Oct 31, 2012|
Baseball America released its ranking of the top 10 prospects in the Red Sox farm system on Wednesday, with shortstop Xander Bogaerts topping the list, followed (in order) by CF Jackie Bradley Jr., RHP Matt Barnes, RHP Allen Webster, LHP Henry Owens, C Blake Swihart, 3B Garin Cecchini, OF Bryce Brentz, SS Jose Iglesias and SS Deven Marrero. Jim Callis of Baseball America joins the show to explain the rankings and to discuss a number of prospects who didn't make the cut, while also giving his assessment of the state of the Red Sox farm system.
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-- in this league a minor details by Jim Kallis baseball America ended -- its its like a holiday or something because baseball America has come out. Today with its Red Sox top ten prospect rankings for the post 2012 season so Jim thanks so much for joining. I was glad to be here it's always always fun talking about the respect it. Well yes and do it always it always -- shorts generates a ton of feedback for yourself in that vein let's start with this. You probably had to talk more about Lars Anderson than anyone else in the Red Sox system. Over the last five or so years so he's gone he's now with the Indians they traded him for a knuckleballer ball things. Is Jose Iglesias your new Lars Anderson or who would qualify for that designation. Now obviously it would with a large today because I feel like it's like to have broken up after a long relationship -- -- I touched the dog that bit like with both feet. And I still remember. I mean I guess taken out of it might be four years ago adapt to me when he when he had a year where came up at the end and they've played long double -- we talked to has got to said -- they are gonna do this bit. If the Red Sox need him to he could be their first baseman next April. And they just kind of stagnated after that. Yeah I think -- I think if he had Vick still captivity still qualifies for the handbook and he actually care in the prospect in the dark. Because the Indy in the city where he is now I have one of specific response systems that you may still read Lars Anderson in 2013 custody in the it would not have made the reds actually I think they got food. I'm experiencing. -- with now it's just not likely yes because. I can think equation has a chance to be a good big leaguer not so good hitter like I think the defense is that valuable. And it looks so did defensively in September. Think the guy to -- that got a little to keep reading about that sort of read about a four or five years now. It is still only -- -- -- -- that there's still stuff there. That the results are not -- But you know it's still interesting arm in the immediate show improvements from last year's field it will still be an issue is put in and you'll see what happens -- storming in 2013. He's tough one because he's still I mean it is extraordinary -- guy who's now. Two years -- to being on the forty man roster to be so young you know he's what 22 now I think. -- done yet and the good numbers don't jump off the page money didn't double play it was what like four and a half ERA. Spent the whole season there I actually was a little bit surprised. That they didn't take the step of giving him a bump up to triple -- at the very end of the year. Just a given the sense that he was moving forward and his career and he was actually the end of the year pitching really pretty well put together a string of nine starts but. And yet he's he's he's a tough one to get a read on just because. You know he's a physical guy who throws you know mid to high ninety's and sometimes shows the slider his his changeup from what I understand came back somewhat this year. To what it had been in the lower minors but. I got you he's after spending here I think that he was in what the teams last year and I imagine that he's going down from that this year. Well he's gone from my head and numbers numbers 62 years ago -- -- dropped to number 243 last in western he was just disaster right and the airport and try to get stuffed it comeback bid. They've still got it around any didn't miss a lot of that some idiot if you see it on the right day. And you give him you know he's got their mid nineties fastball and -- -- -- -- changeup didn't. The flash an average slider and mean you can look and see okay what can they can't beat number three starter -- But he just could hit double A he. Evil piece of work towards the bottom of the list in and you know I can say ahead if it's -- better next year they'll -- back updated. And it's not -- If you walk early in particular I guess that if you wanna look at from the optimistic side -- a guy and I -- tell you get around the list could use up and down throughout his minor league career. Was it realistic broad it was from I think it's on the list a couple years ago I dropped to seventeen YE that you that it disappointed last year in. Yeah update you with the guys the Red Sox what we're looking -- coming into 2011 assists and a guy we could count on his -- starter. Earl -- whatever we need you know they had deep pitching going this season and then when everything fell apart. He just wasn't ready to offer much help but drop in the seventies and they came back had a pretty solid rookie this year. In order to bring this conversation if it took him going to go ahead and read off the top ten list it's like David Letterman moment. And lets you wanna. Do the honors and how ideology do failure to go from want to can't attend -- one what do you think -- better. I guess I'd guess in the top. OK okay so we won't build up the -- well we won't go for the buildup to the element of surprise since. There is -- with the number 10 -- your body yes welfare enough it's like New York it's like exactly. Yes too soon sorry but number one Zander Bogart's number two Jackie Bradley junior. Number three Matt Barnes right handed pitcher. Number four on Webster right handed pitcher number five Henry Owens left handed pitcher. Number six -- -- heart catcher. Number seven guarantee -- needn't third baseman. Number eight Bryce Bryant's right fielder or outfielder depending on how do you view him but number nine Jose Iglesias at for mentioned in number ten -- Guerrero. Mike Iglesias a shortstop. So the thing that the thing that I find interesting about the list and I always kind of when we check in for this conversation. I always like to look at. At the list and compared to other years. The thing one of the things that striking to me this year is that it seems to be driven the top ten for the Red -- seems to be driven a lot. Based on actual performance. Purses on projection whereas in the last couple of years. I felt like there's been a lot of potentially high ceiling talent. But the top ten has been to find a lot by. By projection rather than what the guys have actually done in the minor leagues is that it do you view it that way and if so what does that say about the state of the system. Oh I don't know I've got off to get a conscious effort -- media are always looking to bounce statistics -- -- -- made a conscious effort to change my approach this year I think. I think it's more a case of just the guys are further along in the system. Is it Bogart has got the double day. Yeah Matt Barnes got a high hay -- in practice pitching double a this year you know Bradley was in double it Webster was in double -- We had some of the guys on that on that really interest in Greenville team did your price -- double -- guy equation is played particularly except it's just more a case where. These guys have got you know are further along through this system. You know what you know as a -- they were years past and a look at last year's list we knew we'd double -- well a sign out the draft. A ball deep ball well way. New York Penn league -- about the draft you rivals -- way it was it was startling the most advanced got right. So I think it's more a case that a little less useless I think to the topic guys that played in double -- or better -- an -- area I think it's it's five or six of. And I think it's also probably fair to point out that this year's draft class was considered. Down from out of previous years and so that might also explain why it. In you know from 2008 on say. From 20082011. Or so in not in your lists. -- guys were taken in the draft might have rated more highly in the system and those were available on the board this year. I think particularly with the new rules and in the Red Sox in past years it is being handed out seven figure bonuses wherever they want -- in. And you playing god wherever. You know this year it is there were some limitations and I like their draft. But I mean you look at it to 2011 draft which are based just what you -- to get a chance to be pretty special right. We really a place like art and Matt Barnes and Jackie Bradley junior Henry L and all of that on the top and it. And really all the top six. You all -- for those guys can be above average big leaguers and this year you mean just you know black or it appears to be. I'd like get a rare out he was in the -- that I thought was that sort of lasted long in the draft -- he did. But yeah there are some questions on his bat. Alec Bryant Johnson they got into the first round but Bryant Johnson not an overpowering type guy he delegates soft tossing crafty lefty either. But he doesn't need it he's not Drake Britton is knocking -- road. Yeah 97. Anymore the guy is gonna need a stitch you up with three or four -- A year ago it seemed safe to suggest it will middle Brooks was a relative no brainer as the number one -- as the number one prospect. Is it safe to say that the same was true -- under Bogart's this year or was there. Any question in your mind whether or not Bogut might be the guy at the top list. -- well actually not think let's just kick back and forth because. What -- a little tougher for me because you and Mel Brooks. It's funny if you go back and actually that Belichick took a lot of heat but I fought cancer like or -- white woman approachable and prosperity. The only hit tees you know to seven the year -- hit 300 in Portland being a lot much in. You know is you know how is this guy really get a peak he was he was arrested -- prospect in contrast it would folk -- to keep me in and hit. He always has sixteen home runs in half -- season of Willie ball as right as say eighteen year old who really capture the imagination there's been a lot of talk about comedy and it developed last year what kind of talked decade ago for the guy to. It was in double A and today it was received tips that I thought to be solid at least solid big leaguer in middle Brooks. -- -- because the guy that the higher ceiling but -- play a whole lot Bogart and I well Milbrett it's funny Kenny notebooks. Came out and and tore up triple lane played Creighton Major League forty got hurt I -- think you're deep. I think you actually boosted his stock even more likely that you -- it was pretty easy for me because. We -- -- today. It's it's funny he talked about book are two people within the Red Sox organization and help others such organization. Eric you mean. Its almost ridiculous in. The guy exceeded expectations last year out in 68 it would be ready to -- -- -- but he was it just crushing it -- it's a great rule they're like well you know. -- -- Unless this year you know they didn't even talked erratic they are trying to be conservative the coming this year. Okay in -- going to be in nineteen you know coming into 2012 in maybe we should send him back to. Yeah Lilly would be the most -- placed Sevilla anyplace is latest villain in and it's fifteen homers in about half a season his 300 in. And looks tremendous -- in the double -- and I don't Augustin you know where -- one -- these guys in the league in. I believe he was the youngest position player in in the Eastern League. Exactly it's like if you want to take Canadian -- walking only had one walking in about 95 plate appearances in double -- it's 326 slowed almost 600 in the right. Navigated its crazy and it. I think if it's. I don't they're trying not to rush him and they're trying not to you -- expectations up too -- But I mean if he keeps performing like he has. An 88 and yet my guess is he opens next year in double A because they wanted to work at their disposal to them. But like I mean I mean it. Maybe not put this way tie it 20 wait he's gone. I would expect indicated it was Tripoli at some point during that you think you really rollout with how fast he's moved out about the is. It's got to be the big quick as some play action I don't. I would say that's a lock by any means. But I mean the guy keeps basically blowing past every expectation they have for a match. Could only get back to the question yeah it's funny I did have a couple people who brought up Jackie Bradley and I just is you know -- -- you might wanna think about him. The I thought it was a kind of need to call this year because. The difference between the Jackie -- for me I mean. That they're both up the middle players in navy's senior outgrow shortstop by topic that's a lot easier and I -- jacket -- -- got to -- bad. There's got to get back to and I think the powers to separate you know it is -- guards was. At third base bidding begin you know what you thought he had maybe you know solid power rather -- you know plus plus pallor. Yeah maybe but I actually think I think underrated aspect -- is came into the boards I talked to people get inside and outside the organization. -- you know on this got a pretty good shortstop network cable talk about a move up shortstop it's because he's six with thirty is not because of anything he's doing wrong. Right now or anything he -- in his speed is probably. It's safe speed -- just average it is very different sides introductions at the position he he's got a strong arm and -- makes all the plates. So -- towards that and it's worth asking has Europe. Has your thinking on his ability to stay at short -- and shortstop changed in the last year. -- definitely care Kevin and it get any naked out doubling myself maybe it's a little. It's a little easy combined 286 threes -- 828630. Well once and 518088. Team last year so he can easily see the -- -- six streak to 840 when he filled out you know he'd be shortstop like that happen. Don't they I can't say -- -- the more I talk to people the more they say it don't rule out LA that I think a lot of it comes down the opportunity to me -- knew what the Red Sox have been their system right now. -- know Belichick -- paces ahead of him. Right now in the system and ours is gonna get a good shot -- playing shortstop and I think you have to come down to it if if somebody doesn't hit. And that is deemed too much of a liability. By Todd Anderson ready which it is what looks like will be at some point 2014. To play everyday in the big leagues. They're let's say Clijsters got out there hasn't form of the bat they've -- Bogart like that that's -- that -- it short. In the other thing that I think is kind of interesting to note with him -- this you know will middle Brooks has exceptional or hints at third base. To the point where he was you know even though Mike Gillis had a really good year as a shortstop in the big leagues. Middle Brooks would just brings so far to his left that he would cut off. A lot of balls that would ordinarily go to the shortstop. That gives you a little bit more flexibility in terms of what you can do in. You know when you're considering what can be an above average. An above average everyday shortstop. The Red Sox are an organization that ended up having Jed Lowrie and continue you know committing to the development of Jed -- has -- -- shortstop when. When they were just about the only team in the world that said you know that that's pointless and he ended up for -- spells being a very useful everyday shortstop for them Sammy. You can have they could put together a valuable shortstop in different ways you -- Jose Iglesias. With gold glove defense and maybe it into fifty without a lot of power locks but the defense is really really did or -- maybe it's -- Bogart and he's an average defender. Put -- well above average hitter for the position I mean. It's -- you can build on different ways having cal Ripken when -- play shortstop I mean believe me. Happy to position himself well they look like cal Ripken was assuming it is to reach your shortstop and -- decision for a long time -- that you can. We can argue you know Jeter went gold gloves and all the metrics feasible average shortstop the big east play -- -- -- short steps I think there's -- it. If you can get -- -- I think the respect -- have the makings of an above average sort that they actually have if five or six pretty interest in short steps in the system. And Nadal have many options at the position it is -- out they wanna do it yet if still that's basically it doesn't hit Annika -- bear the Bogart did get bigger you have to move elevating Nevada in. To -- member electorate here receive any electorate yours lately in. I'd be ready or that the shortstop down in the any GCL I think rundown. You might be ready that it got ready to go back get away Inglewood more a -- that you. You've got a variety of options at shortstop and battled to me that's going to be interesting to see how that all plays out of the next few years. Offensively. I've talked to some people who see -- is being kind of Manny Machado -- Auburn do you see that. Yeah I -- jackets hit that -- Yeah I mean it's a little -- Portland. Alienated the 620 games that he played there and that's the one. The other two that that's the biggest negative and it was blocked -- -- of any he would want to wanted to percent of his play -- -- right bill on the. Really pushed up yet that was an area of particular you know standout growth form in fact this year because. In Greenville last series in there has talked about as a guy with an advanced approach he had a club walker that was well below 10% it. Hey struck out almost three times as much as he walked -- this year it's Salem where again and indicated it was nineteen and still the youngest regulars in the Carolina league. The only east district about three country -- it was too conservative block that out and yeah but I think this is a guy -- getting did you know it over. The course of -- this -- it's 300. I mean. -- it's -- catalytic you wanna put on it homers and activate 45 homers and that might be -- birdied. Talking about 300 hitter with thirty homers. You know it it plays everyday -- try to -- 5060 times. Pretty good pretty good player -- I think hit it at that depth that's so good bad. Yes third base would -- it's locked up with middle broad spending you could easily put him in say right field -- -- for the ATP to be good right fielder to an -- the that would definitely play there also. Without with Jackie Bradley junior number two and why did I guess he was one of the big guys made the biggest jump in your top ten this year. From number ten last year when he was just on the fringes of a coming off that injured season. That done at South Carolina as a college junior to number two this year what what surprised you about his season if anything. On you know like it I don't the players that did a lot of people's body was before he got hurt except Carolina -- first years as South Carolina. Even when he was on the Teepen is fresh and keep cuddly. And it was tremendous and energy that you just South Carolina defended its national championship. About an analogy -- senior 2000 level -- -- they've really turned on the Babson College Baseball I'll look it cannot impressed because of the draft -- its power but he. He got out of that start many injured his wrist and he never got -- at the plate. Which he did it out because they're -- slipped to number forty. I don't I think he did get Derrick definitely can hit 360 it's Salem. Now I -- think that maybe he'd get if you combined his numbers concealed Portland means. -- kind of players projected to be head South Carolina before he got hurt tried to get too much to try to keep it around 300. Did you drop until locks. You know or a gap power. -- he's -- average runner but he he's very instinctive on the bases stealing you know 1520 bases eighty. Believe it testicle always play that -- got an unbelievable defender. And finished Helio and it would get back to last year's list. Irish politically -- number two and I didn't expect much about this in the past two or these lists it's kind of like tens -- important cut off because top ten guys still in the magazine. Right and and thirtieth and then after that eleven to 32 on the prostitute and that pretty kinda don't want to leave anybody out the top and and then you know at that point you know is only given handbook -- -- he's like you know -- was about him but it doesn't matter a lot of he ranks fifteen to twenty there or whatever. You know we've we've spent a lot time worrying about who ranks where excellence at the last second -- actually what would Bradley ever Jose Iglesias and number ten spot last year. Meticulous in -- -- -- both premium defenders imprint it might be sold short in Munich -- premium premium except that classification defenders. And Bradley got the better bat but he didn't. Mean I think at all the resuscitated publicly but he can talk any scout. You know regardless of whether. The Red Sox yes side Ellsbury too long term deal that -- there's no question. That that Bradley's the center fielder Ellsbury is still left -- -- Bradley's. Throw physical class and are Steelers. -- waiting to happen and end as a bonus -- that it's a big part of that. He's got a very strong and our percentage field at least the big leagues. It is double B is -- in the center fielders in the game to me is just. So effortless AA have it at chasing down fly balls and -- analogy that you seniors out the I take very as far as -- stabilized not a cultural series and patient every year my my youngest. I have I have my fifteen year old son who is not that the big big spot in the seventy year old is. Even he will we -- with -- you know all. -- would comment as to how easy Jackie Bradley looked. Well it is calculated it checked Bradley which -- solid run -- with the ball would would get to rate well I can do have a caddie that's that's that's what they can get players associate visits. Well my summer and originally the Red Sox and he was originally -- Federer which began after. Meeting to consider a pitcher -- And it after the disappointment of Federer of which got treated. Jackie Bradley is it is now his favorite -- soccer reps not to be. You mention a federal which makes me makes me think so Ryan by only losses prospect eligibility this year. To your mind where would he be would he be -- behind Blake's way -- who was number six. I haven't behind at a time last year you know. Finally the guy have a hard I've figured out where it ranks but is. You know last year. I think so a lot of people I heard from Baylor assistant head it's not like the Red Sox call and -- you know without you don't just list stayed it's course and like connected they they were surprised to have -- went nine. -- that he qualified and this is more a testament to -- like in the guys they have debacle by I don't think you look at it like top ten because. I like our way for a lot of years I'm not convinced he's going to be an everyday catcher in the big leagues. And if he can it be an everyday catcher in the big leagues I just don't know I think you could get that hitter to be regular anywhere else you know in addition to place first round. I had some that's unfair it is. Yeah I got to see more varietal partly on TV than I did say is you know get a merlot Lowell. But you know look Hardaway. You guys yet to adjusting typically pitching. Sides. I did -- CNN. I feel like I'm laurel -- the most like a lawyer Belichick got a lot of critics nobody thought that I had any chance. -- to catch a Major League game with a right that he was a disaster and he's worked exceptionally hard. I think he's more that. That back up to you could hit for power and maybe catch you know 5060 games a year is your back -- I I don't see him as an everyday catcher. PM I think that this coming season is going to be really the really they're the truth serum for him because my feeling was that this year by the time he got up to the major leagues that. This was his first year as an everyday catcher and so naturally there is going to be. A considerable amounts of fatigue did you know simply he was accused facing for the first time. In his life as a catcher and ended going forward. You know in that going toward hell have experienced that -- so then. It becomes a question of how we can handle it but even in the context of the fact that here's probably exhausted at the end of the year. It is also worth noting that he didn't hit. To his track record at any point this season you know he didn't show the power that he China in the past so. We got around on a time into it completely leveled him IDs pocket is that he gave up you know 28 steals and 31 attempts in. You know it's -- interest and. Just to -- that's par for the course for Red Sox catcher. But don't get -- -- It's like I yet if you look at fastball numbers but like I -- think it will what I love about baseball reference that you can look at the wild -- numbers -- could be really good combination of the -- yet. A lot of plays official score to -- away. Did -- -- wild pitches surrendered in 25 starts I mean. Again that's sort of take on now all -- -- -- trust and respect of the guys who work incredibly hard I just don't know the defense is good enough to where you can run -- out there. He's definitely gonna have to show what they do with the bat and I agree with you mean I think he could've been wiped out. Matt did think there's no question this was his most grueling year but you do that the battle also leveled off you know even triple labeled itself. Does so getting back to that to the list you have an interesting group of pitchers at numbers three through five. Matt Barnes at number three Allen Webster who was acquired met Dodgers traded number four. It Henry Jones at number five -- it's worth noting to my mind that Owens I think made the biggest leap of anyone who was in your top ten. Since he was up from number eighteen last year -- those guys all spent the year at different levels Webster and double -- Barnes -- two levels of eight ball and Owens at low way. How do you settle on that order. Know that -- dedicate to talk about those guys in different orders saying you're right you know Owens did make the biggest job usual those guys it was a he would take last -- -- between pitcher after he signed late. And say yeah I'd died in Broadway at the list he wasn't elected to have the pedigree assistant Matt Barnes did coming -- the draft. And high school left handers just an incredibly risky proposition without any professional track record to hang your hat on. Right they are so good way to put it that -- is number two pilots for awhile before switch that Jackie Bradley I've had people tell me. If they think Al Lester can be number two overall the list I think early and he's still. I don't hit a sleeper telling people that -- is that. Played day in each year from now Perry Ellis might be the top pitcher on the list. Because he he's got that much upside it's. You can't go to part celestial easier to compare if park didn't pitch in double -- this year. Well if I could have toward the end of the year but it it Webster. Are same age you western side out of high school part so that a college. They're both right handers that he -- -- is stuff wise. The -- -- had a Webster is. I actually -- fastball command is better and to. He is locked up -- up and speedster -- walk numbers I just think it's more out of this stuff like that Webster's got a more well rounded repertoire his changeup is definitely better than Barnes is. I think his slider. Did in his slider -- -- curve but got some -- has been the best of those pitches in the system I think western has a more consistent. Slider it embarked does occur to Dubai as Santo -- -- timeout little volatile triple -- his first full professional season. And it's I think you're you're excused you can just inexperience and fatigue. A late the year it which he did he get it toward the end of the year. But I guess when it came down to it having UK's it's gonna compare apples to apples. You know Wes has been a pro ball for five years now he walks sixty or seventy guys this year in double play I just that the fastball command will make the difference for me like I said I mean you could easily sit there and make the same argument. That you know Webster's got deeper repertoire. And being out he's got more weapons to work with the bar. Well and you know what the other parts that interest in about Webster it actually. You know just on a personal on a personal basis from what I've heard about the two of them I might have Webster a little bit ahead of Barnes. And you know obviously some of the people that you've been talking to feel. Feel that way others don't buy dot. You know just don't the raw stuff is is I think I think the consensus is the raw stuff is is better from -- have been in this for Barnes. Partly because it just everything moves everything moves a ton. With Webster he's a guy who throws. Who gets a ton of ground balls off his fastball because you know it's a sinking you know it's a sinking fastball that he can throw 9497. Miles an hour. I had as his former pitching coach had died double A it told me that he was convinced that his walk numbers were going to go down. As he moved up the latter because he was in part because he's going to learn to harness that two seamer. Learn a little bit more about commanding it in he thought that that would mean -- ERA was going to go down because he -- ground balls. Did people you'd have good defenders behind him. In order to gobble them up in that he was going to learn you know how to better how to better either -- give either stay -- the strikes -- give the illusion of staying in the strike zone. That is going to lend itself to. Two it's a lower walk rates for whatever that's worth so. Today that I do think it's that light on the fastball. Is both a blessing and a curse at times and it makes it very hard in the breaks bats. At the same time if they make -- and they get better hitters. You know -- and I think sometimes when you're facing lesser hitters. They don't ability do the pitch they just take it apart cult of the ball you know where's that actually cater to leave peavy looked more like if this case -- -- clearly -- that it's going to be strike. To a basically -- than it does to a double a guy out there at times early -- I don't like guys are still match but it pitched don't swing yet. Right yeah a -- -- sinker ball pitchers I think to win of the different most difficult guys about and to make statistical projections. When they're in the minors because. You can't really account for the for the crappy ness of the field or the defenders behind them and there are a lot of times and they're really crappy defender is behind sinker ball pitches in the minors to ignore certain nor for the relative inexperience of of hitters or for that matter catchers trying to react to these things like if you talk to -- Jason Varitek. About his early career he said that his first pro season he was paired with Derek Lowe in. I think it was port city years some Seattle affiliate and he was like. I I had no idea with the sinker thing he was that Derek Lowe kept throwing himself you know most of my most of my teams were catching him. I just you know I just had to be ready to turn to the backstop and right after the ball. Because I had no idea how to Correll something that moved like that. I think umpires have trouble columnist pitches for strikes to sometimes heated. Two years -- that that's not very fair and you know like you said we can guy I want back and forth on this -- size and but the one thing that was constantly -- Greg talked to anybody outside the Red Sox organization talked about well Webster. Nobody could believe. That the Red Sox traded the contracts page created. And got -- Webster rebbe Delores and injuries and as the third player. As it is they were amazed I'm not sure because you don't story on this team -- bad people just chicken head you know -- Boston get that talent back. When they unloaded 261 million dollars with the Contra. Yeah and I think that Della -- probably would have been in that I'm guessing would have been in that same in that same day and a pitcher is Matt Barnes Webster Owens. Grouping that you have a 325 just based on you know a guy who's capable of living at the high ninety's is a starter with. With that with a couple of -- with a couple secondary pitches that gets swings and misses. That's what we do it then that dictate if that's your original question to the reason I don't quite get the other two you are. And I -- passing them down the road that they can -- his feelings pretty intriguing. He doesn't throw as hard. And I don't expect us open is a little bit last speak to get such deceptive angle of playing these. He's a long way and he's very tough on lefties he's got. Very good feel for his changeup and breaking ball further for a guided into don't want until -- the season. We can KG -- is a curve in the high sixties here. More -- keep pitching that low eighties and he can can really mess with you and it still -- -- a little bit. But for a guy is -- had a long and gangly young he repeats his delivery pretty well he's pretty athletic. Yeah he is he's a fascinating one who you know it's kind of wait and see what happens at the upper levels because you know he is so young and guys who were in single -- against him had never had probably never seen anything like the six foot seven left hander. Who's able to do these different things with you know with just manipulating the baseball which is -- of the things that makes and so entry in just this kind of precocious feel that he has for up for pitching. They -- a few -- that reason they got and it was picked in the draft I think. Is this philosophy really did not pick up a lat bit from his junior year to his senior year and it didn't go to -- -- about an article pitching too risky and I think. You when you're gonna take a guy early in the drafting given the seven figure deal. B you'd like to see the -- making progress or toward getting better. I think there was a lot of feeling among a lot of area scout in Southern California where he pitched high school less. Don't need this guy is -- project I don't know he's gonna throw -- -- you know he's tall skinny piece -- project double. Pity he's still way key. He cannot throw a lot harder but again he doesn't need to that that's now what he's about you know I think his fastball. Maybe you'll have anyway it would also done. It might be average fastball plus changeup average breaking ball. Glad that he can just really -- well has its great -- what they all play up. -- you've had Blake swipe card next did -- -- number six it was the catcher for a lot of Owens is outings in Greenville. I had a hard time wrapping my head around -- -- season because. It's his first pro season so you don't give you don't you don't go overboard and reacting to. What he posted but at the same time he was also twenty years old so little bit older than your typical. High school first round pick in that first season of pro ball. In its in. The end of your stat line wasn't outrageous. You know in there were there were periods there were promising I think that he had his best month of the season. In August to finish up where he hit you know above 300 he started getting some walks and you probably had no PS in the in the mid eight hundreds to 900 ish range -- in that last stretch of the season but. I hadn't I'd I don't know what to make a -- why -- at this point. In his up for national career I've heard that he's very athletic in that there's a ton of talent in their played based on on the performance this year I don't know. If anyone can say with any certainty how to protect him what's your feeling on him. And I think that's fair and dad -- you -- guys that I so I don't don't have a little guy trials aren't away. I might get a high guy. I'm -- -- heart and Ellis you know I guess I'd guess more a -- field put in it six like I'm better on the upside there. I gave him you know and we'll see whether it was great to -- -- I kind of gave him. L credit the right word but like -- hit a lot to deal with this year you know he's coming from New Mexico bicycle competition. Too low class a that's huge you know he's got that really caught a whole lot he's become a full time catcher. It was some some good arms on the greens don't seem to handle right -- that that was pretty tough to immediately steered the got off to a terrible start first six weeks and and complete a lot better after that and I -- LA update I'm not saying he's going to be this guy. But if you're looking at it from the tools standpoint. Yeah and again I'm not trying to claim that this guy might be the best play baseball if you factor everything Italy accomplished that. Guy he's gut Buster Posey tool if he he's got athletic type catcher I think the bad. Is that promising -- mean he's he studies to be very good hitter from both sides of the plate. But I don't -- it got work to do he's got you know they got to control the strike zone better. He's got a -- to tap into his power better he's got a lot of work to do behind the plate. If so I guess I gave -- credit for making progress while realizing you know he's still have a long ways to get. If he doesn't stay catcher where where he would he be up -- would he be a top tier prospect. Our. Well if you want to pick if I did -- to catch. I wouldn't do it right now based on the year he just had. On the flip side that I would suggest that if you had a car this year. Reminded us form a lot better the yes -- do a bit different there will be. It's not like these guys were he can't catch -- to place first. I mean I think he can play third inning they are gonna get a -- Connecticut set to take place surge is against the -- closer to normal middle -- there. You have kerosene -- yeah we haven't talked about ticket requests -- that -- the loss to -- third. The Sammy you're gonna have a number of guys -- third base anyway -- I don't think again to put him in there on out till quarter. And I can't think that the about potentially. Eight is good enough to be you know back to the -- as it is. So since you mentioned -- he's a guy who who showed the ability to hit for average. Get on base skills and weird lead stole 51 bases despite the fact that. You know he was probably viewed as someone who would. And turned to professional baseball with with perhaps below average speed after he had ACL surgery. I'm tired in in his draft year. -- to your mind what what is he is he a guy who's going to be kind of gap to gap doubles hitting a high average high on base percentage third baseman. Yeah I'd say it's funny case he's got a lot loved yeah I looked at -- that would I was to -- Stephanie Bali in any torque I'd. I really felt like -- like out if he didn't care at the Seattle. It would have been a first round today I -- this -- brother was this year yet anyway and it's -- that broader kind of different players which I mean I guess is it weird bit. They don't they can't just got -- Q what were the best battle of the draft that year that's up again you know. He'd be hard to do what they -- -- to keep electric one point three million the fourth round did you want three in the fourth round. -- dictate and this -- first round pick in Connecticut got its first year pro ball in 2011. And has played really well at Lowell for about a month indicated. By pitch and it breaks his wrist in the any doubts about year. It's indicative of the type of guy he is I mean I do think the stats are misleading like it was to be usable rabbit trying to educate future vision speed from on the first. People average statistics -- tremendously I I don't really think the big league level he's more than like it and maybe fifteen to steal epic. It's kinda like on. Helped Royals steal bases more it is. They are and it pitched two already in those seeking naked against the -- -- played educated get those kind of instinct but I keep thinking that they. I think there's more power than that for a brunt he created it 38 doubles. It is what his first full year he -- tremendously gifted hitter who really knows displayed as what he's doing up there I think it's just a matter of maybe just in his -- and get his hands a little bit better -- In his swing but I can see this guy like you said is that there's applause hitter for average with that would get on base percentage and maybe average power. To be solid third baseman again that we have another guy is the basic you know at third base and probably doesn't have enough room there. And I could see him at his peak at some power speed at corner outfielder I can also see him. You know possibly. I thought I don't think it and I can't be that kind of a Dustin Pedroia type player they need you know put him at second base. You know that depending on what he's read the big leagues and what dust and two and then. But tapped it yet I've always liked this guy that was kinda it was kind of neat to see him finally healthy for the first time three years to him he can really do. He's I think it's hilarious that does that he is that number seven because I think that he's been listed at number seven. In every prospect evaluation of the Red Sox system not just yours to -- number seven last year as well and I had a. That right but I -- I swear that it every projection it's ever been done about the Red Sox. Top ten since he turned pro he's been number seven minute. I elevated aware that I haven't numbers seven to three years I've got to mix it up a little bit extra -- Yards but it -- remind you don't want those guys we're we're people like accurate together he really hasn't played bad really like the bat and I think he. -- it set -- -- I think it's steals. Are much higher than the we have direct expect but I also think the homers and lowered that to -- is going to be more power. Yeah and it is interesting when a guy gets 51 steals based on instincts just because it gives you a sense for. His his ability to just you know to just turn himself into a good player. And to address you know it gives you sense that. If you identify potential there deficiency in his game there's a pretty good chance that he understands what that deficiency is and he's going to figure out ways in order to try to address it. -- both his parents are on the coaching staff. To basically play that you bar high school which -- most successful icicles Louisiana it is you mentioned. His brother I don't think it's quite the offensive upside -- -- to play shortstop was the twelfth overall taken issues draft. By the nets I mean mediated peace of family and it's very apparent. Let's see you had -- price -- at number eight I think that you know that. You know he's he's a guy who I think showed interest in strides in terms of his on base ability this year. And he had a pretty good walk rate in Portland. The power numbers weren't the same as what they were a year ago when he hit thirty bombs in like 95 games. Between now between the two levels of a ball but still. How far away do you think -- and how close do you think he is to being on that you know by virtue of the fact that he showed some some power. And he's and he made -- to AAA at the end of his side at the end of of this past year some people CO a middle Brooks this. Path for him including his manager in Pawtucket -- Baylor. How far do you think princes from being a major leaguer. I had to keep Chinese it would -- most of a full year in triple play in outside. I like it immediately -- really want decreases Pataki elected their first action policies in 1984 he was tremendous and it. In internationally play around. Good -- impressive bit of trivia. Like he delegates picked up what you're you're you're right the Red Sox top ten and so I'd expect that but that was -- Ryder Cup weighs heavily don't -- discount post season performance. They're very -- and got the distinct he's having I think he's more of a guy. -- -- -- -- going to be a solid big leaguers dad and -- star you know I don't see initially that perennial all star. But I can see it the type -- guy who hits you know to seven years. It draws some walks. You hit 20/20 five homers. And I had the army want to right field you want to think -- -- this year Q. You talked about kind of saw it out depleted get that deep offensively also he. He's always had you know he showed off a pretty good army as a pitcher and he's got penalized all the pitchers major colleges to start. And -- -- -- tremendous RB also had a tendency to like basically make every road in first eight years you've played under 62 games in the minors. It's what -- Bears to basically he would try to make every throw anywhere else summer. We'll get the guy at first base. I'll try -- say -- -- settled down on that team you know he's still. You know I had anybody you know -- we do our best closer days in my Alexander's -- rating is is the best arm in the Eastern League. It's an assistant state having games and really cut down on -- -- I think he I think disappear or ticket numbers weren't spectacular last year. But it kind of slowed the game down a little bit but offensively defensively which which -- what what turned out to see him you know I think a lot depends too. I mean maybe -- better sense and I do mean we -- which -- -- -- -- -- they get to see. In 2000 dedicated it to be contenders going to be the team that was a terrible for the last month as the 2011 in a lot of 2012 and if they go through another bad year. And -- -- well triple play. And then maybe he gets a look at a regular. Right so they might have -- when Iglesias to do -- -- this past year. Really it's very contention then I think it's more the case well you'll see that are dependent you know I think the expectation is to Cody Ross will be back. You know -- I would had that thought -- -- the I think did I think that the more likely internal guy for them at the start next year. Was no longer prospect tell expo beat English. Ray didn't put trust it and come back that it deprived little immediate regulations in eighty pictures and two and yeah he's -- -- You're outside the organization to find a starter elsewhere. They hit -- it together so I think it's -- come down to the media if they're contending they'd try to get a shot but they're still trying to get back to contention. And they performed well the first educate even the cap Baghdad get -- Corvette a 2014. Type of guy really -- that the guys didn't do much action that it. Right now a guy who's up forty man eligible her brother who has been placed on the forty man to protecting them from the rule five after the 2013. Season. So they don't have to Russian and was an option right. And let's see so getting back to Iglesias you had him at number nine in first round pick DeVon Marrero at number ten votes short stops. Why was Iglesias had ever -- and before you answer wanna throw on the side of this small tidbit Moreira had more walks in his in this short season. In his short season and lol and Iglesias has ever had a full season. Why they're together it's. I look back and forth -- ballot again it's. It's almost. I swear Alex just well at bars the -- is that they double doubles comparisons are almost tougher as. He's good and you do it -- -- -- like about comparing. Police for -- Henry Owens. They don't pitcher's catcher you know it's it's different types of things said it kind of deal what you're trying to -- the big picture was short steps you can break -- battle for tool. The guys that -- now what would equate it to Herrera. They'll think I'm not shockingly here it would might not -- these two guys you know typically -- as a potential weak defender. With a highly suspect that Angela Cabrera. As a potential good defender. -- is a potential. I guess -- Soledad I mean he's not available to the Red Sox. Ed number 44. If he goes out and hit what people thought he might gators honestly PK that used it to number one overall pick. -- -- back and forth and those two. And I say you know what they get that kind of keep their value is similar you know flu -- if we're if -- -- well send -- if -- better -- wind above replacement. You know luckily he is gonna get more on defense in in Guerrero is gonna have more offense and had. I I don't medically peace is ever gonna hit it he might hit for a little bit average at tickets could be had to go to I don't think he's gonna -- much. I don't think there's gonna be much power right I think you prayer I battled Perez gonna be 300 hitter. Yeah -- Guerrero might get a little bit more average but I didn't think he's got more disciplined -- to walk a hundred times but he's gonna walk what typically -- is. And I think he's got a chance to maybe hit ten homers. He's in now that said. Those red carded a little -- -- with guys signing earlier. -- got a role. And it's reached 48 that would have been a little bit more jazzed about the offensive upside. But you know he had -- -- spring he had an -- summer. Sort of added a carriers have ever heard such process decades. I thought they aren't the same question -- to people the Red Sox for officer outside you feel like you know you have to expect these two guys that socialistic position in. It got there is such front office seems simple who used to work like I just get a lead to describe physically is decent -- did you now. I respect these two guys up and I think that's the sum of all the part is that he's pretty much the same on both these guys. They develop -- on the elite people and I get -- basically he is his defense easily act as sick I was talking to go to ever watched in. -- you'll put constant -- I want to Erik cook was pitching for the Red Sox in September there's come back here. That they should've been a routine -- 63 double play there because basically -- what is Baker's. And I vaguely decent seat. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Condit stepped on the bag for the first in Italy preteen and and I can -- it's. The other side particularly compare these guys I I don't have they got -- league seasons he sent right to prevent Cabrera ahead of him. That's a coincidence that these kids and missed and I don't think that Tedy -- is -- at -- it. But I have to say it's not like that a lot can -- his defense is a lot I can go back and forth from those guys. Back and forth back and forth -- -- -- -- elected to the defense a -- his defense is Fisher's thing it if Guerrero it's a little bit less than expected. -- places -- -- more valuable player. And zero point. I think that there is a a possibility that the Iglesias is defense have to like he graces is glove. Maybe. But. And there are very few people in in the Red Sox organization who literally made people watch everything they do. And Iglesias standing around taking ground errors during BP. Is one of those things that is so impressive and so unlike. Anything that people who have seen baseball for a long time have seen before they stop and watch. Yet there they -- told me. Yeah -- that -- get amazed by the fourth -- he's been on the list you know news talked about and about talked about how fast and were in just watch and some of his jeans and September. That was I mean -- any. You know you always hear out cable -- skinny -- got to plug Trotter. Really think you're shortstop cities as if he's got an above average speed of his interest -- quickness Peterson quake. These amazing and I agree with that it is the type of thing where. I can think of update -- -- to -- Jose Iglesias on my fantasy team. AA placed into baseball I don't ultimately. It's gonna -- any -- the -- one of my real life team. I do I do think that he be greater appreciation. For for defense today the you know the big -- metric don't always agree with each other -- -- you people trying to measure defense you know we knew we would actual numbers. I I do think that helps his cause because I didn't think you -- played every day. That you be able to be okay you know this is how many Neal Ryan Fitzpatrick says he stated that this is you know how much is defense it was above replacement are. And -- I -- think you'll be a greater appreciation for him and it would have been ten years ago and it's. I thought -- just -- before bad belliard just get back to the 2004 World Series team. It was striking. At the beginning of the year but when Nomar Garciaparra sort of put your recent play shortstop pokey Reese is about tenure as a head this time. Because he could hit and they did a great defender but he could hit aspect and stabilize happen. And I just remember watch arrests have gained after Nomar came back and I can't tell you how it's unspecified Ella and not try to knock Nomar. Like also it's going to be like well let it's like it's Nomar yards -- isn't there anymore. And -- he's taken Jose Iglesias who want this -- to lock down. Like image abroad if you -- approach and Iglesias made double west side of the infield not to consider. An and I think there's a tremendous value that it makes you tired pitched step better and us that that the Vegas with the bat. Especially if you have a ground ball oriented pitching staff although that's something that the Red Sox really haven't featured matchup in recent years. Yes so circulating that they're Devin rambling about him I can -- Take it up that I can -- -- guys a valuable big leaguer just second instill it. And use mentioned that it did you kind of focus a lot on who goes in at ten. In this case was it a great was it that you know it was saw the age of having Gracie is Marie -- his nine and ten was. Well it was kind of a a clear once you or was there anyone else who is jostling around for that number ten spot. Who you're like am I -- I should really think about and think about getting him in there. Yeah that's not so much as you can do like you said it was more politically his first -- murmurs as quickly he would sit there and yet there's this same position I think you're gonna be similar value. -- only -- to -- that that have been different ways that it wasn't the issue I guess it last year. I would almost go to places that it -- and I you know Leslie reject -- like Russia Jackie Bradley and in. The -- I guess I can't I felt pretty good about doing that a year later do these other guys did you suggest that means. I considered Great Britain. I can't believe if you want to argue hey -- only played a little hit to sixty there any did it to -- under with metal bat in the spring. You can make a case for Britain but let my next you guys -- where guys like Drake Britton. You Brandon -- Brandon Jacobs. Doing Anthony Renato Brian Johnson in the back groups and you know laid it up dead just -- I like -- there -- guests. Who's the guy who didn't make the top ten who you think has a chance to make a leap forward in terms of prospect ranking in the system someone like the Owens is of the world who went from eighteen to five. Who based on ceiling could really make a huge jump forward. -- on the other day about getting a couple different answers I think from a yeah I think if they were out of who was number two on the list. Two years ago and number four last year he'll drop it is you know fourteen or so. This year I think if he's healthy in -- and -- he -- spring training before strained his groin in justice stopped until -- directs us to get into a half million dollars. I think he's a rocket right back up this list and be in the discussion with the top pitching prospect in the system if you look at certain. Really young guys having two guys who barely played -- -- played the US but the -- it got to me intrigued me the most. And immediate because their shiny new present -- Is usually -- that the shortstop they they signed out of Taiwan -- -- -- play in the Gulf Coast League it is. Can really run indicated he might be. He might be the best all around shortstop they have -- pierce -- still politically he's got great defense and a question or bad. Perez got speed defense and potential solid that he can run a little bit. But the wind is faster runner than if those guys he might be better hitters near those guys need to be pretty good defender to say right that you grow interest in the east. The package plus tools as it is pretty interest. What is the way and then. Now outlook ahead -- guy -- -- -- Dempsey US set did and I thought it. I put the got the same courtesy in regards to what first set out Alexander Bogart's a couple of years ago Italy with the dominicans separately. Like like it was originally I got DI don't pray god and to make assembly in the list there's so far away -- -- -- -- competition and you have to deal transition to the US could -- it there's a -- -- -- a long ways in the majors. And when I was working on the list two years ago. I think I was talked into it in my case literally the product processing it you've got to think about and into -- our target list. He's -- stick out any start about it Bogart's. UCLA I want to do well on any realistic that you can see Adam on there you know down the road. And it was -- -- every guy talked about it about cart after that inside out for the organization and I took over the top and and I think. But I think in a book -- let a lot about the number thirteen there or something in the prostitute but he shot it way up the list right on the. It's an eye opening because as you certainly. Prior to that you had basically never put it. DSL guys on the list. I don't think Adam. Everett did because elements our team over and played in the UCL. Exactly how I -- then I have still got to deploy a lot of times you're you're really DKQ international signings he -- to keep. A better eye on them so it'll bring into the golf closely tied to have a number fourteen inning guy named. And I think guys tell me a Craig Shipley got used to have to have. Right and he picked up boat again and innovators such projections must suck it up not seeing those guys in the same. But I have a pocket of people that annual market in this center fielder -- -- -- -- this year he. Probably. Attracted did the most attention and they're very good idea sell players other than standard that I can remember I. I don't remember talk I don't think we did to prosecute -- Hitler Bears in the DSL -- we weren't Dolan that deep into the system -- that. But there really mean you have to be it was the most talked about guys in Italy. And in -- might be the most talked about guy behind those two in the last ten or twelve years he sees that. -- strong. Center fielder with a really did feel. With the bat he he's got somewhat restrained because an average talent he's -- defender he can raise it above average runner. If somebody very good combination the tools and instincts. Hey you guys I think he's gonna get a -- built its sixteen home runs next year that. Baby he probably intrigues me it really -- treat needed to guys too. Obviously a very far away and I added had a lot of history with the before this year to put those -- interest me a lot. -- obviously Varnado is here was derailed by injury as you pointed out he had a great spring training and then you know and then really kind of a lost season he's now. Up to pitch in Puerto Rico but he was number four entering the year but dropped out of the top ten. Him aside it was there a guy who based on performance alone. Really saw his years his prospect status run off the rails this year just based on performance. I don't. I don't think district that would at last year's list -- We're not Mexican big drop only to point out and that is the -- came back -- felt a 100% in I'd say just daily feature related I -- -- Jacobs did not it is well this year as he did last year. He I don't think -- ability is very suitable place to hit but I don't. I mean do I think his stock dipped a little bit as they dipped a little but I don't think it took a huge hit rate is still viewed and that's what am -- in my wrist is. Guys I mean the highest guy on last year's list you'll make pitchers list. That was true or is it corporate -- construed in stroke got hurt you know pick. Pretty good I think it sound like -- Kind of dictate what he's done it and had a great year last year it is it is kind of -- -- had a really turned the corner. And I'm looking down there's -- I mean not that good that it that it did -- that's a positive. Note that there. -- really -- it down to number nineteen. On last year's list of five again to the outside -- -- injury. In those other stock take a severe downturn and -- be honest. You know looking back at tragic too high give him credit for it you know possibly turning things around in any did you know it's I don't I don't -- -- -- So much took a downturn has -- -- failed to rise. People hooked. Yeah I know he is. I'm among all of the guys -- thought who've -- -- the system is one of the top overall draft picks. I think that he's the one who's who just hasn't flashed him in the last decade in a way that. In the anticipated way but it wasn't like the Red Sox were the only ones on -- so. They are people like him and I can't think. It at the -- the prom with and product could be. And I had a lot of team meal I thought people liked his first round pick -- so what people didn't think it was an infielder. You know lot of people thought he he's going to be announcing -- outfielder who can hit for average. It runs. Any immediate average power and draw some walks. But it's kind of -- on the and it it really limited field and say you want a little bit you know maybe he got in addition to me now it is playing Pretoria interpret. -- update you if a guy who had less to worry about defense simply David -- taken. Because you're right and he's. Not every technique it's -- at least it. Let's hear you deal Red Sox in particular had a lot of early takes -- invested money and -- -- -- -- it is very good start and in -- -- careers and if it'll become good big leaguers. You have to trade value and I guess the last guy before and who can really just never jackal was tied -- and play. Yeah other plays have an okay time in the GA CL before he went to Greenville and then his career went nowhere. Him. I guess let's see -- the last question I'll ask as you know is kind of a state of the system one -- You know again to my mind the Red Sox have a lot of performers. In this list and it wasn't pays so much on projection but overall how do you view the Red Sox system now vs -- spin. In the last few years. Well -- -- big bad trades and got it'd Patriot to keep Achilles in the reassess. But actually it's a fairly solid system that it it's funny it is -- talking to caveat -- striker so more detail let. I always feel like eight as much as I'd give this prospect stuff it's very hard to actually sit down a break out every system are you okay. These teams generate their tickets starting handbook. And it started disciplinary lists how we're gonna ranked teams are at least starting point. And it you know I I feel like I was some teams that -- -- systems like systems that do aside. And I think it battle that -- -- you become more cynical when you get older but -- have been doing that the baseball America from what twenty years now. Our system that impressed me and facilities here's where I haven't said gotta make my top prospect lists. But articulate and it'd even be a hundred guys that really like that is to we're we're starting New York started -- teams for the -- -- the -- It doesn't have to and copy down like the fourth player in -- list of like. This guy's not very cute that so anyway back to tell you exactly where I think the Red Sox so rank that I had never accurate -- understand that. I can think to -- system do you think. Direct sexy should be heartened by the way she pitches a couple times I generally thought of it that way I haven't looked at it is being a couple. Are -- list -- a list with a lot of performance Alex try to. Balanced it Q it's ironic at all here for people like -- are you guys care about his tools and and -- -- likely I had to work ethic for three or four years settle I don't think that's quite true this. -- -- elite eight we have an -- access to all these you know -- numbers in split and everything in and beat people get it to mean nobody just Wichita holes I think without said that. I think that the big point that out which -- which I have really noticed about the guys in the top 101. Out and had very good performances. Mean did you feel even better DK yeah I think those guys also has the best tools in the system to. And what I like about the Red Sox I think this is the way to approach building systems and actually hit on every guy other top ten of their top thirty that they continue. Even -- the world has changed to be aggressive internationally -- -- they -- -- would win before his bonus would apply to the two point nine million dollar that it. They they got Simon Mercedes. Another early entry is staying international guy they signed this year you want these guys he's been through numerous identities separate dates did. -- got through it and he throws real hard and they were aggressive in the trap -- -- an extra two extra day off Papelbon and they'd they'd move money around the site I don't truthful which in millions. The Red Sox golf course feeling and I think eradicate. I think I'd describe this actually is -- nobody ever to hit on all their guys. But if you go out and you go laughter and you get a bunch of high ceiling guys. Because you get -- -- it'd be pretty give any of the other top -- I've gotten originally an embargo we talked about it the Briton Jacobs or not though -- Johnson group and I mean. They've got a catcher Christian Vasquez his -- catching prospect ever. Another real intriguing guy -- -- that could be greater he could not get out of double A stated it is PG AC Alfred -- spot some lumps and tell us yeah you know. It doesn't just touch it would mean we talked about it this guy it touches a hundred LA and that's where. It was PGA I've got 8800 honorary don't want to question mark process hit a hundred. Three or four times a game in DG CLE. Give me any clue Byron Buxton who is the best player -- -- -- -- number two overall pick between just pulled away on three pitches. In instructional in 98 extremely raw. But having it there's changeup CIA all the other reference Rosemont costs before this year. And it -- you make your hardest and maybe he won't. Hundred miles an hour to work with there and I -- think they they've got a ton of ceiling is that advocates say you do the rest such that is sure it was a disaster. -- they have you know they're pretty much as much financial resources by anybody that the Yankees. Go out they can afford free agency to plug holes that way and they can continue to do what they're doing it this -- they they can they can name for the stars. And we got guys you -- dig in and that's saying is that I know. -- Beijing Gonzales there I didn't necessarily and the and it -- was getting and that's prepped at your head out to be like going out and getting Casey Kelly. Three million dollars but if they riddled the sixth round -- over slot and I think egregiously -- -- I've been aggressive with him to eleven Raymond Floyd is another first round pick -- the Daytona detonating it off like a people's bodies. Can we what your bottom line judging a team's draft you know the idealistic utility out guys perform in the -- -- the Iraq it's been. Yeah all the -- these -- -- that sets in and be honest at this point it really doesn't matter is key to -- it turned out to be worth three million dollars. The Red Sox invested in particular result you know becomes a star. Because the Red Sox got great value for those guys beginning needing Gonzales when they did it and it didn't work out. But united -- our state they traded. -- -- -- -- -- to Brian Price and number Satele in masters in -- how well it takes to get Victor Martinez. And that helped to make the playoffs and a lot of things -- at the rule change now. Bloodied beyond the unknown where little -- stable heights. Let's add up to a winning last Victor Martinez as a free agent inaudible Matt Barnes and Perry Ellis is too drastic -- Yeah that that's pretty -- and -- -- -- those guys over and he returned -- to market back over a bit better prospects in the got a -- for himself. I think persistent tickets shapes. I don't think. -- I don't look especially a lot of guys who can make major impact next year basically just like is starting shortstop don't afforded he could beat Josh Fields and outs -- hospitable and and next lady you're Bogart's Bradley Webster Barnes. Apprentice work and didn't understand a number of guys in double AAA. -- -- -- -- -- -- Guys where at least late 2003 time. But that they have hated him but they have guys further to the system there I don't huh that's got -- -- there's it was so bad last year. That in years past in May have to put together packages to -- we got to go help supplement the team. And if there weren't enamored last year but the that you -- assistant price has more. Neatly on the -- tell that you like count in 2013 2014. And I have had the last couple years yet they get we would -- really talk about guys in in low AR I the last two years -- stiff it is. Right well Jim Kallis baseball America the only man who doesn't tell us who doesn't get exhausted by me so I am mentally grateful both for your. General offer for both your general compartment and for the immense amount of wisdom that you that you bring to this undertaking obviously. You know again the Red Sox top ten now prospects are being are are running right now on baseball America you concede -- Hudgens scouting Tom nails on all on all ten of the guys we've been talking about although we've. Whereas those of a -- so I think that we've just so we've just drawn in a couple of hands on each of them so. Yeah thank you so much for joining Jim oysters talkative. -- always sought out yet as you know I can talk about this stuff all day they'll have to. Yeah we're a diabolical combination that would hamstring but thank -- for doing it.