Nov 1, 2012|
Reports have it that David Ortiz has not yet reached a contract with the Red Sox and he will hit free agency!
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Thought of that today should've gone out -- pitching less than David Ortiz. That would have been a good one now. That would have been a great when you know why why. You ought not to bag yet. Majority of people in New England would've thrown it dollars in there that they would give you what you want you walked back to your house that you have. That I have 101215. Million dollars you get a feeling -- all love David Ortiz and they should I understand. You think the Red Sox may be. Adhering to this. New policy of discipline. Is very interest in this you know this is good. And it didn't interest and drama that's about the place out here. Because are the are they being disciplined. Or they just trying to get in the cave negotiations. It good but it's the same thing is that in this and I don't know you know I don't know discipline could be. There there's no way I'm gonna give you close to what you want as disciplined at it here's our number here's our number. And we are not gonna move from that but try to get somebody to cave. Is -- knows the Red Sox could be bluffing they might. They might get scared at the at the final -- this happens in negotiations. That went up to me management get scared and -- tell you this is our number. And then right when you're about to walk it. -- -- score and others like -- that's like of this restaurants and so is it discipline. War is it's a little bit of a poker game well right -- gonna find out right now they're displaying discipline my guess is and you tell me if you disagree. That they've all agreed that. Globally because the two year deal. And David know they know wants a two year deal differences. David wants a two year deal at the money -- getting for a one year deal right now which is fourteen. The point 275. Million so he's look at war. 484930. Million for two years -- -- I don't. Will -- -- two years we wanna give -- He he says he wants thirty million yet. As Lawrence Taylor thing all you can do is ask. Us about -- don't -- a little bit different and what -- I don't what David are all positive with all our. Got -- -- very different I guess you would happen but. Atmosphere from Ortiz aside he might he might legitimately -- thirty million dollars or I'm going to the open market or he might. This franchise and -- I would understand if he said the -- This franchise over the last five to seven years has been real loose with the money. And I was foolish enough to take a deal from them before without really pressing them but now that I've been sitting here I've seen. The posting fee for Daisuke -- in the contract for J. D. Drew. I've seen Carl Crawford Adrian Gonzales John Lackey Julio Lugo. We just sit here and wait because. It may be a little financially irresponsible. Asked for thirty million even though I don't believe it certainly. The question 'cause he's never had the balls to be able to hold out and go to free agency he said the opportunity. And he has been underpaid at times he's been one of the best of the best bargain in baseball for a couple of years of his career. For that exact reason because he hasn't been willing to strap them on and go to free agents so what does he do here. What does he do yet if he wants that if that's what he wants city wants two years that he wants them but I know that you don't it does on Saturday. I'm gonna forget that there maybe not happening you don't think he's got a free. No. I don't know why. He can always come back because he -- -- back though most money you are right. Most money yelled at the right but the most money is not here OK unless he can get a lot to get free agency and convince the reds. But the somebody else interest -- well -- do you do that you gotta stretch tomorrow archer got to strap on what we think he's. Gonna make it about testicles okay. About. Say well it is about it you know it's about it -- -- it's about reality. Reality reality -- an extra -- To -- out -- -- -- -- regular -- regular. You've got to know. Where the money. It's like you were talking earlier the generator was out he said. You know that people confined to have that people aren't and people on the money. They know the money in the rich man well the only way that I -- And but if you if if if he wants to me. Anywhere close to that and we win he's going to do is to get the Red Sox understand that there's somebody else interest. And the only way you do that I think is you get free agency because if he got -- sort this thing in your right. There's somebody else interested but they're not interested at that number. The other articles are free agency there's no doubt his agent will receive. 45 phone calls. From general managers. Morris seems -- we love -- Ortiz I would have let. He can really help our lineup but -- but what now they don't love him as much as the Red Sox little blow up so even before the deadline. You know I know he knows that the most money is with the Red Sox. -- go to free agency and make himself. He's -- wide open and a member armament. -- -- available free agent content on gimme offers offers. -- -- -- -- But. You know the most money -- with the reds he doesn't know that the -- was to free agent. And he can't and he can't get the Red Sox to move -- then number let's say let's go figure let's say he's -- -- for thirty million for two years. The Red Sox -- -- twenty million for two years why would the Red Sox move on that number. Unless they're convinced that somebody else helped you might steal them away from. Jolie gets that Michael until -- until -- it's so he has some leverage. There's no reason the Red Sox wanna get a little by now they -- come up with a deal by now he's out of last week like everything was hunky dory and it was going to be great. What is happened what we're finding out here in the last couple of hours. That it looks more more like David Ortiz is going to free agency. What's happening is he wants behind number there willing maybe they already because he sounded pretty good about the fact that last week. Able to give the two year deal. Course that really give -- two year deal at -- dollars. So that the average annual salary is way down from what he made last year. That's how they're doing and so what he's got to do what he wants to get that number up. He's got to get another party intricate because of that happens and the Red Sox find out that there's another team -- -- Baltimore let's say. How the Yankees. Better pitchers bit in Ortiz. Then it's a hard court decision old bully. We're gonna lose him to a team where he may come back and burn us is worth ten million guys. At the -- what do you -- That's the only way he's gonna get this money because like I believe they are in the discipline mode here and maybe why don't they have a deal Cody Ross. They want. All of that went on David -- would. While it means it. At a -- parties and how he looks like he's free and hit it in the same category or to -- -- the reason they don't have a deal. Is because their displaying. Discipline at least out of the -- maybe they are displaying discipline writers say things things happen and I'm talking about right now. I know that they are currently in negotiations but they only got out here the other guys out here put on hold on fewest free agency and nobody offers him a dime. And guess what Waxman and the and the Red Sox are not given -- thirty mil -- year goes onto the next. And that's the danger Dave Ortiz. You can say you could talk about strap them on and all that stuff and have the guts in the ball to do it art you can go to free agency. And even before it goes I'm sorry that's in play that game he knows we all know the Red Sox got to give him the most money. They say he's more important to the Red Sox and he has to any other team -- can help another team. But to the Red Sox David Ortiz on the field off the field is more important to them than -- than their competition. So you know they're going you know even try to. If you David -- this wonder end. I wonder if somebody will give me forty million they won't so we go to free agency here's the risk of. And somebody offers you two years. And twelve million dollars. Or two years and fifteen million dollars and then you go back with your tail between your legs -- -- Red Sox now you know what yet you've got to the fifteen million. I'm gonna take it although you and take the one year for thirteen point one million dollars and then you're gonna start all over next year that's why he can do this. He's got one year right now there is no way the Red Sox do not offer him. That one year -- there -- -- I want -- there is absolutely no way. So he's got the thirteen point one. He's not gonna take debt that the crappy deal locked in he doesn't have a older well he's already done the one year the last couple years he can do that so what took so the only way. Was -- but if you think about that. So it -- in a market we know was gonna happen and open market. As the DH position has been do you emphasize that point 237. Year old DH 337. Year old injured DH. So we know that the market is not going to be crazy and and the Red Sox are not in that market in the -- leaving the Red Sox so that takes away. One of those power teams that free agents are always that important what the Red Sox and yankees involved all the time tonight particularly the Red Sox because. Destitute you can come to a deal -- After all that. Go to market you don't get what you want to come back and take one year for thirteen million good salary we don't take it was a fuss all about -- gonna be angry. This same situation you've been dealing with usage you don't want to deal with these when -- -- don't wanna have the uncertainty you want you wanna have. Security of a two year deal doesn't make any difference conditions change so he can justified by saying I -- thirteen million dollars this year all of a terrific season. I'll get another thirteen million dollars next year knowledge of with a two year deal for 46. By the way Michael all he has to do was look at the last two years when he -- a two year deal two years ago. And look at what he's amassed over the last two years taking one year deal so I think if he ends up going to free agency just looking at his district. It's not the be strapping -- And he's gonna go up there and taking a risk in taking gamble it's because his agent is convinced that somebody out there is gonna offer on enough trinity. To either entice him to go there. War -- force the Red Sox to up their empty and give him tremendously -- that's the reason he goes to free agency and the worst case scenario. He comes back here at thirteen point. Is -- more importantly. You don't want. I would watch out for thirty million I would watch out for ball come one now I. You gotta watch out here it's getting got to do -- Cleveland got to deal it is Detroit got to do it. Cleveland's interest in one but I know -- you know I'm I'm not sure but it was ready on that again we go with thirty million went up to my interest on lap thirty million dollars. So your your whole pointless. His agent is gonna be convinced that somebody's got to pay him more or pay him that number is gig seventy unless he's gonna pull rail. Must he's gonna say screw you a ridiculous to go elsewhere and I just opened that's in his nature but you know all anything's possible but. It sounds to me about that grow up Dustin Pedroia before a game and the jury won't talk about the medical field and it'll. You altered Dustin Pedroia has no class ticket this week ago he was convinced he was gonna get -- -- you'd guess he probably heard. Red Sox probably had passed along to his agent they were willing to give him two years guarantee. What do you think happened between last week in this. Finally sold -- dollar bills. For the two years they finally saw what it was going to be I'm not so circle. That I I was hit in thirty not so cynical that QB yeah. I'm disappointed we don't get what you still I'm still had enough -- to be disappointed that the united and enough a good player. The good the important players don't give up you know being honest with yourself you know the thing and you know the -- and that's a great job. Needless act now though little guys are not protected okay would you but would you would you given a -- the Red Sox if you really believe his value was what's -- -- -- -- For two years. Or or you -- -- org you'll get let's -- thirteen of fourteen for one yeah I. There's another as good average annual salary for one year is going to be higher number that what it averaged -- kind of year. -- of the 28 to thirty if that's what he says if he says I want. -- -- I want to 48 or more free agency would you -- if you weren't promising now. And -- David Rio we love you the weirdest thing there -- a lot and we respect you or -- You know innocent this saying all that stuff you're not very important part of the truck we gave you know oh really. Now a couple years ago when you're dealing with the -- ever take him for years and forty do you think you'll beat Judah. I think -- bottle of it laughable. -- It's fun outside Seoul is not only -- -- something that I don't think I ever. I never asked -- anything ridiculous that I know that I am not going to be the gauntlet to the basket what you're gonna volatility of the old people and coming into etiquette did you do a little -- few people they know you're good looking. For the number. Anybody that he's been doing today that you from what it feels. Apparently review of the right now. -- source familiar with the negotiations. On it appears -- likely that David Ortiz in the Red Sox will not reach an agreement on a two year deal. Before the designated hitter reaches the open market in two days on the Red Sox are a lot of conduct. Exclusive negotiations with the Ortiz until twelve or 1 AM on Saturday so. Pretty much of midnight Friday. At which time other organizations now will be allowed to talk contract -- the free agent as of now source says he does not appear. That a deal will be reached during the window of exclusivity. So it means that David Ortiz will go to free agency and anything's possible -- the other option. What is going to happen I know it as that according to this source -- -- who's privy to negotiations on an arm not. What do you think. -- Except saying hello to right. It's possible I I still just not the deck. I find it hard to believe that David Ortiz is up this team I find it also hard to believe. The David Ortiz -- get two year deal guaranteed at 282930. Million deals on the it's like because then. Forget about the the whole idea. Of of trying to. Show some film stability financial stability and in. And looking for value and trying to build this roster that they won't do one piece. So the question the question is is there any interest. It out some of the Texas who said what about the Detroit that would Delmon Young about what about Houston they wanna make a splash right now how about Texas State they wanna make a splash. Is it possible. It is possible out what you I find it hard to believe. That he's worth to another team. 28 to thirty million dollars for two years because I don't leave. Here where he is a huge marketing commodity that is worth 28 million dollars for two years. And he's worth far more here than he has anywhere else because of his marketing ability -- what -- meant to the organization and -- Well a couple things here one. Bobby Valentine thanks -- I'm Bobby right come on guys answer my question why would you want somebody back equipment you -- Younger because things were bad with seven questions -- I will soon as I wanna be I wanna hear David reduces the chances of course some -- -- -- would -- do to help out the free agency market wants in my era. Here's -- second. I -- about batting. You do -- do about. You know us. It was about to get socket. -- -- -- -- about that. Actually that like he -- that money -- that -- Greg quoted. You know my my his mind. It might here's my special of the day Neitzel buried it did on special. Special prediction. -- I'm not IE VOK. -- Warriors go gamblers out there. I'm giving you this one thank me later -- -- -- Carriker beat Sampras at -- about them biblical land of video review. These tips. I gave it a bit off tonight football again last third I don't even remember again because I stop -- -- two weeks ago when it comes to Tampa Bay over Minnesota a big hot Minnesota argument you Vikings you've been awful president football tonight. -- -- Milan all the people you level it would also all of its. Sticky spot cheats and -- -- His reason that you'll realize -- -- did you have your own self interest as -- to sell books opportunity aren't aren't I've given up -- -- I don't know I don't ever let up on them. For one team can wrap this. New York Jets have been the ones I know they only charges last week seven to six moves to how that would it. -- -- -- -- -- -- But here's -- David Ortiz does not cooperate. So they were this and next we're we're got to deal -- deal and it won't be close to thirty. Can't be close to that. I mean I I love what -- -- and we got it when we went to the polls last week and we're going falls it's no higher than to put people people call up and he's got the two years during the thirty get and that's what he -- that no -- you're trying to show discipline to years to the rest of the no higher than 22. Like two years 22 at -- got the comeback player I am -- AA had a great game Monday if that's the case. Then they'll be bitching about this it will be bitching about this two week -- a two year contract it was until Bradford argue your deal right now. What Tim says it is an important -- talk about numbers I don't -- it. So I agree with the -- 12800 alternate gazillion over two million. Or so I just vocalist of GM up at New Hampshire yeah. Can't get them. Hey you -- reminding guys that went Papelbon left. In the free agency in the receiving game -- it -- that shot at making. -- offer. So is that a critical on that defensive. -- -- does you know if he comes back healthy it's a lot -- Thought you know Roger I think is a big difference Houston they're talking they're negotiating with David Ortiz right now in negotiations are going great obviously they're not. But they're talking with him with in Jonathan Papelbon case. He didn't go to them they didn't go to him I think everybody knew going into. The 2011. Season. No -- be his last season with the Red Sox so. There there was -- negotiators. Yet he -- but that is true but. You know it it does this the year that -- he's got to get fed up with -- the back and forth game you know. It all depends what else he's got out here for himself yeah see he can talk all he wants about one or two years and 28 million dollars that's all well and good. But if he's not gonna get that anywhere else then why would the Red Sox simply given to what do you want to see it as a gift. Just just wrap it up and say here I mean. They're going to pay him based on what they perceive as his value his value is indeed high -- here and Boston. Then it is anywhere else because of what he brings to the table marketing the fact that people buy shirts they -- of the games because they wanna see big poppy. And right now they kind of desperate for middle of the of the lineup power so he's worth more to them. Than anybody else. Yeah he -- but. Again that -- at some point you know players and it. Get tired of that that you used the word they respect word. You know he's not killing respect. Now I think he's got to get away without a huge 31 I'm not sure he can get away with -- right now it's easy just like to going to be you know knocking on the door I agree with Michael amount. Now there might be some teams that can leak it out. That they may be wanted to give them an awful lot of money. But I wanna see it on the table right before I -- they may -- got to play with the Red Sox a little bit and force the Red Sox to overpay a mobile. There's Allen and over now. They get our. I think you -- -- be discounted the ball my ankle a little bit too much not saying that's gonna happen but I can kill lotteries and where Baltimore won the China. Should Baltimore well there -- it -- -- I don't I don't hit it out lets be clear what Wednesday. I think every team in the American League would be interest in signing David Ortiz that's 12. At what price. Is not it is not just interest. In in -- -- pointless. He can get more than say thirty million in free agency do you think. Not part -- orioles' interest in David Ortiz of course they are are they interested in signing David Ortiz for thirty million or 35 million dollars. Think that I but I think they're entered students signing him at that number that high enough to make the Red Sox overpaid for him. It more than what the Red Sox won a -- Well that's the one that's the one I don't like what -- -- -- for example -- -- -- the -- -- -- -- here how much. Total here at 26 million dollars let's celebrate -- that that's a I think that you weren't. I'll think about that suspect and finally almost legitimate I mean I don't know that over keep that they did last year because it was kind of a -- with the catalytic it's wet. He gives the legitimacy. He will possibly you know get -- people on the seat to see see the. A little bit more than they try and now you know to -- and also the year that -- you know they had David Ortiz allowed and T eight last year and they beat the Yankees. So you know you get that part of it I just really think that it's subtle and two years. -- old money didn't you didn't play half the job six -- so it's just I'm not sure that -- worked out and that's. It now but out that is something that everybody has to consider. Because you're talking about 37 years old this more. -- 37 years of age and Achilles problem that was a collision or anything -- simply -- trot. On somebody else's home run around the bases and turned it. So you got to be worried about it now at his age. -- and I think he looked. The Arctic and it's healthy unit you know -- benevolent playing on the same field yet -- I just think I would. Not just yeah I will agree with -- -- -- discount -- the Orioles looking at the fact that they -- with told me last year -- Davis Cup at that spot I would not discount wouldn't. But. I find it hard to believe that somebody is gonna go out there and give him. Huge dollars maybe more than the bloody Guerrero deals over the last couple years OK but I can't believe that somebody's gonna give me two year guarantee deal -- -- -- -- at 28 to thirty million and if the Orioles. Do you -- David Ortiz at number Al mentioned in nine years -- -- Ortiz goals from Boston. The ball. The Red Sox that hurt the Red Sox and helped the the -- -- that's because. You've got they've spent their money have a lot of money the spin out of the Orioles though they don't they're not like the Yankees and Red Sox and Angels and Dodgers there. Rolen like nobody or planning any more money this off season Michael that she pats owner they have the -- dirt none and hold off. Peace and a lot of the season -- personally I know you hear there cola he spent money in the past foolish right now don't look at. He spent money foolish now he may have the bug again but they're talking about spending money on the -- they also need a pitcher I was got sick idea. And act like -- -- their money on Ortiz. And have a great pitcher -- -- -- very good pitcher into question here is the question. I'd take Ortiz are few Red Sox move. US to question help or hurt the Red Sox what do you think David Ortiz is going to be like this upcoming season. Jim -- two weeks ago I said you know. I wouldn't give the ten year guarantee deal I think he can be find of 2013. But I did you stretch 2014. But you thought last week. He could be very very good in 2013. If that's gates yeah. And David Ortiz goes to the Orioles and you look at your line up here in Boston without David Ortiz will hurt the Red Sox. The shots -- good about David Ortiz era the first hour. Sources are saying it is now likely he will go to free agency come Saturday it's not been able to come to an agreement with the Red Sox. I'll read this text on the AT&T it's excellent AT&T forgy LTE speeds up to a course ten times faster than three. We noticed who just won the World Series and they did without a big bat like Ortiz in 0407. We spent big on pitching and won titles. I think everyone forgot that and is getting focused on getting. And home runs again and and -- All it's about them pitching. He's right and so if you look at that lineup -- there are also on development is Tampa has great pitching -- Pablo sent to Villone Eddie eight terrific. World Series home runs and one okay and Marcos hero. Hit well above what anybody anticipated he could do by the way they're negotiating with -- for DEX you make some money in the World Series like this. But he was in Colorado and Indians up there in Frisco and now it's gonna get a new deal. But this -- absolutely correct pitching pitching IQ and -- -- -- it is right there. All of us would agree west that's the most important thing Brett as -- -- that you like to keep attempting to earn a World Series were both both keeper orgies. -- keep ignoring the fact. That the team with the best pitching in the division didn't make the play. They -- zero hitting nothing. They've -- -- that lineup you read David Ortiz that lineup they went back to the parent -- so let's just play along here. David Ortiz away focus on pitching it's -- Do you are you comfortable with the Red Sox lineup without David Ortiz. -- not if not you'd argument what so I don't know I'm not tired you just -- a few minutes ago he read it at the Red Sox win it David Ortiz goes to know I'm asking you -- -- you think it's all about pitching I don't I don't I don't think I don't think it's all about -- I think you have to be able to hit a little bit a little bit. All I pulled -- -- people usually get hit a little. So do you think the reds aren't asking a question I'm not trying to set you appeared. Who -- me -- like a mother archer who hurt. You're glad to hurt you tell me. And after him. Do you think the Red Sox. Without David Ortiz. Is that lineup because -- it they have a melting in that lineup and now that's why bring him back for one year. I don't think he can do the same thing in 2014. It's too much of -- risk and I think there will be guys out. And you can't live on sentimentality. The teams that do well and any sports are the ones that don't bask in sentimentality and don't. But. You're lying to me couple months ago was to David Ortiz goes to the Baltimore Orioles. Besides two year deal down there for big money to the Red Sox -- Dellucci said. Guess that's I think it hurts it -- and they know David Ortiz -- look at Baltimore. They're not going to be in market clubs are three or four victory that does well. It's not gonna contrary to what you believe I think already have pretty good team. They need another bat and they need to and they need a starting pitcher top the top of the rotation story. A couple of Michael called Ramadan and look where they are right now compared to the -- here. Anyone had a great -- look great -- season good for -- happy for them. Happy for their fans and they should bring back the today one of the -- person again bring back the white hat what they want a little bit on -- important -- -- one of the better catchers in the game and it. Adam Jones gold glove Warner center fielder very good had a terrific season very good -- that. On the Gillick did the job pretty deployed to like your pitching now I don't like prepared. Arguable that. Tremendous leadership -- OK that was tremendous and anybody give give you 200 innings the starters are just pretty much average. -- courage. What they're doing is the type stuff I would do from the -- but Joseph Saunders I would picked up a guy like that that's the type of a pitcher. That you gotta start thinking about that and the Red Sox are doing that. They're not making deals for pitching the Yankees did last year when I got to Obama an old guy at a younger guy OK I'll eat. We talked the last two with Seattle and what Detroit did in bringing it -- for -- To the Red Sox got a etiquette out my over couple weeks or whatever. What did you intricate Detrick had an idiot number two guy in Asia I've seen didn't give up that much I've seen Doug Fister. -- a lot of times. That -- a friend of mine. Joseph Saunders is no -- personal but just to pitch well I'm still not Carter just on -- -- Joseph Saunders and fifty cents to Japan and back and don't Saunders Jackson those Tampa guys. The Red Sox aren't doing that. Don't what is your goal -- want to -- the Red Sox to go after like that that Joseph Saunders. No I. I think it gives you some depth that's what Baltimore about last year they had some depth. Now from the Red Sox the one thing I wanna do was I wanna try climbed on top of the rotation guy would you make a deal for Danny Haren right now. Angels of Marty traded it was Santana they're looking to trade away or would you would you make a deal -- you gonna have to give up quite. Which you don't. Not to give up quite a bit now because. -- -- get one of those guys that. Why because I don't think here and as -- -- got some issues article right you I don't think you've won so if you've been what you know what those guys available. Would I give up. Bogart to a regular Jackie Bradley junior would I give up Barnes and yet you got to go moral -- -- great top of the rotation -- -- at the top of the rotation guys if you're talking about a Felix Hernandez should look for more than and I cannot be -- to so you have to get it to whatever rotation guy but for me. If you can't get one of those guys and I want the feeling guys on what the guys I can I can fit in the -- have. -- -- -- You gotta go to the season with that rotation. And feel good didn't we did last year and the year before and the year before what's the editor netted us how many playoff games Michael what's the difference between. Joseph Saunders and Felix. I don't know off Lackey can pitch next year you don't know if he can pitch next we don't know. Off Tommy John surgery. We have no idea what he's gonna be able to do company image is gonna be able how durable do Brock Davis. 1984 were you can -- what happens after Tommy John Taylor wandering into -- well you can start to you you -- command with five guys next year. And the same guys that you depended on the last three years. That admitted use 00 playoff games and suddenly think miraculously does assault alleged problem to solve the board probably gonna solve the public. Maybe does. If he does that's a bonus but there is no way. I'm going into the season. -- a -- a bank on for the last three or four years -- it'd be zero playoff games are -- the car it's optional. Or don't -- our -- -- -- she's she was going out there quick question Tom I guess we're comes down to -- We all reared in Turkey at the most to target you are to a -- you're -- balls correct. What has that I think I don't know ward where agrees with. But I I'm with you hear about I'd be shocked I would be shocked if it's more more than that I actually believe that if you're looking at his value with -- -- age. He has more value here in Boston. But I'm not sure. That adds value gives him a two year contract that's that's a risky proposition. If you're suddenly. Talk tell everybody you're gonna displayed discipline. Like we're getting arrogance -- six -- football David and -- starts. Would it make sense to give them we appear that deal with -- For the first year a little later in the second in me like they're sixteen and seven or fourteen and eight that make sensible David on the road starts this week. What difference does it it's all guaranteed so it's what Paterno rather he had it doesn't matter how you structure -- -- you -- do that. They're easier to get work or respect that they're so we're bigotry Cabrera. Whether -- be easier -- and do something. And that's why I'm my guess is he's gonna ask for -- you know can -- He's ran his career you don't have to ask for notre politicking is it going to be -- it's been a -- -- right not -- not to worry about right now. Now it wouldn't change that. Now. If he can he can dictate where it worried. A 6177797937. We get tickets. I think we're gonna -- -- Celtics tickets on the tentative which you have to be listening to you never know. When it's gonna throw you don't know what's gonna happen but you do know that Danny is going to be today and that's going to be important for. Any changes to the from posted. Hopefully everything goes well. Man. In my mind you know like he. Is the bottom of the season that I -- the months I. He what I had to sit down and start of gone to their situations. But I hate that part that people I'm not at all not all of it look somewhere. Wanna make it sound like it's my problem the way I can never signed my. And Jose -- my problem. David Ortiz is indications from people close to the negotiations he gets to free agency. On midnight. Saturday midnight to Friday twelve -- one. AM on Saturday were talking about it here -- -- -- -- wife holly you. There's Mike in -- Mike. Like what's -- Mike. Don't speak yet I don't put you're right radio that a veteran right here he knows. It. Tell everybody Iraq and how it was done home of the dogs. It straight -- -- still still rivals -- Randolph. No not over and doing the original for long walks each. Night anyway. So it might take on David Ortiz. I don't you'd agree with me probably one of the best units in the league at least above average and not anything -- right. Okay. And pain and I know he get a goal on the I don't expect the turning to Ryan the envoy in one year -- -- -- sign a one year Leinart to an up and against the -- he's young kid declaring you know he's got a time common. By the point is stat I mean how much of a drop box you know even if he went from an above average in the past the -- out to a good -- even that -- -- network most. You know teams average to good one. So -- potential as he has to he has a worst case scenario like that could be. And all that the second year you might drop that preached a lot of good -- you know -- you salute the I am I would give the -- yeah -- -- you know I'm not sure what the money would work out. That's that that's all matters here is that it David -- got tight Red Sox have agreed to a two year deal renteria was that what the money. -- Well I mean if you look at -- 22 to 44. I took -- parties to the third is that of a parity what what is Mike did you im gonna give. Yeah that anybody. I. -- all right and make fun of said that yeah but that's the issue -- that's the problem and that's why they're going back and forth because he is dead set on getting the two year deal he said that a million times. He said -- last year ironically. He -- two year deal a year ago -- the Red Sox were to give him the same amount of money they gave him. Last year this year which is fourteen and three quarter -- That he would have gotten a two year deal. Last two years last year and this year for a total of 29 million dollars over 29 Eagles almost thirty million dollars. But it's all in his mind that he has to have this two year deal. Remember he wanted to deal at the beginning of last year and that that was going to be yet. Suddenly he wants the two year deal not what's the saying that you get the ten year deal next year 2014 if he's played well this deal with -- -- It's you and protects our what does he wore. That's the quite -- Text -- male and males that Texas is for a guy who hates talking about his contract he sure seems to like -- Talking a lot of got a journal isn't -- he hates talking about how he talks about it -- them. Has gotten Connecticut near the -- self scouting. Yeah it's. Did you outline that I wanted to sort of agree that you -- Could take out a little bit that what you say it. Well I agree completely I'm a little -- Baltimore they got a bit this year they might take a flyer on him and and pay him you know all -- -- that he had today. I'm number -- I had no particular problem however as I see them go through some leg quicksilver is clearly seems to play through these I'm not too worried about that. -- he was supposed to be out for two to three days. He missed 90 yeah that's right that's that's not a minor injury. It would no surgery by the way. It is that and out either however however here's my -- okay is that Forney. And ask for thirty they might -- -- Look at carted -- -- I was hitting it left over after the Dodgers deal in other civic young player that they retired -- and others on the left. They need hitting -- and what you've got it done and not a big fan of all he's pitching any pitching and obviously. Yeah -- Michael that before sitting in the hitting. You know I think it -- -- also understood but I felt like sentimental dollar question Larry Bird Michael Lerner. A mega star give it give you some confidence you know -- -- bronze -- an extra contracts. But he's not a lot of that let a lot out. But -- -- a sentimental dollars and you could sign a Rowell Bosnia -- like the Yankees did look what they got out of him. -- -- Eddie was very affordable. Right. -- -- Manuel and play earliest. It's a matter of three to six million dollars. Take a look at what the economy it is considering the fact that it rarely hear that Boston. He really played that you gotta have admitted you know offer for much much -- dollars. And you know now here we are there any extra years a couple of 36 million dollars. They can -- off maybe maybe even at seven from north. You know and that will look draw hundreds of millions for a guy like -- off. -- -- -- -- -- Yeah. We were now I don't know it it is an irrelevant I'll tell you why it is irrelevant because the Red Sox are basically telling us battle failed. When they unloaded all of that money 2150 million dollars but what. Really good years in Gonzales in Crawford and people he might have been pissed that Beckett but he was their best pitcher of the year before 2011. -- but they got rid of the 250 million dollar -- basically telling you it. We screwed up we made the staged major screw up all of these other things that they have done spending big money building their payroll under 91 million dollars. -- am not playing. Past four years couldn't. Win. So what they're saying now which we do business that way right so you can't look back and I've heard people say it over. Money for this. Ortiz is thinking that we Michael brought it up it is isn't Roberts gives you don't want a little bit of -- unfortunately for David Ortiz. If finally learned their lesson they're talking disciplined they're talking value. And then suddenly saying that and why why why why in our record right now are out late. But that's why they shouldn't go oh. And make those mistakes again because once they start making those mistakes again and got --