Nov 8, 2012|
Kirk Minihane, Alex Speier and Ian Browne are in on the hot Stove Show this week. They talk to Mike HAzen and Rob Bradford from the GM Meetings and take some phone calls on some potential moves that fans would like to see the Red Sox attempt to make.
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Hot stove show. -- and Alex beer Bradford is in Indian Wells sort of did wealthy and -- Thailand has been interpreted -- industry. California filling in for him as our pal Ian -- from LB dot com in the evening. You'd be here if you'd see Bradford slacking again -- you are not merely filling him with all that's that's a promise it's that he's a pretty easy oh my god. Yeah I did -- impact a snorkel and flipper. State to Washington Diet -- yeah his mistake has been Palm Springs in the -- -- -- -- Robbed by the way of working out there despite what you guys. Couple hours ago a industry source told him the Red Sox have shown. Quote strong interest in the possibility of signing righthander Hiroki Kuroda. And you know I figured it we have Mike he's Red Sox chairman drive ten minutes for the first time answered and I figured listen has been a million rumors -- lasted 48 hours on the names. What's that you two guys hurting your way and it's -- it's realistic unrealistic one of these things just it's close out. During this whole you know general managers meetings start crow right now I mean it sounds like this is something guys as some -- Of course they've tried to acquire him multiple times before both in at the trade deadline in 2011 and then last offseason -- it just didn't have the money to do it. It's your role reversal they have more available cash -- the Yankees Seau. It could get interesting at Kuroda decides. If he's open to playing summer besides New York it is the kind of thing with Kuroda where you know it's one year. Areas qualifying offer thirteen threes that kind of thing were you don't need a second year in the Red Sox give them one year and just you know when that. You know at his age I don't think you would necessarily need a second year. -- -- that you won here -- Celtics -- 6070 amend my spirits him. Is that they getting familiar to lace you know we've seen this happen before we get a guy -- kind of by -- any he had that he had a really good year last year. Pitching in New York -- you know you you -- -- -- -- he's going to be able to have that -- -- again as -- -- at 37 years ago. Scott I think I am doing these ESP and things usually me vomit Alex is you know the abilities hideous factor fiction story hunter. Fact ever won his interest in Torii Hunter because it's a short term deal even though he's an older player who's skills should be in decline. If you only have to lock up a guy who produced that much as preferred but say two years then you you make a run at him that doesn't mean you necessarily end up with him but. Your interest is there a concern though guys let's just say both of those guys it now in the offseason -- committed with say I'm 35 million dollars potentially for this year. 23 guys who were 3730 years old. But I -- hunter Ortiz growth chart as long as you're not blocking guys who would be up in the fact of matter is the Red Sox have. Guys who are promising but who are not Major League ready so. These would be the bridges the Albion bridges. Yeah I mean Torre -- enemy is. Exactly the kind of guy in here right now anybody's been around him -- that -- of at that contagious personality. It always has a smile -- -- would embrace this market. -- is a great friendship with that with David Ortiz and you know let's say they need some more happy guys -- have -- -- that after the way things have been in the clubhouse last. Clear for a guy who has taken if there's risk there if you get all of those guys who -- you know obviously the injury risk. Has accelerated but all of them have very good track record of remaining healthy. Even past the point where most guys down is this situation and I suspect last season about this -- there's some similarities there an older guy. Giving that kind of money he can look at in my camera parallel I think it's on the it's scary that you would say at the time with Cameron. The finances were probably more concerned now yes more flexibility. They definitely have more flexibility hunter has a better track record of health and does -- much -- -- group broke -- a lecture to a very good although Cameron had been a pretty good producer in Milwaukee in the coming years before he -- so you're absolutely right. There instances in which those kinds of deals blow up in your face. But there are also instances in which seven year 142. Million dollar -- to open based. In those are tougher great Torre have as a better player but that might mean Sizemore. -- -- -- -- intrigued by that because I think that you know like that and he can be pretty low risk there. February let's face is not really into at a place of where he can negotiate for a big deal is obviously. Comfortable in Boston the he might get revived in this park and we don't know he just guys trying to heart of the big market who had a bad run of and head injuries and other kind of Andruzzi to maybe still has life and as bad as Sizemore and not not too crazy about just. Is is a guy just can't stay healthy at all well. I look at pay though and I know you know he's a popular player -- -- in the media really like him that's kind of the bye -- get the idea that they moves back to Boston know Alex and all of a sudden suddenly gets healthy. I think is not realistic thing though when you look at it don't mean rule but what kind of finances are really talk. Not much it's it is side it was described to me by one industry evaluate or someone -- seen him a lot New York as being the ultimate buy low deal keep heat in this is by as someone who said. Did his struggles in New York or entirely psychological. Did you know that he just became uncomfortable with the place it's still looks like there's -- bat that's what this guy said now I've also heard other contraband and you know I've heard other. -- opinions to that. What interesting factor when interesting factoid. Day and Grady Sizemore are best friends mourn in each other's weddings and districts. As an athlete Jason -- a little better at that 300 intense foot. While playing left field the front of that than it getting concussions were running into things -- you know more fences Nomar wire fences. First base in the right now we'd all agree I think that whoever the first faces for the Red Sox is not currently in the organization. So he's you don't like moral Gomez while fans you know I like Saints I like these guys even your favorite and and not a big fan -- -- and then didn't see a whole lot of upside that. Of all the -- I mean you see reports today now -- the morose he had some of the people has while the Red Sox are interested may pursue him that's seems to need to be the kind of gather -- Sox might want to avoid if they're going to be what they say they're going to be mean you get a guy and his mid thirties coming -- -- a career kind of year yeah I mean. First of all thirty I hate the word interested at this time of year yeah terrific cause for that. Like I think that's a sad thing is I approved this massive -- over all these guys have been so yeah. Does it work like this. Those. Lot of people do but you know I think there. Pass on us like to wait to it was a little more substance before just saying but it exists and you -- the thing is announced a system on the free agent market. -- -- express interest in and every other guys out there there's no reason not to express interest in -- having said that though. Is be the -- interest we did. Yes I mean he's he's -- to me is clearly the best first baseman out there on the market the very the first base market is awful this here. And you know he's the one guy kind of stands out to had a really good you know last year offensively and defense that was so yeah I think it's absolutely legitimate precisely. -- -- -- Didn't the interest of legitimate the cost is going to be. But there's a very good chance because ends up being prohibitive for a guy who would be 33 to 35 over the course of what might be a three year can't equate April 10 days territories he got -- Twice and my three dollars and twice in nine days three area of the Sox and and it got to talk Braves -- yeah Casey Kotchman and that that did not or tail off there what kind of a kind of money were looking for the Roche and is a guy who again you know gold gloves came off really good -- and -- -- was in the high eight -- for this team. He's gonna get paid. There is and he should because there's a scarcity of guys who can who have legitimate power and can get on base. Worth more than a crap. And and who can play good defense he combines a lot of a lot of skills they've lend itself to scarcity of first base where there just is -- on the market Napoli. Interest but caution why didn't the Rangers gave him a qualifying offer. Right now I'd like Napoli because he can catch and complete first and this is just -- the Red Sox. Oh the last two years Sunday you know you have to be careful about don't for the kind of like Crawford golf for the guys just because he kills you all the time and all of a sudden he doesn't have the -- to. The face anymore balls right look at -- he plays I mean he is unbelievable at Fenway Park his numbers here are boffo and one other weird thing about him he played a great hitters park last year. But it. His -- numbers -- actually better his road numbers there's road splits were still really good like made it hundreds open yes. Whereas his you know his home splits were terrible which is weird because. A guy playing in in Texas should do very well now we talked about Kuroda any of the starting pitchers sort of at that level right around and the job done through these these -- -- rumors you've seen in the past couple of -- that makes sense this team is it plausible scenario. Going -- is as Dan Haren are -- haven't. A back issue but I think you know he has by far. You know the the biggest upside of all the guys out there are -- take -- out consistently you know -- it's not. -- fit fit for this market here but I have some pause about. About -- -- if it I think the idea why is Southern California why -- the Angels treatment is having been small market. Just so different playing the I -- there it's it's a different it's a totally different tolerated you took boxing it's a plus a guacamole and sunsets and you know. -- perfect it just that. That they they're not they're not -- Johnny Damon before he came here ever was like well he's laid back and I'm just saying like the guy has pitched on the post and Erstad I was sick establishment -- California you are embarrassed and established pattern of successful treatment of them as well right. I think that the idea that we would now obviously. You have to have a considerable amount of confidence in you know you would have to have Allard Baird the guy who is as GM the guy who drafted him in Kansas City. It is now in the Red Sox front office would have to have him saying he'd be okay here. But I mean I remember having this conversation with Greinke a couple of years ago at the all star game and he said. You know what I think -- -- -- -- my -- -- -- could pitch in just about anywhere wasn't I wasn't always an isn't it but with Greg you're talking about. I mean what would guys be had to guess right now huge money. -- -- to be caught by what is it 5121 that's my points are not talking about two for 26 -- about 120 million dollar investments -- -- five million -- him go along with Betsy. Massive best charm I just you know I mean I think -- and I think the preponderance of evidence they've militants against them signing Greinke. For partly for the reasons that Ian psyched up for the reasons you're talking about Kirk. I just think that we shouldn't be so quick to dismiss him. We heard a lot about the Red Sox and Greinke which always makes me a little it's just. Reminds me a little bit of the Lackey stuff aura like no way -- sign him and they -- idea that is our program. You know Victor in our about it he'd take -- pitchers -- -- as this one has to deal with all the media. And to come up to -- kind of talk from all the time just wonder how are on a couple of situation again especially feet and after about starter. Well that's the thing I mean you know he's won in six with a 574 ERA in Maine he's got notes it is. It's different in Kansas City it is even different than and I am -- out there you turn around as thirty people -- people and -- us. There's another stations there's Internet in the -- I can understand now. It kind of collapse on -- -- that that's an -- Crawford. Yeah that's that's a fair point the idea of him you know it was the first month size does make it different. Mike -- Red Sox general manager would join us next is that -- -- yesterday it's welcome in my isn't Red Sox assistant general managers it's joins us -- except this break on the hot stove hot stove show in 937 WEI -- -- and Alex -- Ian -- in for rob Bradford. And joining us now on the AT&T hotline is the assistant general manager. For the Boston Red Sox Mike -- Mike it's Berkman and Alex spear in you -- how -- you this evening. I'm not too much I don't I don't wanna pick as you know I'm following the stuff on twirled them online of the trade stuff like he's you know -- was a -- And when when I see these -- rooms I don't want architect sometimes -- one of these reporters a -- -- neighbor and just some completely ludicrous junk rumor NC colleagues that gets. Always always always want to help rapper. The other guys they know they they work hard to do -- job that I I would like to Iraq for another direction. That's fair that's farewell I will say that Bradford. Today. Amongst some other guys should it be fair reporting your last couple of hours your your team as strong interest in Kuroda. I'm wondering if that is -- that interest him in the past we know what what is your feelings of him as a pitcher he has. Yeah I mean I don't wanna talk about -- and obviously you know we have we have universe created out there right now -- certainly everybody's aware or needs of players that would be of interest I don't think that's any secret on the court you'll certainly we got to look at ways to enhance our rotation corner infield or outfield. You know most of -- minutes -- first base. You know all the guys that are out there were connecting where we're talking agents. Obviously talking -- you don't traits and they're well beyond the beyond the natural -- trip so no everybody and player right now the nature of the beast than you know then. Right in a way out here it -- everybody and you know you have until the court for the next month so. Can you speak specifically about courtesy picture what you see from just just as a pitcher. Yeah and I need a good pitcher earlier got the -- all 220 in the American League uses. Is are there there is interest in pitcher from our he got off he got ought to make up the pitch that division. A guy. You know we saw that unfortunately gets stuffed quite a bit this year. So Mike doing with the kind of broader universe that you alluded to about of starting pitchers given. The performance of the starting rotation last year and the fact that you guys are pretty comfortable with for the guys -- figure bringing back four guys for the spots. For that fifth starter can you afford a so called like buy low guy. Maybe someone who's trying to rebuild his value due to injury or diminished performance or you need to identify someone with greater performance certainty to round out irritation. All I mean I think anybody would want greater certain be around a rotation you know to the matter caught the Tribune dollar or or acquisition caught the -- court. You know the buy low -- -- were always looking up we're always looking to take risks on those guys. I think. You know guys are scouting out on a good job like in the by -- got out. I will continue to do those things but -- you work on Oprah I think. Thought you shoot brought -- got to shoot for the guy that's gonna make an impact in the rotation first and then you get a -- you know recently site. If you don't end up where you wanna be necessarily -- some of those guys. And and maybe be able go to another direction. You work all the brought the same time and just because so many conversations are going. You know -- happening every -- the market -- -- ducks aren't that you're treated market changes and you know you need to be -- In order to make a deal or or play on somebody to make sure that those things don't go away on it without without you get the chance -- Participate but I think you know first in -- you know I don't shouldn't prior occasion brought up on their -- pal. Last year seemed so -- extraordinary ended at the end of the free -- -- there was a Kuroda available on a one year deal there was an Edwin Jackson available on a one year deal. Do you think that that's that that's that I can be replicated year over year was that just you know look at Boudreau offered you know preceding the 2012 season. I think they'll think go to -- got to throw it can be out there now it may not be you know you look back through -- the -- -- out the the -- fade out and Alvarado one year deal. You know little -- go out there I think that it differing degrees of hurt and out. But but again you know your your your -- both -- those markets. But I do think -- got early going to be out there. Mike Garrett you know one -- intriguing guys in the outfield market is restoring honor and I and I and actually get into specific players but -- unless -- Yemeni -- on a guy like that with his track Greg with his -- just based on the experience you guys had -- with Mike Cameron you know about three years ago when he signed him. You know kick it and the specifics stoppages that -- to ought not Miller let's say that every player and individual every situation is independent. You know it's it's. Fooled -- I think to make. Connection to god that nothing to do with each other. Just because they play a certain position or there there are relatively the same page you know so little more -- the door to each and every one of these guys. You know there that pedigree where they come from the former track injury history although things that you have the way. When you're making the decision one you know one you can't go into it. You know make -- maybe you know you're helping one year it in the -- and work out exactly how you wanna do and say OK from now on right off the bit. You know type player whether the -- rather be no way they get right left position -- such a thing you go your -- he opened minded and examine every. Every situation and. And the other thing in my young as you kind of pursuing outfielders here how -- -- of the fact that you know you have. -- -- -- LS you know Branson and Jackie Bradley junior and and just then you know not not blocking those guys want wants they're ready to be kind of -- our players were. Yeah I mean that we certainly have guys that we really believe in -- not. But they're it you know can't stop from going out late in 2013. Team as good as possible while also. You know keeping old -- always in the back your mind when they're when they're entering into deal or we're talking about trades. But you know we we have to be able -- That are making the trip out thirteen and better as well you -- not a long term future. Red Sox assistant general manager Mike Hazen joins us Mike is obviously Palm Springs what town has -- specifically. I don't know where somewhere in the middle or Indian Wells -- I mean there's no difference between Indian Wells Palm Springs I mean it's all the some. Orchard not dried off court earlier -- out what the temperature. Robert around nine bigger -- each day I think somewhat similar to -- caught up in the northeast -- yeah yeah my wife and kids back here. That that's right by the way I saw -- retro look at it -- pretty I. Last you know -- there's plenty of middle Brooks trade talk I do wonder I understand. Untouchable is is it is a tricky word but is it the point now where you could not envision a scenario where he got moved it all for anybody. It would be extremely challenging for the oval you know you look very good player. I think what he did this year showed the ability to play in our market our team. It's all extremely well -- a lot of challenges. Unfortunate yeah and get hurt into the job that he's in. That got the pretty pretty important for our player -- So look anything can happen. But I would probably say I don't stop. With regards to the areas -- positional need you identified them you know of them you know first base the two outfield corners and such you know starting pitcher. Is there any sense of whether you're more likely to acquire first baseman via trade or free agent at this point is that seems like a particularly tricky market I mean how does that. For that first base market compare to the supply dynamic -- the supply and demand dynamics of like starting pitching in the outfield at this point. Extremely challenging course out right now and not not just in general and trying to -- Hagan are you gotten any answers. But you know also. You know the market shapes up -- -- -- GM meetings sort of the starting point of the conversations -- -- teams just wrapped up the season. Just starting to look -- next year. You know starting you know -- award aren't you going to be what do we want. You know it started out there talking eighteen. You know by the winner being blocked you have much more solidified market terms of where things are going you know they'll be guys that job earlier over the next couple weeks that is going to be got to -- just. Holed out at me again -- to repeating myself but you know you play on all fronts you know you. -- dealing with the free agent market parking accepting that watching where the market move and you're using value -- determine you know. What are going to be entry you know what the dollar start getting beyond reasonable. You start looking at other avenues to acquire and then on the on the other parts you know you get in that situation via trade where. The player become unreasonable and start looking at free agent -- you gotta you gotta walk down that that parallel -- At all times don't very early in terms of -- the market will look like. You know even two weeks. So let's (%expletive) up and apparel hypothetical path because I know you -- hypotheticals. When you have a first I need -- first base so in a hypothetical scenario. You know if Adrian given where the franchise is now if you had a chance to since you repeat the Adrian Gonzalez deal sending a few of your top prospects. For an established star caliber first baseman you do it. Could certainly be in. Yeah I'll -- the roster is now. Don't think you know it aren't -- right now you know I think looking at where we are today vs where we were. Few years ago we're at different points. You know I think I'm not see that we did it and looking for what we want it to bill. For the next you know 35710. Years you know we're going to be relying on on those young players to -- in. And be part of that court future not thought they were up and Gload get the star player to do it all -- down the pot. You know time off that -- the whole -- what what we felt like we should do the cart. It's it's. Impossible say that that situation can present itself again and who goes in the attic and backed out -- a parent through that particular players. Underneath that player going to be you know certainly we need to continue to enhance our rotation. Starting pitching that you know somebody come in and out for that position. First baseman for -- starting pitcher. You know that -- for bankruptcy -- the points -- given what we're trying to -- from -- pitching -- points and you know that that's. Sort child in that regard that hypothetical or a million ways but you know at the time beating adult still won't need to make. -- we're a different look slightly different plate and we worked -- Mike how hard is it to gauge nowhere Iglesias and hardware -- right now kind of what you away you can count on them for you know next season. -- -- I think among all of the end of the season. Certainly it would have been a much -- dynamic walking into the offseason that noble got a 300 in September. Didn't do that. We got to trust what our scouts what are what our player all the guys what their former history tell us. I know it especially -- in which case -- -- offered substantial what was seen from a peak at the airport you know caught more than ever caught this year. -- -- -- This year I think -- probably. And ended up. No pun intended catching up -- them at the end of the season. But you know it is that it's talked go to no looking out from streets that perspective and then. You know just completely say you know this is the way we're all. But at the same time like -- -- we have to go back in and trust your evaluation the timeouts there with the guys. Personality than make up the work ethic. And believe that you know it is a slightly different situation you know and looked through the system fairly quickly. And you know we definitely believe in god sent to potential and think that he's gonna outlaw that the potential while it may be a little longer timeframe. But he -- a chance to impact the game right now -- again I think it comes back to trusting. You know those in your system scout the player development are. Talk about these guys that are with these guys every day and really really try to separate the performance that saw. It's a number I mean we go back to this I'm not saying guys are gonna show up and be rookie of the year that you -- But you know had we taken the snapshot of that at the conversation you'll -- to about six. What car racial and Pedroia you know we try to remind ourselves that a little bit to make sure that we. Proper respect not to say that we don't hear what we saw September and some way shape or but we also keep it on that. Well a -- is -- next you have no excuses because when I'm reading you guys in Ireland thirteen hitting coach is right. Is that right I read that and everybody. Was out or is -- going to be two hitting coaches on this team if there is you guys close to -- you know naming them it's the series candidates in the next. They'll -- a question for John I think theoretically that's their that's the move that would talked about internally. I'll still try to put the pieces out together -- out and edited yet that would identify we haven't started interviewing. That group look. Guys yet we should be working -- -- -- the next couple weeks. Hope we are hoping wrapped up fairly quickly after that at -- in place you know the big bulk of the -- the put together which I think it pretty bad truck given. The time spent last off the putting out together a pretty in November and into December. He'll focus this year it. Much quicker this year to the personnel side I think in the open that on first and now what you know occupying a lot. Greater percent of the time. That -- can only help. But that that probably direction we're going from hitting -- airport but you know the typical we will start to emerge here in the next week and it. I'm Mike here's I want to use tonight negative Lotta Lotta stuff you get a couple of free hours without the without the pool drinking hand. Funny by candy lob her Abraham Bradford. In there you know and their bathing suits my -- Roger on the -- -- what you enjoy -- -- and they get back to work. That that I can't say is that -- at the palms for sport. Or I think you route it around and -- that -- went out there and know that if it's a poor television drawing from Toronto coaches don't from a veteran like that question. Yeah option. In it -- that you oh. -- -- Season. Microphone and yeah upside down might I live on the got the guys pass the microphone to the and it kind of reach around behind my back in. I'd be all cool Owens. Helping on penalty on relive that yeah I don't know attitude he's. They are important era and a -- right -- two. And camaraderie and everybody or pretend to not know actually hit it. And that's one thing those guys -- this camaraderie on the way I'm like no doubt about it all right thanks a lot. Our guys are enjoying cocktail hour out there yeah. Mike -- Red Sox assistant general manager kind enough to join us we come back -- sticker calls if you want to talk on your trade rumors on your free agent stuff. 61777979376177797. 937 your calls up with a 6177797937. It's a hot stove show commitment hand Alex beer -- -- him around here. For rob Bradford who's. Either eight by the pool as Mike -- told us -- be taking pictures and Scott Boris. That's kind of why not oath. Can you do both Boris. Depends on of course is if Boris is going to the Astros I was on with -- Maloney yesterday played Boris but it's. While I disagree -- knowledge and what did you mean union you know on the McDowell well I mean by everything you. That your next guy see Alex that you're even fit for the Southern California market Porter from what I understand how to do these phone calls people wanna talk treat people of this stuff people get horny. Sports tortilla -- the stuff. So you know support me with with a belt. LA itself first -- what's going on. They got going on that technical problem I dislike talk about or -- comment. A -- you know he's a real intriguing options especially. Quick loss to speak for a year deal. I think the court and you have to start -- two -- 26 million. -- that you offered the 37 year old. -- come up acute injury. I think at the start there with impact bat is he's gonna play above average outfield. It also be in the lineup every day also I'm also want you guys think about. Lowell went type of war or maybe even outfielder and someone like Juan Pierre -- and that probably cost you one year not a veteran minimum and it's just I really want to be more aggressive so when you go on the bottom real lineup. And how -- that double leadoff guy called it. Oh jumpin on a couple of those so first of all the starting thanks so it just outline -- thank you for the call up to 26 that's what Beltran sign for -- last year. The other interest is in so that might be a little high value guy though. -- I think honestly the bidding could be significant enough that it could end up getting their because he has a decent track record of health. -- but I don't think that that I mean on a short term deal. -- I would do that that also raises the question why on earth didn't the Angels extend him a qualifying offer to get the draft pick but -- strange yeah out as for Juan Pierre. As a corner outfielder and he's relegated solely to left field which diminishes -- value considerably. I know I see I see too much diminution in his game I don't think he's -- he's a valuable everyday player. In the AL east and Scott Podsednik racked up a physical and want to react. Similar diminution dimmed with the continuation continuation. -- and to diminish again exactly how much he Ian -- mentioned. How much of a factor is Farrell in terms of the person -- Obviously more maybe the doubt that what kind of -- you imagine they'll have and that's a. Significant because yes it's a great relationship with. You know Mike -- and and Brandon and he was -- in my case and box you know. Quite a few -- there's a lot of respect there they really trust his knowledge is about your patience I think is going to be a lot of synergy there. And between -- on the front office and lose and let's not forget the reason why Jon Lester is still with the Boston Red Sox is because they listen to John Perreault. They -- he's always had considerable input in personnel decisions even when he was pitching coach that's not going to go down now but he managed to get -- five -- tomorrow so rosters. Now in general all the books as the video was still better than Johan Santana last year with a lot -- very fair point. Market New Hampshire it. Again I think that my colleagues. I went back and it hit here. Germany -- on and that he was playing and keep -- -- prospects around. I can't think of any of the big guys that are out there a big free agents who -- like. Really a war and again. Past couple years I -- the Sox have been pretty them. Not so like -- actually -- overpaid underperforming player is. Rather see them have that are that come up like new Pedroia is a couple bombs -- Lester is you know exhibit at the will be into the job. Well I think you know I think what what Mike talked about was you know in the answer to middle Brooks and I do think that I'm sure -- -- be resistant to do that. I just exiting the good players that has a lot of like a billion knowledgeable and just -- I these guys. Yeah update -- they see the best Red Sox teams is having been like it was 20072008. Teams where you had just a ton of young talent coming out and read it really done a good job of holding on to guys. From roughly you know 2005. Through. That time and that really helped them to build their best teams in terms of depth in terms of upside in terms of performance predictability 'cause those are guys should be healthy in. Improving as they get to the majors so I do think that they've. Redoubled you know they've they've redoubled their game into maximizing the depth of their talent -- Jacoby wants to talk about Jason Bay. -- -- Go to a couple of questions for Uga is. I want to know a Jason Bay. Or know what they'll change thinks about Jason Bay what are your projections are. -- upcoming year and whether or not we can take into account. Can -- being healthy from post concerts and. I think this the -- you can't fully expect anything and I gonna have to. I think a flyer and an -- -- the costs can be very much here so. You know why not if your team and he's up to the lineup card and get somebody like that especially in a market resorted -- Margaret Bryant. -- don't -- -- Jason -- being a starting left deliberately can take a chance and am the one of the guys competing for that spot in the sprayer and you know I think it's worth a shot there's no question that. You would imagine and recent interview I think forget it was with -- early in the year Bill James going to be large role he regrets that james' role is diminished doors when his. Men and that was -- -- confusing at verbs and time now and do what's right what's the diminution right now. Sort of of smoke apology doesn't diminish the Bill -- -- achievements are gonna -- reservation of the bag around him back but -- but when it blowing you look at James. We want Bill James -- part of this organization I don't think Bill James Zagreb reading and went outside. Went outside. And yeah this is a guy I wonder how large is rule is going to be here diseases inference can be all of this organization. I think that he's going to be a part of a lot more conversations than he might of why I was the other the mix I just think that there was I think that there was a certain degree of comfort level with the front office dynamics in which. He was in Lawrence reveled in being in the middle of it in the Fenway offices. And she just kind of got crowded out of the conversation with. You know -- having kind of his trusted voices. And I think that part of what the Red Sox are going through is that they've decided they need to think about getting different voice is involved which is why they hired Eddie -- In which is why they wanna welcome Bill James back to the -- just -- kind of -- a gadfly or is someone to stimulate ideas rated challenged that thinking. Of that might become stale. That the refs are further -- in your 20032004. When Theo was countless into a lot of different dads Brothers would Joyce -- Bill James. See they did they don't wider pool or guys like guys like walker -- law are -- Ortiz and those guys serve you know. Well Bill Miller guys like pets -- high OBP. You know guys on the cheek and it seems a bit coming gone with a -- maybe it's because impart that created -- hard and do a gap there aren't that many of those guys out there because the industry values on base threat and right now bright let's get Jason we have time. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- They get them on its own stick quickly. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- should ask him for it but it. You wanna trade entire 25 man roster for an -- what -- idea unit the Mariners royal pain in the paper and and -- bid they're paying him right now why would the difference is at least his Ellsbury right for Felix Hernandez. They treat us just say make that trade Ellsbury goes Seattle has a great year with -- today. -- so I mean I'm just a few oaks and red I don't see -- it's it's not happening Felix isn't going anywhere but. I just received as tweet from Mike Cameron saying I still played a lot of broken so be careful. Plus I was a base stealing center fielder in my days the more miles on the body. They're pulling all -- capsules let's just well I think he thought might -- about. In so I just wanna say you know wasn't denigrating him like he. You know he tried really hard to played I'd die -- -- noticed that didn't work it is just it didn't work out because he had that much mileage on the -- 6177797937617779. 7937. Lots -- -- -- ever for a couple more as we continue on hot stove show won 937. Spots -- show in 937 WEEI Turkmen and Alex -- Ian Browne in this field and what's the word Alex. Well I'm hoping that the word is Bradford not poolside downsize it. It was like I was -- I -- the middle of those -- -- -- yeah okay. I'd be in the middle to say -- him to be over OK fine I sit in this field in. Blank -- -- he's been amazing. Again and again I could have said not a not a Philly -- -- -- now Bradford is basically right now. Joining us in the AT&T hotline is wall at the back. -- -- -- -- out here -- now. Now we talked to Mike Hayes and rob and he said and and then listen it's not like you spent company money but the idea that your lounging by the pool day. Is Mike he's until he saw you today is I think encouraging news for people who want to baseball. Well Alex you know I'll tell you -- for. As our group at guard or it was just hockey that would that would not poolside and take pictures of them accused Miley Cyrus. Well you got to play. Well if you really -- a little blue sport -- already got bullets with any any big updates from the Boris summit. Know a lot of guys do I've got to go break away from that also anybody that you don't be shocked to find out that it. He thinks that having a premier closer comments he made one of the most important in baseball. As a bit quicker and be at Bryant have -- -- Soriano on the market so yeah it's it's a lot of that. Same thing you're with a GM meetings we all know that was one of the things that in the winter -- you look forward to the one time Scott Boras in February like Basra. Is he wearing blue jeans. Blue sports it. Always uniform. Rob I'm curious one thing that we've heard almost nothing about with regards to the Red Sox Ian and I and and Kirk -- sometimes referred to. We're talking at the beginning there's been so little conversation about Zack Greinke with rebate -- with relationship to the Red Sox you rule out any Red Sox interest and Greinke. They have an idea idea because I would rule out in -- in the I think what you'll find it is and we've gone back. Every single year the CC sabathia AJ Burnett you're -- you it's an easy layup that the reds aren't. Contacted their representatives. And -- are believed kicking -- -- -- -- -- that would everybody. With Greinke I could still -- you have for a lot of reasons that I heard guys talk about. The mentality and not being fit this market the best that commitment for years that you talk about a guy. It's interesting -- -- the lack of its all lack of where they were here about PP it's create Greinke. Josh get open and I got -- that I -- -- Because the qualifying offer but where they're wait until our night to -- eccentric all -- offers and the mechanical there. Rob with -- report earlier that the Red Sox -- against strong interest he said. Isn't strong enough to be willing to go more than one year you think. That's a tricky one I think that's a -- that the gamble and and I -- there that there aren't sixty million that you target out to people on thirteen point three right. Yeah I didn't think that that's our preference is that may be over -- on that one year a little bit instead of taking -- -- -- -- it is even though he's been really really -- I didn't contrasting dynamic I think because it took -- first I'm just saying. The Red Sox might have the upper hand on the Yankees because of the payroll constraints to a certain extent college years. You know -- it's still has yet you don't wanna be a lot and something earlier because of what your payroll that. Probably a bit of the planet -- any truth to these says these rumors with the Indians for. As I think it was John Palmer OC mentioned that they're looking at Su and Masterson is there is substance there you know what sort of the -- -- -- cooking equipment -- -- cricket community museum was by the -- right next. Actually I was able out. By DE kind of downplayed the rumors and said he of these rumors have come up. Over the course of the year and -- respect in the bill I don't think that they've. It is part of legitimate being drafted after him mentioned a little bit different because you're talking about now bright eyed contract. But back I'll -- out of the realm of possibility that they talked about something like this because it. What what the -- -- the it makes sense deterrent effect. Rob banks go back to do what you don't pitches abort Oregon tonight we have for tomorrow -- any force record. I think Garrett figured figured this Kuroda actually Gary talks right now that you that the bullpen coach -- Josh -- Joshua Tree. On us tomorrow will be yeah about it and put it. Thank you rob Bradford join -- kind of the join us and Ian Browne spectacular work and welcoming him literally any time. Abby had a different well probably not to fill in two disc players still get tickets that you don't microphone right it might not be able to hold that's true that's true that's an upgrade Alex thank you Mike Hazen. As such your manager we thank him. 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