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Hot Stove Show: Ben Cherington and Scott Boras

Nov 1, 2012|

Kirk Minihane, Rob Bradford and Alex Speier are back once again with the Hot Stove Show, this week they talk to Red Sox GM Ben Cherington about offseason negotiations with players like David Ortiz and Cody Ross. They also talk with Scott Boras about the other side of free agency negotiations.

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As a hot stove show. -- and rob Bradford Alex -- all of WEEI dot com here until 8 o'clock. -- Sheraton Red Sox general manager would join us around 715. And after last week's pilot episode guys it tested pretty well the audience's noise they wanted was her romantic love interest for rob Bradford. -- -- -- -- A chemistry -- important eco complaints Boris in the movies so -- and super agent Scott Morse at 740 talk Ellsbury. Now represents you know much relief pitchers here Mattson. Soria the other guys will talk him ball bat or Sheraton and Boris here in Nextel will start with David Ortiz. The big story today rob. You wrote the other source telling you -- source familiar with negotiations. That appears likely David Ortiz Red Sox won't reach an agreement on the two year deal before the DH. -- is -- open market two days we -- here a week ago on the first episode seemed at the time. A certainty that he was going decided we -- probably thought by next -- here tonight as -- -- you'd be tied up whether it's not what -- Why -- tempered a little bit some people I was more certainty than others but. I think what happened is it you got the two years and you've got probably more money that he did last year but you can get the money that they wanted. And that remains a sticking point in now this could get settled in next what are we yet twenty hours or something Intel. The exclusive period runs out. But you know as of this afternoon that was the case that it didn't look like Ortiz was gonna probably be testing the free agent market in. And I think it all comes -- money. So just to clarify. What you say not get more money than last year you mean more in the offered the reds are on the -- he had no no not he does not too -- -- -- the problem is that is the fact is. They're probably looking -- say hey you know we made fourteen last year around fourteen. And 1457. -- exactly. And and so Lucy OK we made that last year. And so you can pay -- around that for two years in in the coming contract. Red Sox probably aren't viewing the same way -- last year why it was a two year deal was you know it was nowhere near probably one we're talking about this year. You know one of the fascinating wild cards to negotiating with their own free agents that we had kind of seen this coming maybe a little bit in the middle of the summer. Was the fact that arbitration is gone he used to be that a guy like Ortiz would have been able to say OK I made 14575. Last year. I'll make that or more with a one year deal in a worst case scenario. The next year but now. Our our -- -- -- it's going like now there's over what you're qualifying a thirteen point 313 point three million dollars is what you put on the table for a one year offer. -- David Ortiz is looking at this and saying. I had a better year when I was healthy yet that I did last year. And so if what if it's a one year deal their attacks and -- to take a pay cut and as a as a timetable he has to accept or decline. That offer of thirteen point three if we get to that point. Basically a week from now it's it's 1201. On Friday more next Friday in November and because really affect his veterans day we can plan it. Begs the question when you look at his Ortiz -- think I'm like last year's day. On May be that there's a two year deal with their for him somewhere else it's close -- -- -- Game and I've said this a bunch at times I think that the market is different and probably is. In -- -- just -- to talk to -- -- and about in a few minutes do they view it that way do they view this market this situation. Differently than last year because that was Darius in the hall. That they felt they could offer of arbitration -- feel like there was not a team is gonna come in. When we can go through some teams we can go through the lack of players in the market really. If you don't get Josh Hamilton if you don't want just him that he wanna get a free agent guy with power. The big drop off there right it's you know Napoli is maybe the next guy and a list so. So people screaming yell a -- Financial problems and not to get too heavily invested well some teams could view it as hey you know what. Economically this is a good play because instead of investing long term for a guy it would power you're investing two years on. A twenty million -- 120 million units thirty. Yes expertise very busy 37 year old November who played ninety games with -- you know not in significant injury I mean that's. To me when you talk what discipline maturity -- time and time again that press conference. Something that's a really screened us. But I don't I don't then I don't think that the discipline really falls under this whether you're saving four million dollars over a couple of years. Discipline is not giving a guy a four year deal way and you should give -- a two year deal six year deal he should give -- a three year -- That's -- to me that's what he's talking about. If the same way that they were willing to assume that they're willing to assume risks that are associated with one and two year deals you've seen that in the past when guys like. For and some that didn't work out John Smoltz Brad Penny Mike Cameron -- we've seen some of the work out very well with the likes of Adrian Beltre and you know like Marco Scutaro. It's just -- it's it it's a curious thing or does it mean obviously it seem -- -- and a week ago things have changed I just wonder we'll talk to turn him about it a way me. -- specific he'll be answering it. What is change because. It just seems like eight different situation than last -- you surprised because Ortiz was so good last year. And I don't feel there was out there -- is out there but now this happens this year you'd say he's probably more likely that in the normal world -- older. The injury to take it -- -- more but he friendly deal right we're talking -- -- If if it were if it were David Ortiz market -- vacuum he'd waited. It would perhaps be around the same even though we had a better year while he was healthy right right -- -- the same because he you know he put -- and -- nine games but. In a world in which the alternatives. Are less attractive and that's where you didn't do. -- changing certain with -- him when you look at the teams that are possibilities you can eliminate. Half for this in the National League teams decide if Ortiz to a two year 25. It's easy three yes three quarters of the team right at least right. So when you when you look at that mean. You to priestly circled three or 45 that are going to be in the next Walters. Yeah how poll wears on Monday Maloney today they ask that question and the billion names acumen minded team to came to mind Texas. The Yankees might be stretched just because they want -- the -- have the A-Rod prom again -- the G the via catered everything out but you know knows. And aimed at one name a wild card in this situation is Cleveland I think and I know that there are smaller market team. But after seems to be out the door right and end in Francona might be. Going to march a -- Chris Cincinnati -- you know what. This transcends -- presence transcends. What we're talking by the DH position or all the negatives. And maybe there's some value here beyond that except that Ortiz doesn't seem like you were monitored or teams it's going to be I don't know but if they're willing to pay and play for Terry Francona I'm not saying this is the likely scenario -- but we're bringing ups and -- credible alternative the Orioles were -- that report well how close do you think right now and I understand you you. Source code and use the execute them a couple of days. A close do you feel that these two sides are I think their I think their -- guessing armed and they're relatively close but relatively close -- Might be. He might want fourteen year and they might be offering eleven year. Mean it sounds fair right I found that -- you know like it's within the ballpark since last year they were kind of in the eighteen to 22 range of the Red Sox were offering him and this coming off of fourteen this is where it gets so tree it was the same reason why the arbitration case last it would have been fascinating. Because. There's so many arguments to be made for both sides is that not a cut and dried situation and and so when the reds are certain -- saying eleven. And that and Ortiz might be saying fourteen there's no like hey you know what we see your way I don't think they're gonna get to that point. Well we have phone number here you want it right now as you know screw your shirts forever and I mean all calls after that. Jerry to Red Sox general manager -- join -- here after this break we'll talk about the Ortiz. Cody Ross maybe the bullpen budget question press after a manager and Sheraton next on the hot stove show. Rob Bradford Turkmen and Alex -- Joining us now in the AT&T hotline AT&T forgy LT -- the general manager of the Boston Red Sox. And charge and van Kirk Robin out -- to see. Not too bad I guess first up is a story everyone around here's been talked about it's David Ortiz you have until 1201 AM Saturday. Talked him exclusively. Your thoughts on whether any deal would get down with him before and. Well it will work. The thought -- since the end of the Cesar. Good conversation there. Everyone knows that we let's keep them like I think is mutual interest and he's -- dialog boxes and he's he's. They apparently that some ground in some areas but. So lots of work there though. You're working our. It who get. -- You know we'll continue to work -- that remain hopeful that well there are reform. Then if I can follow up I'm curious what's different about talks with him this year you know in terms of the variables going into. What kind of deal you guys might be seeking both from your vantage point and from his. Well you know what is it a little bit in terms of the salute the rules as you know. Arbitration. Product the rules there is Alex's -- this year than last year so or portal for sure it -- well these -- sure. Traditional arbitration process -- all -- Darnell was last quarter. Essentially. Getting close to here and make it last where I think. Eric you know -- -- bucolic. What. That we know that -- that's different. -- and that is. Yeah we have a guy that are wrong -- -- important. Old war and more important salute. Yeah walking. Like -- and cynicism matters. You open source -- -- -- were awesome. You know the war and hopefully it's. Does the amount of money that you're able to clearing the in the Dodgers trade permit you greater latitude to pursue a multiyear deal -- might have been the case last year. Well it's you know that that plays or do you are the picture is that -- -- -- Offseason move forward. Well with Oakland terrace. The -- player. You change the rules for -- is. If the look at the whole thing. -- forty that we in her role as well it. Well wolf you -- earlier this year. You know getting used only lightly -- the -- Whether as well so. I get answers. Yes -- -- Secretary -- the entire architecture and processor. -- But the other guy -- keeping an eye on as Cody Ross. What's your take on where things stand -- that is as specific Susie QB I guess regarded as we head into tomorrow night. Well that. Our code you. Whose agent. Where does last year last quarter. And that Cody Ursula quarterback -- the ball -- off. For. Family. There. Are. Eventually later that you know actually earlier this year. Real strict you know there are things we talked about where. Or has put him in a situation. Where he is. In a better position and opted out last year if there's a law last year our alliances. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- I was there or little so. It couldn't or wouldn't wouldn't. -- days. But it didn't work out for error in -- -- and at the end. And the right place for him right all our separate environments call that. The leaders that are there. This year or last year good for him. You know make create a bigger challenge for all transpire. The deal the orchestra. Work for us so you have talked about a lot. Arnold felt it go out you know -- Mark I. Certainly a lot of options. That we got away. What they decide they're -- -- the market. The. It is dark about environment with Cody in order of things that people -- when they're talking about his value the Red Sox is how well he. Was in this environment. Up and even in your time with the Red Sox may -- is this last year may be -- years beyond that have you guys changed how you view. How guys handle Boston. You know weigh in in the clubhouse media Excedrin. Yeah it also talked about but certainly we're. When things don't go well. And you're trying to return. They'll soon then. It back to where more of these. And -- in the towns of organ its errors. -- lowered his move forward. Is. Does become important when you're trying to get through. Is that really -- Is going to be. Processes of military and get their talent. Couldn't have great players and -- -- succeed. So long or are otherwise you know we're gonna. You know we're in these cases university. India is -- Yeah trying to build something it's not a straight line so reporters. Yeah two. Who are here. And role playing here. It is environment. You know it's. There's something there's something -- to -- in terms of guys like that -- help us get through. This talent this certain. -- in this case getting actors or V. So you know it is something we talked about. You know Cody. You know comparable here. -- lyric or at least. Will be a voters there is. It -- urban. You know what. -- -- You know we America circular Cisco Hewlett -- you earned. Or -- himself clear that this is. Certainly Americans. It filters. Red Sox general manager Ben Sheraton -- -- on the hot stove show in 937. Ban on Tuesday the White Sox declined their 2013 option -- Kevin you course I was wondering if you could envision a scenario where you -- comes back to Boston you have an opening potentially I guess at first base. Or if there's any reason why he wouldn't be user reserve potential roadblock. Well Miller. Shutting out the door to tell. An absolutely. Great -- in here in the open minded about. How to put it back together. He's. Part of the Nazis Atlantic it and you're considering all sorts of ulcers. At first citizens and another this. So you know no matter. We're or shut the door. Any potential players as soon as that that -- But I guess just a quick fault but when you goes left. There's not a situation where the BD be no problem bring him back you know attitude wise personality wise you're on board with him and that's. Either it is your players or well let our. Respect. Seven. You know create the first -- -- so a lot of options. This is the first. His career. You know since -- college. Before that first -- It -- -- choice about. Where plays and you know. Pre order and earned the right term they'll learn that it will come along very often so. I think I think you know he's he's got more control a situation that or. But you know leaders are -- where he plays and you know certainly on a personal level. You know certainly. Certainly nothing happened that was you know. So there was no great relationship -- but he Garrett is you know people have choices. And look sources and you know to lose curiosity -- -- Then I'm curious about one phrase that you've been using an awful lot which is the next great Red Sox team and what does that mean what do you envision when you refer to that is that you know in -- just permit from the standpoint of time frame both how near it is in what what that means in terms of sustainability. And what it might mean for this offseason. -- the -- get on base are between. Sort of little. Whose vote. Here. The -- Was secure. Is aggressive. -- the strikes. And yeah yeah yeah. And here. You know over the course of this policy crisis period. All year here. -- had. Along those. Qualities. And then it -- Those who still are also overnight -- boot record and you're always the way from from -- so. We feel like we have. Some of the pieces. It was necessary. To the actor. -- orbit Leo on our way. Our systems appear here these protectors. Regardless our system that we believe the most. We've got to selectively. Against you bring. Try to do all those -- You know really moved. There's over six. We don't know exactly. Where that next treatments that crystallized. A week ago at that hour or are not square foot and your security. Or film or lose. Creative director. -- there. I think that was. Is. In Boston right now you know. November now put their food. -- a look at for. So for directions. Or. Clear. -- it will turn services is -- -- there. I think you know and the Boston personality. I understand that. The very little in the if I happen overnight but they happened. There a common culture you know is to assist the development. Little that a lot. Consultations. With regards to building to building for the 2013 season. How do you approach the rotation differently this year than last last year you mentioned at the start of the off season you had three pieces. That you were able to rely upon you know that you do you view this kind of foundational and then it was a matter of rounding it out. This year you've identified four guys in Lester Buchholz Lackey to bronze who can work going forward. How do you approach the rotation for 2013 and then towards that end of the next great Red Sox team effort. Oh and would like at the rotation. To create your tree you know or both options. You know. You know it might look like at some of our external. Factors you mentioned. And like the fact. If at all possible. The younger our system you may not be. A vote on there too easily. These. Aren't really get their attention goes forward. So. It's a little bit of a little bit of that size salute that a suspect who moved at all. The younger core arm -- -- -- And then the bigger than the ball -- to -- their food is to work that are supposed. Lester buckles is -- In the best possible witnesses succeed. These. It's those. Our secure. Two quote there -- so. And that that can make a bigger difference in our rotations here. -- -- starters. Likely true. And this makes so. Every although the -- earlier certainly focus on opening atmosphere here is better. You'd talked about potentially outing from outside your position for the rotation. Are you how are you viewing the ball and heading into the offseason and do you are you prioritizing at all. Batting may be something someone who might be in days potentially even -- ninth inning guy already having obviously to as our Bailey annoyance in there. -- little bit more in areas where we have got some options. Some. Different look where you know the -- and ultimately left side. And it's. Fairly. Fairly. Glances as. Would not rule out adding that next. We feel like. You know that says that's essential in this -- -- -- be. Will be more selective. How. Or about this policy there -- so we'll wait for. Literate you know there is the right position herbal herbal. Well -- But there's there's some that -- in the -- and the amount is now -- There -- other. Certain common -- triple. Importantly there as well. We also have the the GM meetings coming up next weeks and ran a -- began erupting in Palm Springs. And numb. This serious looking back at last year's GM meetings didn't typically not a lot happens in terms of transactions but what do you remember about. Last year's GM meetings in terms of how it affected that team going forward. Fire rhetoric but first our pyramid were sort of perimeter that are so tour. Certainly a lot of time. -- over Milwaukee -- that there. I think it is for us is that there. And so you focus more attention on. Exploring. You know congress is and an agent. And something authorities started -- certainly in your hands. Revealed -- folks whoever has not earlier. In the business last buses that are of course who got. We've got. You know -- Are more holes -- -- this option or to do certain that an awful lot more though. Was -- conversation besides the managerial search last year. It was their conversation that you had a conversations you had in Milwaukee last year that you remember kind of pave the way to doing something. Player -- yeah. Yeah you know -- if there was direct. You know apartment I can't remember exactly all the conversations the Catholic area that -- that. Everything in life out there on the same place. He is that he has not -- an -- happens actually Japanese but. You -- -- those conversations that and other. There -- -- a little bit between those winter meeting. That's on it that way. The congress that started the year side order. Cooking oil is there more optimism saying you know come together as it. An Election Day party is going on at the win at the GM meetings. -- Unplanned but I remember remember the last several years ago -- didn't remember that met -- you know he. Election also. I hope we're looking for -- -- either so what we're able. Euro lots of weather returns slow or. I'll answer that is around -- you'll probably users. Since since Halloween in and read sites GM's go so well together what was the cost him last night. -- uproot her you know collar church. They're not regulated there really not. Yet three envelopes to meet you want to ground -- and -- -- -- it was. I thanks for your time -- appreciated apparently spent. Many of the envelopes in regards -- that it doesn't Red Sox chairman debenture and China to join us here. A quick break and we'll have Scott Boris joining us after the break I'm -- Let's go show Kirk Manningham out spear rob Bradford here in 937 WB -- ventured in Red Sox chairman just join us and other guests here right now in the eighteen to outline. -- -- -- -- Stop Boris. Scott rob out to Kirk and Boston are you season. About. It's got Harry's got. Guys are my our first question would be the L feel mark how you look at obviously with. Ellsbury is a -- viewers how's it shaping up here next year two's Ellsbury -- heads in the free agency year potentially in the the year plus. Well I think here. You know what you're talking about players you're going to be in the market one there. You know. Fall league players that are played premiere positions that are. There you're younger. There's not going to be many here we are in this. This process where you and you've got a huge killers yeah yeah. -- liquor available that are guys that are gonna give you. -- lead -- or some power there might be a couple up the board. All. As far as corner outfielders. I think that. The market I wouldn't say that there -- or an elite young player that's available all. Horse so. We're really over the next you know couple years he strip via the relatives small. -- people. Are going to be -- election year. Let's just. For argument sake sales -- free agent -- this season's gone after last season was injured. And we came back result as productive as he was the year before what what kind of ballpark figure would you be looking for for Ellsbury worry coming -- here's a free agent. I know a lot of guys I don't really talk about values orders all. We talked a bit on Kirk and the other guy here so you we talk about privately if you. Well I don't do that I reserve that the general managers myself. Yeah I'd rather extensive dialogue about it it's those kind of things or done. Negotiating player Richard hunt for the whole -- let everybody up that's. Scott you're obviously based in Southern California that being the case you're very close to it when the Dodgers and Red Sox. Such enacted that huge trade during the middle of this year. I'm curious from your vantage point what your thoughts when you saw that trade going down to the Red Sox were. You know were making this huge trade in order to achieve financial flexibility into. Really changed drastically the complexion of their team. And as a as a corollary to that. You know that trade was made with the idea of by the Red Sox of achieving. Financial flexibility both they and the Yankees have talked about that as well as getting under the luxury tax threshold what are your thoughts on you know kind of -- big northeast. Financial heavyweights wanting to get under the luxury tax threshold. -- -- McGwire should argue. We're gonna be having each team gets 25 million dollar more double what they got this sport and the national package. We're having an increase. In the billions of franchise. No 718 what little while. The markets. LA and Chicago roots that we have. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- We've just seen a rapid growth economically and I think -- the markets world. -- in those that support the team that level while waiting television ratings. Regional networks. With attendance at the ballpark that you're talking about. Valuations and go on 750 million to. Two point do you rebuild and so. The wish to increase in revenues. Both manually and franchise. I think the standard serving. -- the commitment on the part of those teams to feel all perennial. Competitive clubs. That the chances. You know that you won't have so. Any. I think any reference to what I call the Goliath actually it's frankly. The bitterness issue when it comes to what. Revenues which franchise that I go to each day. And that it is expected -- part of the system that that there are teams that are making four 6700. -- already eight. Hours that they would be spending having a role that. You know we'd be in the mid two hundreds two allowed to have the appropriate number superstars that increased ratings bit. Productive for them to grow their cheap as they have the 2000 they would. In the -- in the decade of the 2010. That being the case where you surprised when. When the Red Sox enacted that trade to essentially. Remove some of their their three biggest salaries -- on the books. You know -- what was what was your initial reaction to that or were you surprised that they didn't just take the approach. Are we should we should answer are are our roster problems by spending more. Well I think that there are -- a lot of that what steps out and discussions. The benefits detriment should trade. A bit harder aren't going to be a bit. I think the red trucks that are very good job and they they. Policies are very valued player. That exceeded ideal certainly her picture for the Dodgers. And I bet you know his value and we go forward and the production he's had particularly in the NL west. -- early -- is gonna be considered a player is valued at this compensation consultants. -- -- truth to achieve. All as to do. You know the -- that any deal there's always packaging war. Other parts of the trader a little bit more. All the concern but that's what trades are made lecture and when you look at shortly shut -- -- the Red Sox the hard part is the and going out and getting. -- -- -- -- back. You abuse both power and are based exchange. And run production. Government cabin crew chief for Boston's success and hope for. And 071. You -- -- those deficiencies with the talent available it's great to be at the cultural. These guys you have some new represents them -- entrusting our relief pitchers on the market right now Ryan -- being one of them. How do you view the relief market. Heading into this offseason and is it any different. That that -- has been the last couple years. Well I think when you go down and keep looking at chains all of there's always been the history particularly a lot of literature at all badgers about. No word we're going to. Not invests. Heavily in the back in the bullpen. And word and -- which side with. Our younger functions humor people along those lines and our strength and the and the dynamic. Are things that are you know you know -- extract from the minor leagues. Let the human dynamic that psychology aspect of the you don't know actual players or rather the nature. And one UCL you'll understand that. In the war for the ball or whatever -- -- look at the human dynamic is not brought to light in any of those. And I'm I'm not a big. Believer in war and because of that because it has been innings component which -- You know obviously or flash reality began emerging between. We can sit there and watched the giants win because the blue coat. Or a guy who's been around a very attractive closer Romo. And income level and orange is way in the big leagues get some experience he committed. And war and close again at all out -- while all on the other side of the game. -- you can look at me sale -- it the wasn't rocket Soriano I don't I don't mean any team that leads. Beleaguered -- shape as you can look at do workshops this year in these early Angel you're just gonna have a difficult time when. And so. To suggest that our strength which measured the minor leagues are even. The other aspect of the white durability. When you have guys that can close and very durable an up close. Yeah it really possible to achieve what did you may have fifteen if you file save opportunities. Out in the post nasal. I think there and we're rarity and having people that can. Put together seasons with 35 saves and an -- postseason. -- are so important we show the necessary experience there and it you don't have that I believe you're running a wrist wolf. Make -- very very good she is a either a non playoff team -- a team that doesn't allow you to actually your expectancy while. Another position question going for the gala tonight of both talking about this in the past is the second base market. You have to know obviously is a unique player around here you Pedroia who was up in a couple years and offer a little bit. How do you view the second base market. In terms of how teams are going to be value in the next couple years. -- you noted that action saying it when you have duality or you can get. Gold glove defense and then game. Middle of the lineup performance SATA the second basement. It puts you at a place where. -- -- You know when you look at. You know players like enjoy -- arc and no one day when they approach form at those levels they're achieved so they bite. Both ends of -- for me it ships. It just gives you a real advantage. It could almost. On average when you when you look at the performance second baseman disparity between. But -- I need to -- RBI 800 runs scored. What elements loop but what those -- second base in the game due to provide that they're just you know you get out of the numbers -- -- three. As opposed to the corner popular as it may be seventeen have a war of sorts that. -- it's something that really really Bible you treat the rare commodity. It's certainly a core relied up when you have one like. -- -- a crusher for me. I -- 5% of a -- is but it's a lot I you have to be giving out full candy bars following your -- -- board. You know let me tell you what we do how it goes in. The first thing we do in. Yeah you Qaeda Halloween is -- is -- bombshell date. Let me personally have to do little. The kids kind of checked out what else are going to they've mapped out they go though. If you don't if you don't get density that you don't. Recognize it -- almost lead in the neighborhood. You'd better vote you're doing it right because the kids already know where not to go slow reply to me and him. So it's it's pretty much. Well. Small -- for a good. Hi Scott thanks your time they Scott you about. Scott Boris. Venture into our guest tonight guys a couple minutes here anything jump out. Usually notable. Me one of those guys from the church and I think addressing. Starting pitching seeing these can potentially go externally define the starting pitchers are the headlines. Yeah I guess that that kind of rules out the idea of where at least it dampens the idea of a -- of -- is -- perhaps filling that that fifth starter spot. I'm so certainly a topic of -- that was in time problem. The -- of it done -- the Red Sox wouldn't rule out adding to the bullpen and it is. It is an interesting dynamic where you look at the final four teams in the playoffs they're closers -- who. Romo and -- Coke by the end for the tigers. Jason Mott who became a closer last year in the middle of the playoffs on the fly well. You know and we talked about we had that conversation before the show little bit. And both you led right into what Boris is saying which we say oh well look at who you end up -- World Series he would Ramallah united -- well. You know Scott Boris is saying well now it doesn't work that way right right that's not a blueprint it's that's for pupil which arguably is. Is true no team is giving Soriano fifteen I can't believe that some teams sort of -- if we don't believe that the Yankees were given three years and whatever 39 last time for a presuming yankees -- -- exposed they're gonna give him and another fifteen million dollar contract. Mean we didn't think the Phillies were going to give it all. Yet all this look at this this juxtapose it against apple bond contract Korea and at first of all we have to ask yourself who'd you rather have -- camera as Soriano palpable. I mean I almost I think I'd rather. Apple -- to speak as -- rather. He had over over its its -- outside it's close it's real all right so if his close then you're talking for years fifty. But the rules of the collected there their rules of free agency changed after Papelbon signed contract yeah like within a week we had in news deviate. It kind of almost made it is if the Phillies said whoops and he for -- -- Jumbo. -- -- -- -- when you start it's obviously a lot of its agenda driven and that's understands it and started as an agent. But it's interesting in terms of how he. Kind of surface is the the issues of the relief pitching for the second baseman or to my mind like the scarcity of the center field market -- right. You know there's a real dearth of those guys available if you look even over time he's he's right when he talks about. -- and Upton being the only guys out there who qualifies as being you know real legitimate and -- options on the free agent market. That drives the supply demand -- and it is viewed the first law we want to thank both these guys for coming on in Boris doesn't do a lot of radio interviews but what he does that the GM meetings in the winter meetings. Case you haven't go YouTube. Boris winter meetings and it's the phenomenon of ham apple these meetings is unbelievable. Because this is what the report -- look at all week or all week at all couple -- long. For him to make it apparent he stands and -- Lou everybody in the lobby for as long as it takes this one time with this -- report is to heparin with -- -- and the question. It's it's a very very strained. For non ideology that it be we're obviously -- -- guys salesman. I mean well obviously we go and that's -- -- our -- why don't I don't -- -- you know. -- understatement with him I guess that right ever on mr. Wright has an agenda to put clearly -- guys. Financial. -- and -- I think the thing that jumped out overall for me Sheraton starting pitching. And a ball and I'm trying to gain a -- -- said is a real grabber. Army with the -- -- in ross' situation I think it's clear that probably Cody Ross is gonna head to the to the to take offers in the free agent market discipline him setting an -- saying hey you know what he's earned this right so forth and so on and I like the fact Scott -- two and one way acknowledge -- that was -- and also that he gives helpful meal is definitely -- disturbance of a -- agreement can. And banks to bank charges job force or guess -- had a date tremendous producer mysteries in the -- job now. Alex fear rob Bradford Turkmen and signing off rob Bradford will be at the -- meeting next week. Yes is that correct yes that is right there at some point with the Alex now beer they -- to be. Determine what it is it a divorce and who knows maybe stick around find out and I fell Thursday night football Kansas City San Diego.

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