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December 13th Hot Stove Show

Dec 13, 2012|

Kirk, Rob and Alex are all back together again and talking about what has been the most active day of transactions so far this offseason. The Red Sox introduced Shane Victorino, Josh Hamilton agreed to a deal with the Los Angeles Angels and Ryan Dempster agreed to a deal with the Red Sox. The guys talk about all that and how those moves have changed the landscape for free agents and where the team can go from here.

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But still show earlier 937 WEEI Turkmen and Alex beer and rob Bradford are all attendance the first time advocate for weeks. And it's a good day albeit attendance guys absolute. Insanity a muggy afternoon in Major League Baseball started with. Chain victory in those press conference in appearance a mom alone sound like that Chinese who was on the commercials with silly 3000 hours and -- Sound like him for all those -- 1991 exactly. Rob Bradford says the burial which is always great -- in the studio with them. Premium Brownback -- great Josh Hamilton -- 125000005. Years and now looks like Ryan Dempster. Is going to sign -- with the Red Sox right it's our guests are well agreement is done pending physical whatever we don't know physicals go yeah pending physical. Two years and 26 point five million yeah. With shoelaces as I was -- Alex earlier today is is somewhat suspect that he turned down a two year 26 million dollar. Reported contract from the Kansas City Royals and now he jumps back in accepts this offer. I think he had more to do with the fact that -- never existed rather than you really -- if the. I understand why because I look at Dempster as I did with is doing victory on -- to lesser extent of those with him -- -- C guy who split and actually his whole career he's going to turn 36 and they is that correct first a good job -- right on the board -- as fast Shane Victorino for the rest of the show. I don't into the Red Sox are under any illusions that he's going to be atop the rotation guy I think today they wanted to get a guy who was a reliable innings guy. Who's you know who is an excellent clubhouse presence -- who has a track record that's actually. Really good if you look at over the course of the last five years he's been playing. In front of really bad defenses now that nevertheless you're after a year with the exception of poignant last five. He's posted pretty darn good idea are raised -- a good quality start ratio with Texas even after making the jump. Yet a couple of starts that you know kind of went off the -- but he got a better quality start percentage than any as a member of the Rangers. And any member of the Red Sox did. In 2012. About it's that's -- that's not exactly you know -- -- -- several resorts here and out our special -- but to -- the National League. It's two months in the American League got his brains beat means you -- it was over five in the American League as whip was one point -- his career ERA in the American League in league with the Rangers. It's four point eight -- Yeah I mean I think the biggest selling point was Ryan Dempster is that the announcement was he -- the law. The game and he needs someone like that I do you think. It's kind of a costly thing for our wanna call insurance but that type of that type of pitcher because. You can jump in and say hey you know what were upside. Slot in Frank Beamer Allison and off you go. By that I would well yeah but a little bit of -- yet here's the flip side of that is that. No and under no one's thinking of Franklin Morales -- the -- -- it right Dempster has been for the last or five years so. -- I do think it was a very expensive. Quote on quote insurance isn't heater in his knees and battery life again by -- and there's actually potentially play a good answer -- welcome back to my original point is that. I think this was the priority is that they needed someone like that in the rotation now. I still think and I've said this all off season and guys that they really wanted to get in that slot wise to -- thought Daniel Bard was going to be. Which is a controllable guys who could potentially be -- the rotation -- may be along the lines of they've missed out on Josh Johnson or something like that who has the sympathy is not controllable don't know I understand why every for a couple years you Islamic overrun normal for a one -- that's a bad example but it. That's true it is -- yes and I thank you and -- gets something right. The by. About a guy I guess and where -- the reason I mention Josh Johnson was because a guy who could potentially jumped in the top rotation we look at Ryan Dempster. And I think that I don't know maybe Alex with two little different by big Kirk and I agree I don't think anyone think he's -- -- opening day starter one or two no totally agree I think that that the Red Sox I. Him to be a a reliable -- for someone who's going to be able to absorb some innings someone who in the words of one talent evaluated that I was in touch with today. Said he could he he can kind of kick the butt of of some of the weaker lineups he's probably going to struggle against some of the deeper lineups in in the major leagues. But still he showed some you know he showed some pretty interesting swing and miss stuff. Both with Texas and with the cubs at times there was Kerry was actually higher with with Texas down nine in August starts but still. It was -- I go back to the Red Sox here assuming Napoli gets through will talk about that and by the way we have no guest tonight. Interactive guys way sports talk. Every as the seventh show. Since what 77797937617779. 790 threes and get your calls here. Throughout the hour a look at OK so forty million which is safer now. Forty million offer victory in the team in the 26 for Dempster 1066. For Ross won twelve and how much for -- Thirty potentially. Except us spent about a hundred how much this offseason. Fifth with some aerospace 140 million direct. We -- -- -- return -- because there's Johnny Adams as well talk to Carl -- nine everyday put it is a good return so far well call it that you located at all not a good -- this is a good contract -- a good of a deep Ortiz that's. Other than Ortiz is a guy you look at you say disguise apps are going to be paying for the -- Allies think that of all these guys are complementary guys and then we've made this case where they fit needs for the Red Sox. I think the one guy that can make this a make or break is remains Napoli I'm a big that was. But potentially. Policy difference maker but that that was an important piece of the puzzle now. If fact goes the ride a -- goes south and it's going to be problems going to be real problem because if they didn't get Napoli big Fella Napoli wasn't gonna work out. That you maybe you extender for maybe you know five years for judge him I know they went through that but. I am right because that middle and we've had department -- that -- the order back. So hard to five so I understand where you're coming from when you asked the question of are you -- with the return quote and quote but it essentially the Red Sox have adopted a different model of risk assessment. They've decided instead of kind of putting the eggs in one basket if they're going to diversify and they're going to get a lot of different baskets and -- out there that there's ought to be said for that coming off of a couple of seasons in which they've been just crippled. By injuries they're taking the approach that we need to basically build insurance into our roster of the signing old guys to do. They're signing older players to do it correct who are in their thirties and I I wrote about that at some length today. The question of whether or not they're going to have went there there is a risk associated with the strategy thirteen things that are going on. One that they're going to need depth in order to make it through the next couple years to their betting that their next crop of their next wave of prospects is gonna be really freaking good. If they're wrong about that second part. In the whole model of this offseason is a bad well in this VR is that. The success of this a lot of it spends on two guys who are already on the team Ellsbury Lester. To a certain degree -- -- thing. By the U if if those guys don't perform those type of guys don't perform then all the stuff -- -- that it's a really bad strategy because you're getting complementary player. Our round guys who aren't performing to level yet. You know what I was Batman good tried to do here in some fashion news. -- -- We're just punish him by doing two or three years of it right out of doing and the way ranked boat tried as it tried I tried to -- tried to move Lester keep those guys. Long term get guys back start over completely start over and I understand that kind of what they're doing on the slider -- these two or three year deal. Not 56 year -- that's what I would do. But they still can -- I understand update they haven't but they haven't say they've basically kept complete flexibility they're able to say that they're building a team they're investing in a team. In trying to see if it can become a competitor and 23 team right. And if it's not then Jacoby Ellsbury street -- right now stinks even though he has to drag even though he can get a draft pick for team acquiring him and it stinks relative to what it committed. If he puts up a huge half of the season. He can -- this yours Zack Greinke but let's have a seasonal -- -- to match in this world is on these guys healthy the Red Sox are going to be that's like while a mix yeah they're knocking the tree. Right correct if they're solar contenders than -- well about what is it they're 500. The party last year there were 500. At that point there were two and a half two games while that decision making process is a lot different when the guy has half a year left before free like the other seat -- that you. -- they do -- they do accepted if Ellsbury is value was very low last summer so it was the right time to -- well why it seems a lot of the team trade for Ellsbury they know. -- -- -- season because we have a chance to put them over the top just like Zack Greinke let's argue that -- and if they're if they're in the -- they -- -- they -- content they don't let the 500 and not really contending. That's -- that's the trick that's the problem that's exactly they were last year they were very good but they weren't they were they were bad enough. Right it made -- they've made the big trade mid August sitting right bill that was different to join you during at the trade deadline by. There's no perfect target trade Toby Ellsbury as Alex you both pointed out it's. It's an imperfect scenario but I think with this Hamilton thing the conversation becomes interesting with -- a little bit with Texas we talk about the Red Sox in their offseason. Well Texas missed out on a lot of things here and I know they were in on Justin Upton. But you wonder if there they've always liked Ellsbury if they're gonna give back on that that train in. Now where the manners or -- or -- these teams who missed out the Hilton thing is gonna push things along whether it's. The trade like -- -- very trade or even the other outfield market. It goes according to a source -- that swisher wasn't gonna sign until after Hamilton signed so -- sides. Now we get the ball rolling not only with swisher but maybe with Ross made with some of these. Rates 6177797937617779793. Set your phone number. A break we get back to talk about Josh Hamilton or what's wrong with Mike Napoli and your phone -- can you offer anything a monopoly situation. Now. Is nothing until as many as in any case you know. -- You know every every aspect situation resolved you know. Right now we're we're here -- In that area. Are you are you optimistic about the situation and I'm not gonna. I spent Sheraton today talking to the Boston Globe's nick apart out. About Mike Napoli and guys and we'll get the phone calls were to the restaurant second what is the situation right now as we see you with Napoli was going to. Follow. We as you know we talked about earlier in the offseason the red flags of Napoli. There in the world of baseball there are some red flags monopoly in terms of -- wasn't qualified it for me. Lexington qualifying offer for -- which is right in me again that was the first one well why didn't he and white widen day and this might have been the reason. Nicely get to the fiscal and and if you're the Red Sox for any team you can ask about that. And you're gonna get answers but you are gonna get definitive answer until you have the actual physical on that seems to be US happen umpire as I said before. If if things don't work out here in Napoli to me that's a big dent in this offseason. Yeah I agree because then your alternatives become. Either Adam LaRoche or Nick Swisher homered good players and LaRoche -- it's like he's asking for crazier is asking for three years 33 -- He's thirty he's he's -- he's thirty series he's gonna be age 33 for next right. Problem but he's so he wants three years but then you're getting into it giving up the draft pick which is something they've been trying desperately to avoid -- is he -- caught up better as a lefthander. Well and any other thing is so we knew about his leg hip thing anyway it is that it might be some red flags. Well now there and we're guessing that there's a prominent -- that's one thing and you rework the contract but what happens nobody gets to commit first base. And can you -- how this guy move around what you Carty a questionable first -- the -- Nice and hey you know what is this physical problems really -- -- read him from becoming a better first baseman. This adds up estrogen Hampshire's first Richard's column. They judge Alito that I you're you. I wish I had to do you know what are you 100 trade vote to kick out of my head held -- it's been linked to taxes and -- -- -- -- are trying to -- -- desperate to make -- that. What else very -- a Lackey scored Derek Holland it might all continue to have all and middle brought to play the corner for the next ten years. I just thought I'd flip a coin though from Texas perspective. Why would why they -- to do that the. Because you get -- -- sadder still that the future that it's not about the current year. He -- efficacy can be Kuwaiti here assignment for next year. Yeah I I think. I think you're -- -- and try to like in the bought your scenario as is or is an interesting one but it's I think it's unrealistic John Lackey isn't going to be moving to really any team. As as trade value until he reestablish is what he can be going forward. -- Barry has some Ellsberg is interesting but I don't think that his trade value is all that high right now. In order to be able to land elite prospects and I should add the Red Sox basically are only thinking it would only consider moving -- if it got some legitimate starting pitching kind of guys who were established. You know mid to upper part of the rotation controllable pitchers back so I do this scenario that you're offering wouldn't get it done. I guess Holland actually isn't isn't isn't a bad scenario but again I think that. You know -- there's value wouldn't get you'd necessarily Derek Holland. Shunning is a computer is up next as a -- Doing well thank you -- I think you guys should just scrap the whole game. Right everybody protect and promote our. About it you know we would never show 617 does that set a history there is an associate editor and editor and -- 6177797937. So Anaheim or Boston Angel season for the second straight years who by the war. -- the Big Five years and 125. For Hamilton it sounds like the Sox were not gonna -- past three years I can understand that. Five for 125. For him to win the offseason started was. That's about what I -- neighbor yeah I mean it's in the assumption was that some team was gonna come in and five. Even when we're at the winter meetings and everyone was saying -- three -- you say you know what. It's such a shot in the dark it's -- remain at three or even four. The the the part is surprising wise I guess despite the Rangers to evidently getting go back to the Rangers likely said they were gone because. -- that promise or are. Assurance you would think hey you know what Texas would pay that does look at what they have. Let me ask you this -- the Red Sox for three years right what what is the highest number -- they would be willing to go for those three years I do wonder if they would have gone to a three and ninety. Mr. Hamilton eagles' three and 99 better than 51 point five. I know are you gonna find it as a as a player with the risk of breakdown. You know and there is considerable injury -- -- Are you going to be able to get to in 35. On the back end of that three and thirty. I don't know that he had some tough ones besides which it's nice to know where you're going to be right -- a significant stretch of your life. How seriously did Red Sox series and again I don't think you got that serious I don't I don't think that they I think they were kind of you know they kind of remained in the background like -- You know got it back to if they forgot to three they want to position themselves the best way possible that's why you have the meeting and so forth and so on but. If it did get to three would have been interesting because this is what they. Big win that battle this offseason more times than not because they're willing to pay over -- the short term contracts. But it just wasn't gonna get there. That's a problem to Napoli I think if that if it does fall through OK we'll just say it just doesn't happen at all. A good I meet with Napoli topic it's a great lineup without Napoli Agassi to plug in the -- potentially puts him as a real concern and. Well I think I think it's we're gonna have to hear more about the ailment. But I think it's already concerned because as we pointed out you need this guy to improve as a first basement. And I think that if you played there more he could but if this physical limitations then it becomes a problem. JoAnne Carson -- stuck on -- he's up I don't -- I got -- but you don't. Put up luxury used up Alex rob and that depend compared to week. I I yeah. Mike Napoli we were. I can think -- cut it off right now and -- well. I mean like lol what is stopping them. Nick Swisher -- Cody ross'. In the outfield in treating elderly the end. A prospect or a picture. I went out so I wanna step back from the specifics of what your raising because I didn't write down all the all the components of it dammit I just found at this despite the often a lot of time to be fascinating in the sense that. You can throw just about any scenario out there -- yeah they should trade -- Berry and dubbed Napoli and go to his free agent out. Inside this fourth outfielder for another you know for another 1529 dollars. It is all available like this is one of the most unpredictable offseason with the Red Sox. We've ever faced its there's there's just a -- low quality is not a sports talk radio. It and if it is -- -- See where the market you're guessing where the market falls of Greenville last year they waited out the position players and they get Cody Ross of one -- three million though. Now they were gonna do the same thing with the pitching market but now as we sit here you -- Even despite his criticism of my story every other day if it does raise an interesting scenario which is Cody Ross is still sitting. And you still have Nick Swisher sitting there animal -- and you pointed out but the -- competition but still is that the better way to ago. And it better defense at first base Dick Cody Ross in the health field and I don't know I mean I think you buy it the conversation because I've I think. I thought Cody Ross would be -- now. Yeah I did not I just thought that he as a as a right fielder doesn't have doesn't have to defense necessary in order to be the right but -- about tiger over the Red Sox 00 okay -- are up and no army -- the there's. I guess Cody Ross has lumped in with a lot of these outfielder -- what were gonna be reliant on other guys getting side. When Victorino. On Josh Hamilton. So now I would imagine his address is going to be -- -- -- -- art there's always been teams in on Cody Ross there have been although it is amazing that there's a glut of outfielders available on the market this offseason it's you know and the trades that have occurred. Amplified that not really interest in fashion to the point where it's kind of this interest in game of musical chairs that's reminiscent of what happened. With the clothes -- market last off season where a bunch of closer is gonna help a lot less money except for Jonathan Papelbon all. Speaking of closers. Holy macro Raphael Soriano right. I mean in this despite it I don't know the Boris fives away last year yet Victor Martinez got hurt and yet Prince Fielder and there. -- feel Soriano. I don't do you guys see something that he and I don't hear Michael -- are in tough shape right now spot Tim is got to take stock trade him good evening. Good evening -- -- you. Looking around at street in next year's you know we've -- -- and the much get rid Ellsbury who appeal -- -- Looking at the national that would like Michael Morse. Three here I don't think -- -- -- they could be a bit. And late lady helped heal or what era. -- -- but Michael -- you know written article -- -- and you know potential deal the questions aren't -- The first thing about Michael Morse is that it's unbelievable that as a six foot five like 270. Pound moose. He was a shortstop coming up in the Mariners system. Blows my mind. But I think you're right he's kind of this profile of an interest staying interest in power hitting first baseman left fielder right handed hitter which is something that the Red Sox are kind of heavy and I do think though that the Red Sox have put themselves in position for some flexibility going forward with the outfield especially. 61777979376177797937. Your phone number mad dog and all the rest after a break in the flash. That's still showed 937 WEEI. Turkmen and Alex beer rob Bradford here today. Let's -- the most busy day of this threats of this baseball offseason today it's here now I'm missing something. I know you're as always you are not missing something out I don't think it while I was on last week so you know can I know that passed the longest cup course gives his as best he does it really from the -- ratings yet I think he did. World's highest paid -- -- Boris sins wealth. Give back to the phone calls if you gonna trick or treating this just don't -- mobile -- -- fall apart if it Doug Hoover Europe. Hey guys I don't what's -- what prevented teams from single play before they make more formal offer. We went to the medical stuff. First there waiting to avoid that situation they have an apple and now the -- -- -- something that the the -- in the cup after the did the medical exams. Well as I said before I think they knew about some things may ask around they do their research. But yeah. They did Kobe get there were eleven of the Euro whatever whatever it. It will begin -- keep themselves that they is similar to wanna beat them before making an on an awful it. I won't -- I will say this is that sometimes medical's are exchanged for him freeagent situations and that's one -- grip I'll say it again. That you'd truly don't know exactly what you're doing live until you do of his I don't think the unit they're gonna get the medical's by the document due to physical until you get the. Gonna happen guys I was just say that they find obviously thoughts and they don't like what is alike listeners can do more than that there. -- talks between England -- neighborhood we saw. With -- withdrew contract I think I think very clearly or very likely the latter unless they found something that's just you know that they just use a time bomb which is the Rich Harden scenario right remember that they have to think deals before based on medical's. But in this case I think that they understood that there's probably some kind of risk that was going to. And bit and it might be out there. And so yes they'll find some language to protect them or perhaps they'll see about you know saying okay let's make it a two year deal with a -- yeah. I agree with Dallas but they -- come back to it still. Users can you need a guy who can withstand playing first base and an infield and the Mike Napoli for the last few years even without this does physical risk are concerned. -- he wasn't going to be the the possible first baseman that you wanted your hope that you get a -- -- healthy guy who's gonna get better but -- around with a bad -- the first -- Is not -- ultimately apparently put our faith and Red Sox medical staff. Has always done at all as a whole new ball is -- -- new medical staff we'll see Allison in Cambridge as I don't. Know. Hi there I'm gonna start out with a it is expected which is whether it succeeds and I truly believe that and that's good about using it did obviously -- training camp. And people forget that it was -- received 500 until Patrick. And into the wild again. That I've forgotten back. The punishment -- packets that were probable and in sorting -- other than it is here. Is that it's not compelling pepper spray and that's kinda thing as saying the same thing present players. Haven't -- with the inherent unpredictability -- I disagree with that people -- that's my cameraman is that it probably repeatedly talked about the. But our problems -- political events and people that they -- -- -- -- for not being able to resign he resigned aspect. And that but the fact of the nominations at 1000 -- -- -- proper password and a -- yeah I think we're being -- the Yankees. And -- but -- having -- think about that at the beginning has been throughout and even after. We'll go -- captain's pick a president who can recognize. -- think about it on the first day of the transnational in the via. We're talking there was no talk about power both me and crap happens that the Yankees. Al Alison I'm sorry how does this tie into what what's gone ran out the rates. I think that I think I don't abandonment and and be confident that it would be brave and I think we have done well I don't know that I don't I I'm worried about implementing this. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- You know he's he's tried with Dell's very year he made to move the Dodgers fine it was obvious it sounds like he's been trying at least talking. About moving masters I don't know what that big move is in the past give it to -- yes. Well it had been of the flip side this is he talking about a brave move. I would imagine that the ownership group did have a very good day today when he found out about Josh Fields and I would be. And when they the Red Sox -- -- because because I would not put it past him at all to say you know what. -- come on the scope for years -- -- go five years and see what we can do and you talk boat being boulder whatever. If you're gonna -- of pat pat and say hey you know what there's something better down lineman Josh -- makes more sense. That's not easy to do a lot of times in Boston. Fighting but to be fair here I mean Henry when he talked at the end of the year and keynote here and said they don't want to make those deals now I understand it's it's wanting to say nothing than to listen to it. But you know if they -- Josh Hamilton for five years yes I could be some people who like it. But I'm getting an overwhelming feel like from Red Sox and the upset that -- give Josh Hamilton 5125. Other -- says there's a faction in and I understand where you're saying but still you go through Christmas at Fenway and you don't sell as many tickets as you thought you might. Then things changed a little bit your your view of the world changes a little bit you get a little bit -- it's human nature. From the ownership side from the front office side is different and that's why she did you know they believe that they have to dig and. With regards to chairing Tim and his general compartment as those. I do think that he's more of a he has more of a long term -- I do think that is what he's been doing the way in which he and his front office. Have been attacking this offseason. It is kind of consistent with what he did it with building the farm system. From 2002 through you know through its its best years really through you know 20052006. When it kind of created this nucleus it was so important for event 2007 to 2019. It ended up being very effective but. You know I'd I think it to a degree. Sometimes. Sometimes. Sometimes hesitancy or at least -- or at least caution. Can be a kind of bold statement but it doesn't seem like one. When you're CLO that's Josh Hamilton that's what I believe it's everywhere -- Josh Hamilton signed. There was going to be in -- Kirk you said that hey you know while lot of people don't wanna judge Hamilton site but -- it's quite do as -- for the big show. And gotten people people screaming saying why didn't they have signed Josh -- that after the blue jays trade names were Glenn and Michael yeah. And I -- -- and -- on the tax on the clock at the Simpson but yeah I know some majority but there and I don't think actually -- -- a malignancy post I think we'll also -- find out -- -- that we need to do it but I think the Red Sox fans have seen. What is happening -- -- sign that's -- long term view as the situation they were put in before they got bailed out by the Dodgers again recognize him with music line example the guy. Would fall to that mid to late thirties and beaten by the six year deal right the risks associated with him and ages 35 and 36 -- real -- historically very rarely works to we'll go -- -- first while stock but Jacoby Ellsbury acres. ID -- in my car or. I didn't think you'd be a lot like I try to trade out there and -- -- it retreated quickly that I could be like to hold on him. Recently here in -- etiquette here I think it should definitely try to keep them. Because they won't hurt. Chris Chris of two -- report what's what's walk through this -- Ellsbury has a year not as good as 2011. But are really good year you've seen the contracts for these guys. What kind of numbers -- years in number Jacoby Ellsbury was up horses as agent point. Yeah I don't know I mean look like Hilton at WE EK. European getting -- I do it ought to be our year presently hello politically elected Mac cams contract and lucky to go beyond that was just a back up wasn't a free agents Ellsbury is a year for argument -- 2011. Then forget it I mean he's gonna get six or seven years and a 130 and forty million bucks -- easily easily -- of these six times when he and the Red Sox have basically said they're not going to do. I I think that it would be especially because they have viable alternatives at least in center field Jackie Bradley junior brought it by that and we've talked about this before over that raises an interesting point because we're just saying. RL's first good move on injected ravages of movement. Well we've seen it before where guys going don't go to many hits a bump in the road and it might be another year you added to his progression which. You know and that's where baby Victorino factors. Exactly that's why they got victory -- insurance not just for Jacoby Ellsbury and to give them the kind of flexibility in order to deal him the right deal presents itself. But also -- bit of Jackie Bradley progression doesn't have mop the majors. At the start of 2014. So then chain victory -- can be here every -- center fielder to start when they're paying victory -- thirteen million to be an okay hitter against right handed pitching if their top prospect isn't really good and Jacoby Ellsbury leads. That's about right -- -- -- there was thought -- for the other citizen India and adjacent to the typical fight. -- -- the I'm in the southern part of Indiana. -- -- -- -- -- I did let one of the typical Leo very how I -- -- it yeah I sir yes it is your call on Angola are honored that you 88. Well. We didn't. -- got I would be out keeping. I totally believe that your biggest problem I think well in 08 beginning that are going to help you. It is not a -- -- What that there was nothing like. A deal out there and it will I hate you a little intrigue. And its backers -- Lou and company I think he should only do you almost 200 and what they grew -- art I heard about it quote that he would be enough. Yeah the White Sox are going to move a -- like I was in Canada has -- you know he has one year of service time or one plus. Under his belt he was an all star who should just tremendous swing and miss stuff. As a starter last year so. But you know certainly that kind of is that that's kind of the profile. Generally I think that might be -- a little bit high for what they would be seeking for Ellsbury but if they were to move -- it would need. Solid starting pitching they wouldn't need advanced morally isn't going to get it done the Phillies pitcher who moved for Ben Revere I don't think it Trevor Bauer who moved in the Diamondbacks deal. Eyes to the Indians would -- -- got a question really. Is the picture of the going to give back -- view as more Bible as the draft potential that kind of situation they -- definitely need to have. It's more valuable than the draft pick plus your bells -- and that's considerable value. Gary Ellsbury is enormously important to this team is. We keep come back to Napoli in the in the -- touch on about the offense been underwhelming. Well I think it's a good offerings in that would Napoli in the middle there and this is why they got the got to purge that hoping that he can play first base. But if he's not there or if he's hurt he's out of the lineup becomes a totally different wanna be relying Seoul march a Jacoby Ellsbury bouncing back to exactly what he was. A couple years ago. 61777979376177797937. A breaking your calls we get. What's going -- to handle Sanchez. Well funny mentioning budgets and on the baseball has now. This -- to three some reports against the news the cubs are -- in -- offer. It looked like it was trending toward him going there but Detroit evidently won't get last sale -- -- go back to Detroit and say you know like he matches. If they do. According to reports. He'll end up in Detroit. Which their cubs I've I feel like bird for Theo and the cubs this is just like Nicaragua and Jose Contreras so it will be broken chair. I thought I was the window with the with the chair was the winner meetings intimate girdle on. Beacon a real bottom. It as we always defense testing for a ten year anniversary is up. Beautiful -- thought if I were that to -- The husband quiet and other than this right that means that require news like he's almost a ghost that seem like you guys there being too much -- I don't at all see you in now on the at the rule five draft on the last -- they were that the cubs. Folks didn't make it much down into -- Robin that -- you are up next with. -- -- -- -- -- -- If you're already -- don't -- up. Well in the contract total -- far under 47 million dolls. Close in other news twelve million balls to complete dog steal those week. That brings the total look at your 106 degree and also. Why would the Red -- make it be with the Georgia clearing brawl that salary off the books and Bangalore standard in this fashion. Well because they had a ton of needs I mean they had vacancies all over the place and I think it. The way in which are viewing the spending by the Red Sox to say that they've basically spent up all of there. All of the money that they've created is I think that that's. That that presents a falls. Version of what they're actually spending on they've diversified what they're spending on this still have a lot of financial flexibility that they would have had. Had they not made to deal with the Dodgers so. Even accounting for all of those elements that you reference that I think they still have twenty million dollars under the luxury tax threshold will spend this year in like fifteen next year Robin. In if you look at it as they -- -- look at it and said hey you've you have those same players he treated Dodgers next year would be better team shore. But that's not the point the point is that you would be so inflexible. Going forward that -- Yes so that scenario. And why wait all well know it in Europe you're making my point is that. Then the fact this is that you were still flexible because of these contractors sorry that's why deciding these type. Condit and here's the thing on I do agree with rocker to an X thanks thanks for not you thanks for cholera. Yes they have the money is spent understand flexibility understand they're doing in terms of the years are right. But the pleasures and a great players. You know he's overwhelmed with Jonny Gomes we overpaid for him. Nobody is overwhelming Ryan Dempster stock last year against these outings American League's Walker's seven years old. I mean look at these guys is nobody's out if you got this -- a -- thing. We just maybe a 160 million dollars and don't. The only interesting thing I think this speaks how much money some baseballs that. You have guys and Shane Victorino and you have Mike Napoli in some it and who are covering up the worst years of their career. My MS Davis but I. Yeah I understand where you're saying these are we've set a time and time again these are to fill holes short term. And that's where I come back to race in early news show that the how this works for the Red Sox in the short term is the guys who are you there are stepping up in being what they were. Once war in you need to be careful about making the assessment of what they are whether or not they're good partners based on the worst three seasons because as we've seen before the Red Sox for instance have benefited considerably. By signing Adrian Beltre where'd you looked at his numbers and yet like a sub 700 PS like year. And right when you are but -- well -- to him three years or what here well I guess but I mean I am and I understand -- I'm not looking at. Victory about him in his career against -- looking at Dempster who was old it was a couple years ago. I was good rusher in the -- -- is not you know again against American League and with. Napoli now there's an injury situation you throw in Ortiz who -- mr. -- to -- probably that deal. And Ross the overpaid. Also -- 47 million dollars. It's fantastic return you to eat them but where do you see huge holes. This team yeah. Right -- the -- to -- the rotation of Lester Buchholz two bronze. Lackey in Dempster may not inspire accounts are -- it's pretty dead right I mean there you have your five guys were were capable of at least average to above average correct yeah -- -- we can go the other way to chart and the -- now you are evaporating you dwell on that and more certainty epic with something that it's. May be so although really if you look at the readers of Lester and Buchholz and and factor in things like. You know batting average on balls in play stuff like that they were they had good stuff last year but he had a bad or -- is a bush is buckled and lacking those guys both rubio. I mean I guess that that's across from the you can ask about any pitcher Denny that you have more certainty that some guys -- -- not now I I agree there there are there health question marks that loom over. A lot of those but again those are that's endemic to pitch and I think you guys both -- People wanting more next week. 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