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Rob Bradford breaks down the Victorino deal from the Winter Meetings

Dec 5, 2012|

D&C talk with WEEI.com's Rob Bradford from the Winter Meetings in Nashville to discuss the Sox's most recent free agent pickup and what will happen with this team in the long run. They discuss whether or not the Red Sox are setting up a big deal involving Jacoby Ellsbury and how all of these new pieces could fit together.

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-- four Dennis and Callahan. Conversation with WEEI dot com rob -- is brought to you. By the beaches of Fort Myers -- and a -- find your I would today at Fort Myers -- dot com. Joins us on the AT&T hotline AT and eat or GLT eat. From the baseball meetings in Nashville Tennessee good morning rob Horry -- Derek -- your letter grade for each one of these three acquisitions so far happily Gomes and victory in just right off the top -- -- letter grade would give these deals. I give out -- because I was always a pretty big proponent of that. That's the -- and we'll give. He. Give oh victory you know if people are. A serious serious question -- serious question. Do you think David Ortiz is happy about this they gave more guaranteed money than Napoli and Victorino a couple put two and guys. Then he and he had the flight four he got thirteen in two years they get thirteen each and Parikh. -- well that that's a great question but I think that if David Ortiz didn't get his. What you wanted. They might give -- by the Deaver he's got what he wanted. You know it goes back to. If if if if we get to the middle year and if we hear Deaver he's grumbling about this of an electric would be to completely wrong. But I do think that the fact is they -- -- out for something and that must be I mean you can probably make. Fifteen million dollars a year over two years. So they are I think that he got what he wanted we are at right now as we sit here I don't think you. More -- this will require a great deal of speculation on your part by posed the question anyway. If the Red Sox offered Torii Hunter three years at 39 million dollars we've come here. That's a really good question I I didn't think so we've got to remember to vote you guys in there in something or proposed throughout -- end up being around what you got to -- law that's overpaying for them but. You know this is that this is a whole new level but I think that. I think they liked Victorino believer not -- Victorino better than -- -- this really versatility because of his age. So yeah I mean. Torii Hunter wanted to go to what was perceived as a contender. And this was the battle they were gonna face across the border -- and that's one of the many reasons why they had to execute the strategy there executing which is. You -- overpay. In the short term to to get some these guys here. They on a CBS sportsline Scott Miller writes. Rugby rights within thirty seconds of the Victor -- news breaking many executives. In the opryland cascades lobby thought it was the silliest thing they had ever heard -- What was what did you hear what did you see what did you observe being in that that play that little place. I I I heard the a long -- the same thing in terms though. Everybody will not everybody but a lot of people on their -- while you know that's a lot for Shane Victorino they overpaid. I think some of the red -- people understood that they understand that they overpaid. So I am here to that extreme but. But in this is the big guys is that. Yet they overpaid they overpay for every single one of these creations they've got so far. But the way they're looking at it is that it blog it doesn't hamstring them from doing other things. In other words. If Josh Hamilton felt that right now. And says hey you know you don't courtyard three years there in consideration for them and they can make a run out of the blog as they can say. We can't time that we can side judge Hilton because you know -- to -- of contract cabinet and struggled. Then that's okay that they can throw around this money go blog it doesn't affect other things they wanna do. So beyond the theme being flexibility here in the short term. Is also pretty clear that one of the a fuel driving this engine is good team chemistry cohesion clubhouse guys they want to go off flush out the toxicity that was that clubhouse the last couple years. What big if you look at the club mostly. Right now compared to what it was. From just from my what I understand of the -- they brought then yeah I mean certainly looked like a priority. You can hit that have to be like the third -- -- think that you consider. When you when you're acquiring these guys as you have to have now. And you can't worry that if you can have good guys who don't bring anything to the table. So but I do think -- -- is under consideration all these guys if required so far are at least perceived to be good club -- guys. You had to guess would you believe that the ultimate shoe to drop here is the trading of Jacoby Ellsbury for starting pitcher. Putting Victor Reno and senator fielding getting you the swisher may be Cody Ross signed a playwright. A -- openly shooter drop publicity whatever they can do with -- -- this money. And made out -- -- put on the proper he's project with a payroll right now as we sit here with -- arbitration cases. Around -- 138 million dollars. So that we we know that kind of a 189 million dollar threshold everyone talks about -- they have a lot of money is spent. So maybe it is that -- for a Cliff Lee it it may be yelled very might be part of that deal. Is that it is Dutch -- cable and all that. I think what -- move they make it even amiable that even though I think you'd be crazy that -- what you gonna be out. You know do whatever move they make without money that's next shoe to drop. In -- -- only entries so between the rival officials. Leave the Sox are laying the ground work -- Ellsbury trade for pitching. Is is that which are here in that they may make this moved -- orders. It does Ellsbury for Cliff Lee makes sense to you. Not right now -- I could be -- if you get the money to span you wanna go Dick Clark clip lead -- -- very good pitcher I think you've been very good acquisition. But it certainly yelled very thing. Yeah I think there's the anti and whether what that we've we've made everywhere strutting around throughout the lobby asking everybody. Nothing nothing is closely that they're and they're not on the verge of trading Jacoby Ellsbury. I think they're looking for potential deal down the road. By its -- to put it this way by the time we fly out of Nashville. I hope that Jacoby Ellsbury is going to be traded. Will there be a trade I mean they're not through -- right. -- no model would get through at all for reasons I just mentioned. Because they have a lot of money spent in and beat and these are very very expensive copper party players right. Probably who cares for me big you know that if they have the might as well ever have before a blogger -- hamstring from. Doing other things these guys can help you win who what what is really going to be interesting to see if they really make of struggle in the you have to laws are going to be trade I couldn't tell you because all the trades that we've heard about throughout the offseason whether it. You know Jose -- -- Jose Reyes -- or the the Kansas City thing or whatever we hear about we can identify the freeagent. But we don't know what they're gonna do in terms betrayed by his side you think it's going to be another bullet to. -- -- I don't I don't get the Goldstein he's gonna play it left against lefties is that the plan. Yeah -- know looks right now. So you pay five million bucks for a guy play left the easiest position in baseball grip and bad -- against lefties which is and 122225%. Of the time so once or twice a week. We're gonna seed Jonny Gomes is not that good anyway play left and Fenway and -- what eighth. Yeah -- me and I pick I think they'll play a little bit more than just against lefties but I understand your point and in this goes back to release that. It's an -- every there's nobody who's gonna say that it's not. They felt like OK you know like he has a -- friendly park gets on base he's the type of guy that we need. Either complementary player and you wonder doesn't hamstring -- other things. Then we're overpaid for men working in Joplin before another team who might also want it or you don't forget them. You know the thread that connects Napoli and Victorino is they are both getting overpaid coming off their worst career seasons I'm wondering. -- in your estimation is -- reverse psychology going on -- really think well these guys can't be possibly that bad they're gonna have bounced back years I think Napoli very well may. But being behind the plate but but I guess the question is as follows you think it's more likely that something like RA Dickey. Will will fall further then somebody like Napoli will rise up the numbers a box in -- Jones and. Well you sir is there and -- go require RA -- -- suggesting that that did get it I think maybe more likely that that there is a bigger difference. Ian Ian RA -- results next year personal last year. To the negative then there will be from Napoli getting bad to good. Yeah I think so there it is that's focused on you know now we first documented or or your victory the first targeted the that you're absolutely right you're definitely if you take a look at that you say hey you know what these guys are having. Bad years and they're getting paid a lot of money off of bad years and what they're looking at a they're looking instill that in and what the red like the and in August you don't have to do that put them in situations where hey you know but that they are going to be able to succeed in other words. If you have Mike Napoli your significant centerpiece of the middle of our order. That you're in trouble because this is the guy who hasn't been able to play atomic games. But it is sitting with Victor -- if you're saying hey you know I mean he's gonna drive the bus at the top of law order then you're probably in trouble. But you don't think that that's the case here so again it's. It's it'll be interesting to see what the next move is for it because as other pointed out now -- as Alex pointed out. You're you have of that quote from Ben Carrington. They went on your radio show before work. They're going to be that all of the top payroll and every once they want how you gonna do it all are great now we know you're at a 130 million dollars. And Justin wrote quite aware of what -- -- next just give 38000039. And then everybody annual events that -- at that. -- wait for the next 39 million for there you go Eric Chavez so. Good 88 can tell -- -- -- why not too well did they make an an attempt to sign. I animal Roche was he he just had two good year last year they want guys who sucked last year is that the the plan. Melvin I think double -- for a while I think that they really like monopoly. Entered the draft pick for not covering -- go to traffic that was the big thing. I did you hit it in mobile -- LaRoche obviously are enormously. Better defensive player and now but not even close. But what are you studying Mike Napoli -- deciding importer his -- -- if he can be OK at first base. Then you're probably gonna keep him in the lineup a little bit longer and I just think it -- like Mike Napoli back. -- rather than Adam LaRoche entire package which include everything becomes with a -- getting. A -- what middle Brooks and Iglesias better work on their throws the first match. -- but -- really politically is going to be the starting shortstop and that's it you know the public you know the move that we hear Biden. You got the equipment maybe you guys better start figures are pretty united for another -- with some moderate. What about that Troy Tulowitzki rumor what happened on that one because you'd been shut down because. Eighties Mecca too much money over to long -- -- that that makes him more attractive to the Red Sox need to get the payroll up you know. You -- 2.0 is this view we keep talking about money in and being able to spend money delegate split the but as John pointed -- that in the years -- what if you get into a long term deal terms in years that's where they're not willing to spend the money. And and that's why they're overpaid for all this -- Thursday. If they ever do get locked into long term deal that better before the exact right kind of left and they learn from the other guys stepped up now. They've -- hum on the subject Alfredo Savvis the manager John -- yesterday said personally I see him as a very dominant reliever late in the game. Second -- sit well with double -- Well I don't know what we'll sit well double. You I said before I thought they ought to send stated position that sent him moment the number and it toward the end of the year I thought it was. Really really poor form on his -- be happy showing up at 5 o'clock. For games. Which is rule that we retard Bob Bobby Valentine's on -- -- 430 that one time. But if they had really dug itself and yeah I understand why they're holding on to Alfredo services enormously talented and that's probably his best role because that's what he was so successful and where a couple of years ago. I think FL have also pointed out there's certainly rule for the -- he -- if he breaks -- then you know hey you know enough is enough. But he's broke and so many rule so so many times before this star I -- the I'm a little skeptical -- that was thing. You think you -- ends up in New York as a temporary. Third baseman kill A-Rod gets healthy. By the end up in Cleveland. But it suited VA drug -- came -- all we we all were kind of going down that happened it'd be great they're they're. Well I could say I hope that you I think you have the big Cleveland both Bianca I hope he ends up in New York. When that Adobe. Gregory fund. -- -- creates all kinds and chaos he did did -- sound convincing when he said I know what's wrong with Bart and I can fix Daniel. Or I don't know if -- today I can fix them that you say that the with the will be encouraging part about what else talking about Bard which is. It's not just say you know what go take a vacation and then come back and everything will be okay. He's very very adamant that there's going to be a lot of hard work to be done in terms of changing what he did mechanically. Physically everything else. And you know I think that that's the right approach should take because. I do think Bard with torn down that road toward vehicle last year which is you know if you mentioned the reset button quite a bit. Well you know I think -- federal open minded -- reset button isn't gonna expects. It's so it I think it and that's one of the deposit you -- with John Farrell that you don't know data bargain you'd taken that approach our rob. And heading out tomorrow tomorrow one more day is stuff for -- though will go put it there were just waiting for the next 39 million dollar on. -- like Dana fund the lobby and have placed us out here. Yeah but you know won't be that guy about. If B I'm sure you guys affect the reporters -- about how big you know source hotel that day who. Oh I think it's cool I've been there I think is one of the cool place just wander and you get lost just keep wondering. Yeah about. It's it is schoolboy you'll have a -- of meetings here. -- rob good talk radio talked to get back later rob Bradford WEEI dot com joining us on the AT&T hotline a conversation with rob has brought you by the beach is a Fort Myers in Santa they'll find your island today at Fort Myers Annabel dot com.

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