Oct 25, 2012|
ESPNBoston.com Red Sox reporter Gordon Edes joined D&C to discuss the Sox hiring of John Farrell and if he is the anti-Valentine. Gordon gives his reaction to Bobby Valentine’s interview with Bob Costas and discusses what Bobby Valentine’s role in the Sox downfall was, how was it possible ownership didn’t see the Valentine we saw all season when they interviewed him, and who he’ll take down next. He also chats about why Bobby V feels like he needs to lie all the time, will Ortiz get his rumored 2-year contract, what would Ortiz get on the open market, and when will he respond to Valentine.
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Sort of a delayed start to our number 3-D NC dale Arnold and for John Dennis Gerry Callahan is here -- -- is here. Talk a little baseball right now in joining us from ESPN boston.com. Is a -- take Bordeaux how aria. How do well -- a good time. I'm not too much and try to figure out. What Bobby Valentine's end game is 'cause I can't figure out what the hell he's trying to do here. Eighty do you think there may be just a little bit of Bobby critiques that are sitting in on yawkey way you -- -- -- yesterday. My colleague Joseph McDonald because sounded off about twenty well. It it's incredible to me that that Bobby was able to upstaged. John Farrell estate but maybe I should have been surprised you know. I said the a little while ago Gordon that the there in the Red Sox brass the owners had a mixed emotions. After the at the end of the day because stayed in weren't happy that Bobby V did that interview on that day. To upstage them Farrell but in the end you look at that and Valentine you look at a -- sing god thank god we made this switch thank god we made this change because. I could put what you saw from Farrell was like the anti Valentine and the antidote to what Valentine brought to this team for year. Yeah it and I think that's why you're hearing such across supported who's yet -- from the players. Who already. Spoken out publicly about about Terrell higher. Here they he. Had so many of the self created dramas. Why -- kind of goes simply wont exist. Next year and will that translate into more weight well. It certainly get a translated to more than 69 and again you know it's very typical. Thing you know I think people think. Where and when you criticize Bobby you're seen as it was last season was all its all I don't think anybody's saying -- But the reality is. What he ate a -- that kind contributing factor in that -- and spin out of control council. Right in the -- in this sixty nines important because you know if they didn't bring him -- that if they brought in and brought in Gene Lamont her. Or repeat smack it in all -- -- and they'll sway him. They wouldn't have won the world there wouldn't be in the World Series right now Gordon but there's no way they would have gone 69 in 93 there's no way they would no one. In a 78 games him and he was a disaster and we have to remember that day I got asked this though dale. -- asked this question a little while ago we watch that interview with Kostis. And we of the cement then they. Sat with that guy less than a year ago Gordon and said he's the answer here he's our guy how how is that possible. What is it and that's that's what's amazing and -- -- -- -- Lucchino said about. John -- Tuesday the exact words. A yard Henry said about Bobby Valentine last December you know the right guy at the right time for the right job. Any turned out to be anything but in in. -- would you please say how is it possible to use sat down with we've we've Bobby. I mean he can he can be -- persuade him to be very charming. You you think about he about the reputation of him being this baseball sabaya. You know as -- -- I've got -- strategic at all between instructors said it you buy into all of that. In it you say well you know we need to change -- culture here -- -- after the disaster of of September 2011. And then and you ignore all red flag and everybody else was putting up about disguised -- -- accepted you know. Theres a reason that. I think well part in these other places you know it is in hindsight I'm wondering what Steve Phillips the Mets general manager. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Last year when talking about when -- went big disintegrated in New York. You know no -- and when I see in and I thought it was pretty noticeable that he didn't mention things to Jerry and -- -- interview when he was when he was lately outrage to the orders and all that not not to mention. -- -- -- I think yeah after I read your colleague John McDonald's piece on ESPN boston.com with Tim Bogart I said on the air today I started out the the show by saying I think Coyotes -- Bogart and apology. Because I bought some of the stuff Bobby Valentine was selling. I I bought the fact that there were coaches undermining him I thought Tim Bogart was one of them and after I read Bogart's -- I believe him and not Bobby Valentine. You're in and I suspect he'll -- at that Bogart view that kinda guy ears. Held aspire arm on a lot of this you know that he could have gone into. Chapter and verse -- immediate. They'd get so much more camping. Accusation but if you wanna play that game in in. I didn't chuck spotted you guys said that it really started. Almost from the first week of spring training you know this whole abuse this incident and then Bobby being. Almost walking and that cost this interview that the players would come in and talk to about it -- saying hey you know you're in it I'm gonna try it. To create some kind of report with this group. You know this is a chance for me to build some trucks and all and it and it's sometimes you went exactly the opposite route. But you know I also have a sense that that body you know details from the -- our commitment from Bobby I I suspect. That he probably has. More targets in mind that you like to what I could take out and the I don't think he's gonna go quietly into the night. Now and hasn't yet but thanks to people like you Gordon in the fact checking age can we now know the guys. That we we went through a litany of lies in the Kostis and if you won fifteen minute interview. And there or you know doesn't while -- and and people like you were just getting online look and an up and said what do you know there was no seat cushion night. He didn't make it didn't make free -- they didn't throw seat cushions -- he just made up possible could just throw seat cushion actually on -- feel for -- ten rows back topics or. I. Sure he could beat -- if you -- look like it's been a but it -- you know I can't be -- -- -- I called a buddy of mine that -- you know if you go back in your archives in. In a game that they needed to -- Bobby made entry or exit and not. Sure happy you know he sent -- this story and it is Cyril mentioned and here not been. Events -- -- think like he did that to. But I think like -- -- leaping. Envelopes and I think. Same story he told last November -- pitino at the winter meetings went what you first. When he was hurt why -- we don't -- -- people told -- be eating. A story in any technical caught on August got like three double there -- -- We think will make up Jon Farrell's coaching staff here we believed Torre look below is likely going to be the bench coach. How -- the rest of the staff play out here. -- total bull will be the bench coach that's that's. Mean I haven't officially announce that bad but bad as being confirmed our -- and in the bullets -- choice. Was in this organization -- our pocket you know young energetic. -- will be good man. The pitching coach courses it's going to be that big higher here and and it will be interesting. Because obviously those expertise is it pitching. You know whether he would go getting guy. I'm who has his own theory definite ideas and programs like a Rick Peterson who worked wonders with that Baltimore pitching staff. As a minor league pitching coordinator this year or whether he'll he'll. Promote a guy like -- support from pot pot pocket who I think would. I'd be -- 88 could chemistry. Beat great players and sell -- and -- so I used to the pitching program. In addition. -- -- -- Skulls. So. You know debate coaches and and you know that this again the funny thing is I think. I think coaches play an important role I I do think that they're big guys who who do -- somebody domestic. From the manager and can actors go that -- in which great hitting coach -- -- it -- -- they locks. I think he probably had a good relationship I know he had a good relationship with Maryland and and and would have been a good fit here. You'll be great they could bring back chili Davis and they had a Pawtucket did a terrific job. I would Oakland. This year is -- -- but I don't see that happening so. You know and not any names that circus yet and I would think within a week or so that can't -- to beat. I don't know him well and it's. Briefly and I'll I'll get out of the way here is Brian Butterfield going to be among them because I think he'd walk here. Yet it. Check so he could go to that Patriot games more easily it's September exactly -- easy you know taxpayer. -- field I -- great reputation. It wouldn't shock me at all he can't get a tryout gave permission to all of their coaches. To look elsewhere. Louis regard -- feel coach is another possibility so yeah I would expect he'll still be guys from from my trial in addition to the book that has girlfriends were who. What is the next order of business for Jarrett and is it David Ortiz will there be a two year deal for Ortiz. In in the works here any day and a. Yeah I was told that the two years have been agreed on already really yet while that's that's that's happening. For that kind of for the didn't have the -- kind of money like 121415. Million per year. Yeah I you know I think -- Ortiz would like. In the neighborhood of two years 25 million I think in the end it deal will be left and because. While while David will will benefit from the from the security of having a second year. He also should be realistic I think that that he wouldn't yet. Those kind of dollars on the open market. But remember it if he if he gets it they had to make a qualifying offer them. It would be in the NATO would've of of justice thirteen million. For next season so your acting on another another year. In and you -- the average is going to be somewhere. I would I would imagine will be paired somewhere in the eleven million dollar range and eleven million dollar range in the end. In -- you know when when you think of the parade of players guys that get Ortiz has seen coming into this. Mark and get paid mega bucks did not deliver on that money. I really don't have a problem with them aren't taking a you're taking a risk that they could they help the for two years. It in this community it's almost. You know I think credit spreading out of all a million dollar a year older. Over the over the -- -- career. Lord what -- -- if you walk the walk will -- the market price you wouldn't get anywhere anywhere close to. -- -- I think he would get a two year deal somewhere I think somebody who might give him two years but at Wal-Mart. -- mean he is page you probably look and it kind of like Eddie Guerrero mark you know 89 million dollars. So open you know Ortiz as -- That it came to this market this club out I think transcends the market where I really do. We could have done Gordon though with you know one year with a vesting option something it. And I went there weights around are always around it. Yeah I think that probably would be the optimum way of approaching your eight a a year would have casting. Because sending that team gets some protection. Aren't true but you know people -- going to be fun writing pieces. Professional obituary -- for the last three Warriors you know every time we ought to brutal start. You know that the that narrative was that did he finally you know it's not too old trick repeat a productive player well. You know you look at -- American leagues separate and and you look at the year he would have been. This past season. Where he was on a pace first -- -- and that's what -- up and you know it there's no reason to suggest. That he couldn't continue to put some pretty good numbers in in two years and in today's environment. Yeah I mean. C'mon guys it -- that could come close to say the five years the Yankees are still on the vote for Iraq. When is David Ortiz gonna respond to what Bobby Valentine said -- Bob Costas. Are you know you know he's got to be just -- and at the bit to do so I think our. That night the interview I'm sure we weren't the only ones who reached out to David in and it was hard Kucera. I think his agent who responded it and I think. Part of that guy just because they're in such great sight to this stage of negotiations. But. I suspect once David gets his contract until -- have a few anxious it in the guitar part of -- And this is set -- -- at least publicly. Was one of Bobby's strong supporters here. You know even at the end of the -- and you think you know you can't put the Bobby can't put somebody. In the end and then for four. Proud -- suggest he -- I mean it argued that he would steal money you know. City shut it down in in when he could have played that's beyond money and and that's that's a pretty stronger -- -- -- -- I've before the -- go Gordon in like thirty seconds who -- first right. -- short who's -- forced out of this than who's catching who's. You're hitting coach look at Hoosier pretty good and the clock begins now go. Yeah that is that we're. I can't see them. Committing only to OJ glaciers which sort I think you're gonna have to bring in. At least a strong backup in case -- glitzy swing just doesn't work I I think he gets -- First baseman and your -- is as good as mine right now I mean maybe go on like Napoli and and and have him play. -- Outfield you know to -- -- recording is going to be back armed armed. Pretty certain of that. It may be out of the question is whether or not you move Ellsbury I don't think you Duke because he's -- -- isn't great right now -- that -- -- trading deadline deal. Depending on where it came. -- I think it's not -- So spoke so highly. By John Lackey clearly he's not going anywhere in any Scott can be like. Pariah. To pick Peter to -- the next week which -- Which is quite trying to add a note say this interest certainly I don't think ought to altering impact and he incumbent. I think he's come back. Our -- they held on a whole nation that you come and -- they held on home dale when they -- -- kicked him out the door and they should've been should've kicked him out the door but he's got value. They think he still has the value in in his versatility is rare and I think. They think. With a different manager and coaching out there Gary you're gonna be able to all of that not Venus in India and -- It was the one guy who had me feeling sorry for Bobby Valentine and. We're good I mean obviously you know what. Some that think it is obvious that where absolutely he on the Palin and unacceptable but I think they believe that he can be -- in and India. A strong part. They -- called for. Well and the Ortiz deal what's going to be announced since you give us all the details. Yeah I you know there was some hope that it would be done finally. In the because that's not the World Series it would be carried over the next week. But it's not gonna goal. Beyond this month in in my view I it could it could happen any game. Gordon we always appreciate the time I don't think there is an offseason for you this winter and baseball you'll be covering the stuff ball winner along. Yeah it should be a good accurate children thanks Gordon. Arctic -- -- a scored needs from ESPN boston.com you know. David Ortiz he he might lash out at Bobby -- the elegy and you probably right might have a real real problem Bobby what Valentine said. He should cinema thank you -- should send them right in blue monogram because one of the reasons they're buckling and pay him twice would get on the open market. Is they need to do something right now right they need a good feel good moment to. The start that the process itself ushering in the Farrell era. And you know he's a good clubhouse guy good community guy all that stuff which other teams don't give a damn about -- look at -- -- a DH is 37 and as a bad wheel. Don't think any team would come close to 2220. He'd be crazy you print and I heard both you guys in your ball right. Problem I care. I mean they've got lots of money to spend I don't care they ended on him. And you know what if he breaks out breaks down setting upon him money but that I made that argument -- David Ortiz and in 22000900. Relative you talk about overpaying. Because -- -- And I don't understand the problem. Because this is a new era and bought venture to say they're gonna -- -- -- that -- not disciplined. Wife -- and perform. Yeah well yet didn't perform the second half of the she's 37 with -- Achilles injury what are your realistic option that is the way to ago. Why didn't why because you because it's state you know wide open -- you -- have to know Nelson well. -- don't get used to it because you don't have to now because it's the right thing to do a lot of things right right thing to do got a relatives I don't have a problem when it. Because she just because Belichick not one that sent the match because he's as good as that and there is that bloody guy that's why you pay him more than any -- that the double right and what goes to let us ever go. That I'm glad I've got no hard and that's the right thing to do over the knock the door I going to Gordon I didn't understand it and I don't under -- with him there. He'd be he'd been gone from means that day he took that that that -- from the pitchers out of the dugout and went my way of Cambridge Almeida on that day. Maybe they were looking at the sand I don't blame them Bobby -- to do that to Bobby V to -- and really isn't a whole new. Image your perception of a save us because everyone in here nor could stand Bobby V anymore in the sand. Well he was just kind of ahead of the curve always arbitration eligible still right. Believe -- and he's. Versatile. And eighties durable. And their sand he's got value I mean he had his moments. He's got values so that we're gonna -- Bobby had blown his arm out it probably would have decent pitcher so maybe they just think the problems and removed here in new manager Farrell will get the most that -- obviously this team. In all of this if this pitching staff top to bottom isn't like the best in history than -- -- and explained Duke is every guy a look at eagle. Well fix some you know. Clark is Daniel Bard Bard a Davis Lester balk calls Lackey do. Post here now it'll be all better he'll fix some lecture quick break right back to the calls we'll get right back to would you just supplement at Sports Radio W yeah.