Jan 3, 2013|
The first Hot Stove Show of 2013, this week Kirk, Rob and Alex talk with former Red Sox GM Theo Epstein and former Red Sox player Alex Cora.
Transcript - will not be 100% accurate
But still show on a Thursday night I guess as usual. WEEI radio network Berkman and rob Bradford Alex -- Theo Epstein the president of baseball operations for the Chicago Cubs will join us shortly and Alex Cora. Who is managing Javier Vasquez -- general manager. Of the team yes Javier Vasquez who's obviously come into news source -- I was -- -- the other guy who only got to me. He's he's he's guiding a tight ship. There they were they were far and away the regular season winners in Puerto Rico and -- -- there when an island and I will have no have a mob because it's. He -- down in -- Javier. Quick couple mention before we get to feel. And we'll talk to -- sure about this but you know the monster talked about last year which I think you know -- NASA and the payroll in ownership and all that I guess I've asked this question. -- do you guys real fast let's just say for arguments sake. The Napoli thing falls through. Can't and they wanna -- -- -- say Sheraton. Really want to sign LaRoche for arguments -- really bad in the -- said he doesn't want to -- is dead set against where they right now organization with. Are they are the first walk use that and kind of in reversal if I don't I'll probably say for arguments about the same group aren't you out as. I had they would achieve organizational consensus you have arguments that it's not as simple as just. Little his voice in the organization it doesn't work that way like in terms of one person has finally I don't with a lead -- you're the final say the final say is the only -- just -- like any business. The ownership have the final set right there the one who's gonna sign off on any checks any acquisitions. But would you guess that Theo Epstein has final say in -- he's the president. He's the president of baseball president of baseball operations there -- let the dogs are so I would look at why would -- -- probably. The -- -- but the question has to be asked him how has it changed. Right. Bomb in terms of how much Larry Lucchino is leading you to that vs say two years Riders or a year ago I mean we go back to spring training last year and in bench Arrington. Admits that there was is gonna ease into this. Lucchino was could take the same kind -- they think he took early on Theo Epstein range plus he has did you get the feeling that that has changed the but I guess we talk about six months into the Fiorentino may not have. As much seat tolerance he did eighteen months ago toilets I don't know about that I feel like his organizational perspective has evolved over the course of those eighteen months as much as anyone else's you know the idea. Of embracing this notion I found it really telling after this season. That he was on the it was on board with the party line. Date he didn't wanna say that the Red Sox were going to contend in 23 team. To me. Him to make that concession. And based on my committee you know that they might -- and but saying look we can't say that with any certainty was a pretty significant shift of his. Of his outlook on the team I still if if I want it's the that this dynamic in and -- in the works. I would love to see whether Josh Fields in conversation and it. Because to me that was a good example classic example of what well -- well because here you are you know Josh Gibson looks like he might be slipping toward. What they wanna -- form of baseball operations clearly saying hey we value -- three years but nothing more than that yet. You also have to sell things you have to do you have to sell tickets this is the big name if you do sign him the perception of the organizations can be different just like it was. And they didn't mean -- -- on three when Malcolm yet but it sure seems like you know from the public relations standpoint we're never. Which he has been really quiet I think this summer rather this winter Chara and -- and has been really got all brought disrupt -- -- get it -- -- -- -- are -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- To a degree that's different although. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- And we tickets on Henry after go to Cubs president Theo Epstein and he's gonna join us next year Theo Epstein president of the Chicago Cubs up that some putts -- Back now on -- hot stove show 937 W -- -- yes right now in the AT&T hotline is president of baseball operations for the Chicago Cubs Theo Epstein the of the evening or you. They get that extra mile and yes. How is season to hear the second offseason the Cubs now obviously you've been there for awhile -- it differed from from that first when it seems you know at first glance you guys been more active in this offseason. They'd be a little bit so it is different the second winner in the organization in the first winner. Spent most of your time getting to know. In announced the organization the person now and you don't have as much firsthand knowledge of the players certainly not having him play day in day out for yourself and especially true minor league players. Say is that more comfort level. It's -- -- -- had a full calendar year. In new organization -- -- -- slightly different point we're certainly still. That are building process and if it moves that we made Q is that more of an eye towards the future. But were hopefully you know you're further along we have a few more for a system we did. Year ago we can start to feel the more aggressive trying to continue to build the core. -- you dislike them Edwin Jackson. To two pretty good contract and I'm just curious about what you saw in him. And also what you saw in Ryan Dempster when he was with view that maybe Red Sox fans can expect. Okay I'll answer that Jackson -- first. Well first and foremost you know Jackson. Is the -- it's still players that but -- prime years last -- -- two and nine years old he's been around awhile broken so young but still 49ers in all the while the free agency and the healthiest knock on wood one of the most consistent most terrible. I've never really had no problem. And though some has been because he's bounced around so much intensity as -- all the underrated for his for his consistency in this solid middle rotation. It's here for many years and on top that is mixed in a few outstanding seasons so although all the best and in free agent pitchers which is not. You know bucket you wanna be diving into you off and he's really one of the most one of the safest route to the -- in. Somebody would totally stopped. In some ways that we that we think can be in the middle of our rotation there for years to come. You're. But our organization is that there's an imbalance we. We have a lot more depth another position player prospects and reduce their pitching prospects and as we look forward to future years and the desire to be competitive we understand it. Really next to impossible to build their entire rotation over the course of one winners to winners so. We really had to start the process of picking -- spots. To bring in starting pitchers. When they were available if they were. You know. Healthy talented and in the right page -- -- -- checked a lot of those boxes for -- was available. For you know a fair value relative to to the free agent market. On Dempster. You know I think Red Sox fans are a lot of these. Another other pitchers been extraordinarily. Consistent and and and help the takes the ball. Thirty plus starts and recently here. Very very competitive. It is really. Evolved as a pitcher in the earlier in his careers -- great stuff and and then -- terrific in this break involved. But not you know not know is known for his for his command. More -- just. He's. Deterred he's he's he's a different got married. He came up with a split which is huge it's -- last year and now he's really more pitch maker. His spot consistently all year long really executed. With a split finger. Keep hitters off balance the you know you've when he didn't throw a good split is is that type of pitch that hitters don't get it's going that -- center. So you know he's Smart you know there is doing he's still got solid average stuff and and and and that difference maker and split. And that competitive. The guys you want out there really a great team in a great person off the field so. You know always -- -- -- on things and keep things positive for everybody I think he's. It was Smart enough to kind of pick your spots -- and he knows that he can't do and that should be very effective consistent pitcher regrets. -- what are the reasons why it's been kind of interesting to watch your offseason and the reds and out of the Red Sox because. I think that in some respects they've taken very similar courses in. You know just the idea that the Cubs in the Red Sox entered the offseason and similar places. With regards to team building was entrusting. I guess it kind of stems back to the Red Sox making -- blockbuster deal with the Dodgers. You know obviously respecting the fact that you don't wanna get too much into what the Red Sox have been doing decency left it's still worth asking like just on the on the broad level when when you saw the Red Sox make that deal with the Dodgers trading Adrian Gonzales Carl Crawford Josh Beckett to LA. Viscerally how stunning was that for you to see that they had done that and what to you what does that say about where the Red Sox -- You know I think everyone in the industry surprises of the scope of the deal as it became clear to determine -- players were involved but. You know I I really like that trade just because -- have a I'm a big fan of the young talent they got back. That we spent a lot of time. Getting the Dodgers system we have some possible it's merits and Dempster -- And I think it's it's hard to make. Any trade these days you can acquire -- -- starting pitchers the caliber of Webster dollar Rose and so. And it just so much was made of the players going and from Boston to LA and the vast amounts of payroll. That suddenly became. Available that are outside I think I'm not enough was made. Of the young talent that came back in and answer and decided to play -- match never used a couple of their players and in you know whatever you know -- He indicated key to that deal of those two. Development. -- -- of course starting pitchers that they can be it's going to be transformed the deal. You know that The Herald that freed up. Is was remarkable in its own right but you know it's interesting dynamic game and we game and we are experiencing the same thing to a certain extent but. You know having available dollars. Today you know at this moment in time with this marketplace dynamic. Is not what it it was ten years ago -- and five years ago if there is a time when. When you really had to clean the payroll flexibility. Because there's there's so much you can do that you he's sort of that the market to get. The catbird seat the market and can really pick and choose what you want to do it is player out there you Dmitri you've got to -- you have the most -- of flexibility it's. If you had the good farms system for the rest factor in payroll flexibility to do just about anything you want it to him in trade it would these days with with the TV money in. Things going on in the game they're out there are a lot of teams -- in the -- and and there's only so many ways to spend it in the CPA really limiting. Club flexibility to allocate those resources amateur market and national markets. There's a lot of teams -- stand and and fewer and fewer quality creating becoming available so. Having you know just having money to spend does not necessarily make. -- put a freshness and a great position anymore so I think the the underrated part of that deal the Red Sox was. Was that the young pitching coming back and I think they'll serve them rather well for a long time. Theo Epstein joins in the hot stove show on W guys Theo last summer you talked about. The monster that the front office had to deal with the times I guess two parts one the elements of that. Said monster you feel they still exist and if they do you feel that. Charge and is doing -- that. Well I'm not -- positions. And no matter comment. -- -- disaster about the deal and I think. You know if if if that trade was an indication. That the entire organization and on. On the same page. Going forward as a really united front there. Prepared to. Invests in the future together and take a long -- together I think that's a great sign for the franchise it sure seems that way so. I think that's terrific for everyone involved and there's always someone who has been the moment great perspective and and and it was -- ability to look at the big picture and seems like of those in the trade that and then I think I think I think the outlook of -- evolve based on what they've been through it we were we -- in a position. You know we're having tremendous success here in your Bowden. Averaging 95 wins -- so and when you're doing that it can be hard for everybody to agree on looking at that. The big picture in the long -- but after a -- go to some adversity. Yes some deals that don't work out you missed you -- the post season and especially if you go through what their assessment last year. Which is so dramatic picture for everybody. I think there can be a silver lining their words it is it can make. Priorities more players can unite. People behind and a common strategies so. You know from afar looked like everyone's expecting her -- and united and things are going great direction going back and presentations involved. The U around these parts were still waiting Mike Napoli situation that result in. To talk to J. D. Drew a couple weeks ago he was very complimentary in the way that. His 52 day ordeal kind of went and how he had a lot of -- that that was gonna get worked out if you've got to kind of go through what. In general terms and watch it goes beyond the the behind the scenes in regards to something like that. You know I shouldn't get in its fewest -- about citizen in real general terms you know if if if if things come up. As part of is it the conditions being met with TO on the new information and usually decides tested this. You know sit down together and hammer something out in light of that new information and so you know obviously to -- that -- I can talk about that was. That contract over now but you know there was -- can fly in the course the physical -- its descent that we had to work on some language in the deal that was fair to both sides protect the club but wasn't. Over the onerous and if it got a little bit awkward you know like him every view is that that period of negotiations went through the holidays and but you know it could have been unsettling for for -- definitely remember reasons. Sent some flowers to live and apologized and and real or something -- that that really did protect the club. -- the same time was fairness in the in the and that's coming into play. The other -- felt better about themselves well on the -- or something -- forgotten about it can they can get awkward situations. In general and I have no idea. -- all going specific case but usually it's just a matter of the club and the representatives sitting down. Clearly that was your first indication of him not him I met him not -- terms of -- It is even took nature. I think they industry is aware of that pride from the time is an immature forest state and certainly responded drafted. Doesn't get bothered by much. Sudden the one thing that's been interesting to see from afar is as I as I alluded to it does seem as if you guys are moving in. In kind of you with similar priorities to the Red Sox namely signing a lot of guys who require relatively short term commitments. Into haven't cost you a draft picks at this point. I'm just curious you know since you do have that. Protected number one overall pick how valuable is a second round pick in the new baseball landscape and you know how how important is that. When you do have a protected takes still to protect that second round pick. Well it's it's really support now. -- more important these are several reasons one is that you don't have the amount of compensation picks that you had in the past so. That second round pick for us is really where. Hi -- much equipment in the past so it doesn't really matter what rounder -- it matters what what numbered as and so. You know we're protecting. More than a second or protesting and -- -- -- That the cancer for -- for most delicate that way everything is on the other two earlier you just don't there's no. As it is is no. There are multiple pass into the into the amateur marketplace anymore you know in the past you -- Give up I'd pick and realize you're gonna overpay someone later on -- give up. Couple drastic to realize that you just can't try to dominate international free agency that year. He just don't you just don't have the ability as do those things anymore so when he's surrendered drastic. And the captain in the pool -- that goes over the years -- really admitting that you're not that -- draft. That years Hewitt otherwise -- so that's really hard to do. Given. Given the price of creating these days and just how meaningful this. To develop your own talent and that player under control for six years it's. It's really hard to say they were trying to build out the organization but -- -- do it. While many draft it is not going to be quite as here so I think here. You're seeing a real premium placed on on the drastic -- in the in the -- missed that goes with it for good reason but the I think it. It's the little bit unfortunate in the affected certain free agents such as primary -- -- -- you the single best thing that can happen to. Perspective creating this platform Mears getting traded in there to lose the burden of the nation's. -- go forward. Having said that did you see yourself allocating that picked tenure remaining free agents this this offseason. I'm I'm not on -- I don't talk about their main entry and there are plans in general say he has no. He can't beat dogmatic about it clearly there are. Clearly there there and made that free agents or -- To justify surrounding you know first round and it certainly is second round pick in. -- -- here acquiring. The assets of this thing if if that. If the contract makes sense in your year getting more in the player's services and potential trade value I don't play that player. But that's more valuable than -- surroundings. In terms of dollars in the drastic certainly makes sense that all depends on. Not just the player that the contract and then to actually what you get out of the players terms contribution on the field their potential trade on the. You obviously Anthony Rizzo has been highly regarded around these parts for for awhile if he wasn't he wouldn't be involved such a big trade value lies. But has hit his progress and how quickly he's kind of evolved. Over the last year surprised arisen about this -- that you thought you might take. You know -- by and large he's he's he's on the path that that we projected for. From the time established himself. In our system I think they're remarkable thing about what is accomplished is this just how quickly. He made a significant. It just that would this morning you know when he went out to San Diego. And and and pressure away and they got promoted in June in 2011. He came up and gotten some bad habits really quickly. With the Padres part of it was. Try to do too much a part of it was playing in a park that to death of collective power hitters so. QB yeah. Started over swing and and really got enough help plane. Dramatic up they'll play going in this way so is battles never in the zone. It really finish in. News is is hard for him to impact the baseball and yes to the point where you know there are some respected evaluated -- game. But he was not -- -- make it -- them slaves helped fundamental. The adjustment was that was needed in and Anthony's credit that we traded form you know try to buy low on him. Last winner. Because he'd come up and -- and you know under fifty so it appears we follow on them and if we got to be. Do you take a little bit time for me to make that adjustment and -- and sent them back to triple at all you know Anthony be in the as a person that he is taken himself. To make that make that just as quickly as possible on and worked his tail off over the winner and and you know really leveled hustling out -- to finish. Upon himself down in the box and from the moment shows up in spring training they completely different way you really. As a 21. Girl to a two year old. Reworked this way you know in real fundamental way to get right into the big leagues and that is not something you see government but a lot of success to off and so I think that that instant transformation. Who has it was really rare that the general path that he's on you know he's still showing. The same pluses and minuses to his game that that we projected four with a Red -- this. Yeah I use -- -- work hard not to continue to improve over time shift to be it player. Talking to Theo Epstein Cubs president of baseball operations the failure you're coming back next week for for the hot stove cool music events the round table this year. Is about changing a baseball culture. It seems like that's been a driving force for the Red Sox certainly this offseason. That was obviously something that you place agree priority on with the Cubs. Over the last you know whatever fourteen months or so. How important is it to change a baseball culture where you've been through kind of a dramatic run losses. And how much was that of the forefront of what you tried to accomplish. In your first offseason as the Red Sox GM. Back ten years ago. I think it's it's fundamentally important but it. It's really hard to define and it's it's it's it's a missiles and more this thing so. You know you can. You can set out to change the culture and and and Chad and see certain changes -- certain people. Identified some priorities and values misses sisterhood I think to accomplish so it is any one thing you can do this. To do it but but certainly it takes an organizational commitment yet to them -- the better can they can get away from -- I think. Yeah element to the minute the two experiences trying to kind of set out in. Serving knowledge that there is need for changes yet back back with the Red Sox you know come -- the I joined the -- -- right after that 2001 season. Were clearly clearly there are some things wrong and there's some culture change needed in. -- -- over to him after the 2002 season and so it did become a priority to bring -- some personalities like Ortiz. An alarm players like that do it does have been embraced embraced the role in about threats can wouldn't let. Wouldn't let -- outside influences bother them literally. Create significant bonds and his teammates and establish. Certain way of doing things in the about serve of the team well through the to the grind of the season on the spotlight. And I think I think. That really helped and became well established and and sort of morphed into a little bit more of a professional culture -- -- a little bit out of control after there -- some success and certainly. At the end you know something's got away from us and said the club bounced out is that you and see that evolve and I'll hopefully take some lessons in and he's been here at the houses we've had. The culture that really need it to be transformed into a winning culture you know we lost under one games last year. On the club out that that. They'll -- in the coaching staff and the better himself to sell really well the winning culture and now it sounds. Ridiculous to caught a winning culture -- -- under one losses but there wasn't a single players complained. If players at each other's backs. Nothing leaked out -- -- -- out and did they prepare hard they played hard. And this certainly covered for each other and we got rid of a couple players who were. Some issues and that's important they're really ultimately there's only so much the front office can do it falls to the manager. It's some of the veterans do to establish. What was called culture club. The hot stove cool music events roundtable Friday January 11 the concert is the next night to go to the website foundation to be named later. Dot org didn't take a look and see what's going on there in -- we appreciate your time thanks a lot. Yes thanks but you know there are hot stove show here 937 all across action WBA -- radio network -- and rob Bradford Alex beer and joining us now in the AT&T hotline. Is out score -- keeping howry. Not too bad not too bad out you are you were general manager of how bosque real close down in. What. What day in case you don't know out -- he only wanted to take an actress and I can say that well as you noted. Very successful season down there and Javier Vasquez is on your pitchers now. With reports of the Red Sox will be looking and I guess we're hoping for a a scout report how we looked out for you. Well I actually. Got. You can score points there and -- it can make a couple of Elton rodeo I'm not. After the regular seat and an occasion as is the has been an -- and obviously you know that he's been on the ball and even if you haven't -- to. I would pick and -- actually and I don't lob it up you know -- -- you know -- Is it out like a regiment. Retirement. You are you are playing tennis and hitting it. -- -- -- out there and you could just took our help he does to do it you know lineup. While he wanted to pitch or were you go into it WDs seem pleased are pitcher. And pulp art and you know he's a bit. Yeah you know. Every every competitor now and -- -- at the apparent that he LP and. You know Iguodala continued at all to see when he pitches and -- -- -- -- restarts weren't people don't welcome and. -- us was gonna ask you obviously you know this been well reported that. The Red Sox have shown interest there you scout tomorrow's start but have you noticed a lot of teams a lot of intro especially as he's. Has success going through this year. Yeah you know. I -- you know the Washington national at a guy that he let out. Our end at Toronto Blue Jays go all too well. What a bit and it grows you know. Obviously and what are we would like I'll repeat the competition is a lot better now you know more intense. So I could -- or -- -- the actual people that great it's. -- -- -- -- Him. And all that you know I didn't let up on people you know he's got him to pitch you know money -- did contract in a game and -- equation. -- right now we pitched -- people WBZ. -- -- -- Alex when you say that he's looking good that he's looking healthy what kind of stuff for you seeing from him at this juncture how close is it to what he was working with and -- in the major leagues. Well you know it it doesn't actually a good thing you out or not he's blah. 2011. You know -- the first. You know do a lot of people would doubt you know what you do you start his cutter and -- you incredible heart and obviously. He competitor that he repeats his -- You know these seem like you repeat every every -- you know I'm not. Like. And I'm delighted GM hire a college scouting -- -- sharpen our current outing and Lee got old rock. I just meant we needed -- strike it's quite -- but when he's bobbled -- ball. He too tight like it is right now you know he's great -- -- because you can't strike. The guy you had on your team earlier years in zero interview Renato a Red Sox prospects. What are your impressions of him before he got hurt. You know a reporter before but you know. Uttered you know I I -- -- that he wants page you know he. He's been going pretty. -- I'll -- -- you are not he got here actually the personal practiced. And you -- -- out you know and so we're not thought it would look very well into -- what are we need to do. Subplot is an -- you can see. Why do you look I brought up -- get -- come out of MLB. You know I think. I don't know -- or what but Brandon is a lawyer could play. He's probably gonna come into a matter -- and I like that as they held the ball couples is -- an -- -- and important. -- she appreciated governments of your time in good luck with the -- assume luck with a playoff first front Aqua could pick. Aspects of affinity for the Red Sox. -- -- It's outscored guys jump out from we'll start that and yeah I didn't know that supporter particularly those rules that you could I don't quite believe it I just isn't that that -- didn't have to -- he had -- he would -- he's just pitching for them and -- season but -- yep work wearing a Mets interest thing. When you have that kind of talent available as. You know maybe a march addition. You know after the WB's the guy he'll encounter a lot of interest for. So some some contender -- contender is going to lose one of their star ball and also opens up the conversation of the whole WBZ topic obviously Vasquez guy. Who's gonna take it looks like he's gonna take advantage of which is. The Red Sox could potentially have four guys in their starting rotation provisional rosters but. -- gonna pitch but for guys who are in the conversation for pitching. And we remember what happened Dice-K. A few years ago and how horrific that allies in terms of going into the it was 2009 as -- 2009 season was basically ruined by WBZ preparations and was never the same -- granderson is terrific -- WB's employee what -- you -- -- you -- I applaud -- for -- like his -- it was 89 miles an -- the as we get him real quick and I heard it from an overall Albion and of the offseason types of the National League team. Yeah maybe what you say San Diego while some people are saying maybe Japan to that's ethnic back to back to theory before you that year and even jump vote. For you when you guys that are I thought that it was very interesting to hear him say that he thought before the trade with the Dodgers showed that the Red Sox organization. Was kind of moving in the right direction a unified direction. In perhaps was moving on from the hole. Monstrous culture that he would die that he felt he was apart of at the end of his tenure in Austin making some bad signing by the that was interesting -- -- -- -- -- white flowers during the -- -- you should. I'm sure -- Well well well who -- know it was -- instead of lawyer looking everywhere after eating out Thanksgiving dinner -- with the shelling yes while he would Theo goes down and Red Sox -- but. I agree with Alex -- to -- Theo talked about. The perspective. The trade first of wall and and the approach going into this year and and so that we talked about the in the show the dynamic between sharing in the ownership it's. It is something that I think he has unique perspective. If I find it hard to believe which is six -- went back last year Nancy opportunity presented itself but it made it it's like they would deal because the deal was there. So yeah that's the kind of deal anybody. It was it was. Given where the franchise was it was a deal they had to me yeah that that was obvious every one thing. But it was a time for the franchise to kind of take stock of where was and figure out what kind of operating principles -- needed going. Laws also another interesting thing was he said about the money every once -- -- -- all this money you have more money now than any team in baseball. -- -- payroll can go higher but as he points out the dynamics have changed so much that doesn't mean as much as it did even a couple years ago right -- Every week we asked this question and what -- we are now in this ordeal but we get back here together next Thursday. Is Mike Napoli going well etc. its secrets it's actually a month from today. A month from today it was. That December 3 are few days the 32 day right and an agreement -- -- a third to a third. Yeah but you know it's like I think is it happened yet you know I think by the -- is. Just total gas but I think by the time we reconvene next week it will something happen -- on the first base position chart or does that mean. Them bouncing -- While -- Can I Kalish kid I can't tell I was -- year I mean. It's what I -- that it isn't it for information it is Floyd like fine wine and Mike Napoli situation trying to. At some point on the some conclusion I gestured took awhile as long -- and -- this post. There is which should thank Theo Epstein -- next Friday and -- the hot stove cool music foundation to be named later dot org is the website I'm more information. Out score we thank him rob Bradford out spear we thank you gentlemen are quit thank you you're awesome -- its history. We're back return tonight hot stove show and play like. Coming up here a --