said you get the field. I got the feeling -- five I sympathize in November though -- was in light issue and the fact -- I don't know how. What I don't feel comfortable with what Mike Napoli is if you have a guy who's gonna play first base for you. You need him to get battered first base and if you have a hip problem that's going to be very very difficult now if it's not that serious an issue. If he can move around a little bit and that's not can be hindrance. Great he's the perfect fit for this team. But that's my only kind of Bordeaux -- -- and appeared next to the end of the show -- lost an -- I always do this week from today is Mike Napoli going to be all right resolute restaurants. I'm saying yes. Science today he signs. With the reds -- I'm saying chore. Yeah who will hit and socialize in the 52 -- Mendoza line now was December 3 so I figured there doctor I'll say yes -- will come back Keith law ESPN talk -- the hall of fame in the 25 best players. Under 25 to parts of show 937 action all across the WEEI radio network. And joining us now on the AT&T hotline is ESPN's Keith law keep its Turkmen and out -- -- after all star witness. How could you voted for -- ceiling for that. What do you according to -- -- credentials -- instantly -- it. I had him rated -- green. Bosnia's it was a travesty to Steve Finley doubled up Shawn Green so so -- that we're -- doubled up Aaron Hill where it's true where we it's just it's just so confusing and where we at right now. In this whole thing as you look at the landscape here against you know a day after. It it's an excellent questions and -- it's kind of an open question because it. Don't like we don't have one landscape anymore right we're very balkanized. Over. Particularly how to treat. Steroid guys and the steroid era and I needed hesitating before those straightened because. This. This steroid era it's just sort of loosely applied to the -- offense there we don't actually know who used what -- And when and how much we don't want offense what -- that the level spiked. Kind of overnight too so you sort of arguing they all these guys just started using that same offseason. The steroid guys. Which are not like you failed at what Homero. I too we have. Other sort of extra evidence outside of baseball that they use something like -- Clemens. And guy who just aren't passing me I have with Jeff Bagwell you kind of big guy like he used to. I got to have acting on his back to -- some things. And you've got. You know I'd like to call -- the rational on the other side saying. He can't start doing he can't start playing judge and jury here and speculating on who used wife and land. -- just look at the historical record and go from there decide who belong to all of seem unhappy -- is the only fair way to treat. Everybody at that point of view that I just -- it is as if he's obviously minority with two thirds of voters. Rejecting bonds and and almost the same number I would think percentage rejecting club. So why is that true that you have to look at just the historical record of guys who were identified public you know let the guys who failed tests for instance. While wide just look at their statistics not say look pitch of the game and they cheated the history of the game I mean they're the ones who kind of wrecked. These you know OPS plus and ERA plus. Our -- methods for this era in which some people use CDs because it's not like you have. ERA plus only for clean guys right. What kind of punishment to these you know bigger -- tenets of guys like that right. Well you know it changes can do everything -- -- we talked -- we talked about all the MVP discussion about. Went about replacement level and other apps like that there -- built up the same thing replacement levels of -- league average was that which is a function of everyone's performance. But in the league in that particular year it at that position insult comedy you know -- will pick on -- because. He built and tested because nobody can tell he was a good guy -- so I don't feel bad forum. He would with a finger -- that he was a good -- yes he probably would and that would be at -- truthful -- the -- -- sells it with Palmeiro. So if you believe is that are bogus and yet he poses a problem for the week as a whole because. He his strong numbers. You can pretty uniform throughout his career he's very consistent those numbers. Boost the league average big booster replacement level and you all of you can't expect any relatives that's just how we kind of should be looking at things. They'll all viewed as a result. To your original question I have no objection to voters who say Palmeiro that he failed attack. Everything suspect that they'll have -- complete his career to cease or wonder what went to the start. If you wanna throw that -- altitude he he failed attack and sanctioned by Major League Baseball there's actually something very tangible you can point to -- at -- That's my reason for leaving him out. I start to get on company with guys like ponder Clement because what we know that they probably use something comes from these. Sort of black and -- court proceedings. They were never sanctioned by Major League Baseball what you believed bonds was black ball. When his career and -- he could get another job because initially baseball wanted to Q. -- never any official sanction on the record that nothing in Major League Baseball but says he actually used. Idiot that stuff that we are having inserting against some of our own speculation information we got from outside of the world baseball. To make these judgments. On guys like that and that can restart again on the slippery slope of of pure speculation and restart that go from speculation fabrication. When you point to some of the other guys Wear their records are totally clean. It you just don't like the way -- blocked. Our -- that I kind of warm look through it is Alex Rodriguez when he's up for the -- thing went well whatever it is in ten years whatever. What do you think 66 years I can say that. But what do you think the conversation because it in my mind politics is one of these gas again then and then. Then we're sitting there without rhetoric reassess admitted steroid user. And the conversation toll change in and week we look back at what we're talking the last two days and was like that was ridiculous. We or are these things right but that argument can increase every January -- two things -- changing the baseball audience. Especially that the -- -- the audience to spend time you know we spent time yelling yelling at each other Twitter. -- that part of the audience. He's growing getting more serious and more educated about the -- we don't necessarily all agree he certainly disputes over is Larry Walker are all gamers can -- -- a hall of Famer. But that group pretty much looks at this city can have a policy about why -- -- think about -- these -- clearly have to -- -- It's the same group that yelling about how to act more shouldn't be and because. If fabricating the the problem -- voters are fabricating narratives to support candidacy that is clearly not supported. Five that actual evident by his performance on the field. The other thing you're gonna he's -- electorate is constantly changing. More voters are are getting into the electorate every year they get their ten year as a badge holders. Those tend to be younger voters who were going to attempt to be a little war -- magically not inclined to favorable. And you have older voters who will drop off the ranks as bill passed away or because they'll simply stop voting. So I think over time that can happen overnight but over time. Electoral will be a little more favorable at least some of these Palmeiro -- how I don't think he ever get them -- but McGwire gets it and. I think Bagwell. Yacht and I could Bonnie -- eventually get -- skeptical way along which. He thought ESPN joins us here in the hot stove Schultz get to bashing the BBW. That's what that's -- so. I think they're out what we can do a bunch of things here that -- -- egregious but here's one OK let's just eliminate wins for conversation percent that I give you pitcher a and Richard B one is Jack -- some -- Schilling. It's not even close knows that even consider close it says Jack Morse is better -- -- -- 385 votes. Schilling gets 221. I guess two questions. Why is that and second do you think Curt Schilling ever gets involved I think he does. I hope he does that he belongs and I would've voted. Absolutely. It bourses total is so it's hard to do that apple Apple's you know I completely understand where you're coming from -- Get right but. The problem is more to say that this was his second collect -- on the ballot he's got one more shot. And paradoxically. That players were on the ballot for a long time to get either vote total increase. -- -- -- -- it he doesn't actually get any better but the closer they get him more people say sure you're right so yeah yeah and -- actually -- about that they how. He he's divorced guy bourses last year next year he must have more on that ballot. With the limited hand. And we're gonna like sixteen to twenty qualified guy next year depending on how what are they called -- small hall guy. Pointing out that several back again have to be balked -- not to have enough space. So that you like excellent numbers are -- increase probably a lot over the next few years. I wonder if he is. Outspoken personality hurt -- like I never heard a whisper I'm sure some people that -- played Matt Harris and therefore he is suspect. But I wonder that he's you know he's outspoken opinionated. Which I think are good things -- it might be some of those myself by. It can -- members of the media the wrong way there's no question and he came up with the Ray Lewis treatment these last couple weeks remote has been very good with the media and he's getting. Favorable treatment as a result how you treat the media absolutely -- factor all things and it. People change gears a little bit I know that you published -- -- 25 year twenty top 25 under 25 today and you had Miguel Miguel Cabrera is number one. At that. To get an up and make it I -- I know he's amazing he's so good did does that not only can he win the Triple Crown but he can also reverse the aging process like met. But -- out from a from a Red Sox fan perspective and this is always a terrific article I enjoyed every year. It gives you really interesting insight on some of the top young talent it will hopefully impact game for used come. Middle Brooks made the list at number 22. I'm curious for your impressions of you know of both his strengths and limitations. In perhaps how close to the -- Alexander Bogart's come to consideration. So Little -- It's funny because his strengths and weaknesses there's such clear delineation between -- -- he's a good defense at third base concession to be really good defensive third baseman. He's got power in the keep the power -- little more than I expected I was somewhat bearish on the Oprah coming into the season because. But great bat speed that he does not have a good approaches the play which may be questioned how much it how he was gonna get to -- And what we on limited time both in the minors for a limited time in the majors this looks like that power in a plane probably place sooner than I expected. The flip side is particularly the approach and you could see that it really wore down his statistics before he is he would have -- August 10. The the weakness in his plate discipline. Really start to affect the pictures were attacking him differently he was not making adjustments. You'll that -- -- what kind of make adjustments before he got articulated wanna punish him too much on the west. When he didn't have the opportunity other players had to make those adjustments in these and so. He like I sort of split the baby a little bit by putting him toward the Barry and the -- -- -- don't have skepticism. They could keep the batting average -- post a respectable on base percentage. I recognize that it given how weak third base is right now a guy who can really field position -- 25 home run power. Is clearly a valuable commodity and given how young years he's got more chance that 27 year old -- to improve that that -- flawed plate discipline. A QB -- -- we always appreciate your time thanks for joining us are now he member of the robbery and -- club number two club on the hot stove -- has a second appearance in the middle size car yet since. John John Farrell area in my case they ago. Particularly a lot of things I'm glad it's not what I was originally bound as flattering as it could be hit the next I don't know -- thanks a lot my blood. Few people obvious in time to join us here quick second in the hall of fame it's just it's impossible to figure I mean -- screw it up. Top to bottom everybody has no matter what you've really heard buster today. With -- -- I mean I kind of agree people from all evil from. Well that's and we era here's the fascinating thing goes back ten that ten vote final is going to lead to chaos in the years to come because. It's a polarized electorate so you are going to have as much consistency around which ten. Our right and then there are too many candidates. To edit and if they liked -- and to be honest you would think with ten when you hear -- ten people -- to get much differently and normally you see about 456 years ago and and guys in the next year. -- -- Lab and Frank Thomas Pedro the Johnson and -- -- mean all time guys and I've been continue this -- you know it's. It's just this stuff but Bagwell piazza drives me nuts because Randy Johnson is pitching his forties and pitching well. Such a league that nobody. Read I'm I'm not -- -- first guy who was busted for steroids with Alex and chip like one career home for us. It's like you have to hold your nose in in both of these guys even though you know they're guilty Reid -- screw it I'm OK at the point out you know that's what you gonna do you. Yeah I do you like. I I I kind of I had always been of the mind you let him in but I do wonder you know she isn't there something to be said for saying this was kind of morally repugnant like. Do we not think that it's right that Lance Armstrong was stripped of. About it but we kid but we can't tell us is that we well Mark McGwire admitted doing right -- Alex Rodriguez then there are guys who were in the hall of fame right now who are can be -- -- so much suspect as some of the guys retired and well violating another it's anyone's firing Rickey Henderson is as suspect as Mark -- the -- -- as some of the guys -- talking about. We had Jeff Bagwell may be. But that's my point I guess I guess that your point you don't I am agree all the pundits -- a book when you go hall of fame you go to Cooperstown you bring kids in Cooperstown you walk through the -- Barry Bonds Roger -- -- it's it's it's hanging there was only you can see him and never think steroids -- it's always looming they should have really outsized heads on their -- bound legally married to him -- its general well yeah -- real quick -- -- alone he's going in -- second heart surgery six months old Allred. Boston children's hospitals seem kind of heart -- my nephew Adam had. It's classic good luck to her and the people there obviously -- unbelievable jobs so. Electricity absolutely I mean you know thoughts -- prayers with army thing Keith law in venture to be joining us and we will be back here. Next week just to be determined Mike Napoli all agree he will be guests. Now that night you might not professor who knows -- -- right he's been he's been our topic also I think he owes it to the unpredictable Johnny process could all right thanks -- -- planet Mikey are coming up next and debut via.