Oct 5, 2012|
Toronto Sun Sports Columnist Steve Simmons joined Dino & Gerry to discuss if John Farrell has worn out his welcome in Toronto and how willing would the Blue Jays be to let him come to Boston. He chats about if the Blue Jays really want him back, what Farrell has done to prove he can develop pitchers, and questions why would Boston really want him. He also mentions if there is a problem between the Jay GM and Farrell, what would be a reasonable deal for him, and predicts if the Jays would actually make a deal.
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This wouldn't exactly be the boldest prediction I make but I'm gonna make it anyway kind of obvious. Knowing they were gonna hear more than. Bobby Valentine in the next few days will be out of John Ferrell. Say to say you know this John -- that. I think it's fairly -- understood here. That he is the target. They will try to make a deal that can make a deal will be your next manager and they might even do during the playoffs meter. Because there's an awful and anyone they're gonna have from. If it fails then we -- that list that list is only for a back. To help us put the Ferrell perspective into some kind of perspective is the very talented troubled some columnist Steve Simmons Steve -- Jerry and I have some other colleagues had -- lunch together at the Super Bowl in Indianapolis I'm sure he doesn't he remember that he joins us on the AT&T outline AT&T forgy LT is good morning Steve Lowery. We need. You -- the other is that was fine food in the target on. I am doing just fine how much do the Toronto Blue Jays -- -- retain this guy or are they tired of his act after 81 and now 73 wins in back to back seasons in Toronto. I think it depends on who you speak to. From what I make it I like to turn that around I'd love to know what is supposed John felt. And what he showed in two seasons that tells anyone in Boston that -- is going to be the answer to any questions. I think he's the answer in spite of that record I think they think there are other intangibles this this kind of presence what he did here as a pitching coach and and everybody knows. One of the main things wrong with -- Boston Red Sox was starting rotation and Daniel Bard as an example I think Carroll might be got to fix all that. I've got two words for that Ricky Romero. Who was the worst starting pitcher in the American League here and it was -- very very good pitcher in the other years and John -- wasn't able to solve what it was that was going on or whatever it was wrong with with Ricky Romero it it's a strange situation here. Because you don't get a sense that. Upper management with the Jays are like absolutely in love with the guy. But you don't get a sense that they're ready to get rid of him I I think what they're ready to do frankly is make a -- what is the deal -- be -- And if there is an ideal to be made that he'll continue at their manager for at least another season and then who knows what BR Matt. I'd Stevie has one year left on his contact right John Farrell so is there pressure to oh would you expect pressure -- if they're gonna keep him -- academic at the eleventh -- to Boston. They would have to extend him or renegotiate or would that be will and let him go and this is a lame duck. Well that was all discussed on the last day of the season I talked out of -- the general manager without job very well about it. You know he's he's not the least bit concerned about going into his last contract. -- without a new one he says you know what you've. What you heard in the game as what you got -- and so far frankly from these two years in Toronto he hasn't -- an extension. Alex says his priority is to address the team's issues. And if sometime down the road in the spring training and of the winter. Into the next season they decide an extension is something that very appreciative. Then they'll look at event but its not other. Radar priority list at this point if they're telling the truth do do what that's what each side is saying here. Again I think it -- visit do you -- to be date. Based on frankly I don't say this from my perspective based on what I've seen and done so with the Blue Jays for two years. If if I can get anything tangible for him and replace them I would do it effective. Is there a problem between Alex the GM and John -- the manager. No I -- there's. That's a problem frankly between every general manager manager. Because the general managers' thinking about you know today to vote next year in the future. And the managers that you only have to date on that issue that exists and time to time you know. I wanna pop up that I know we're gonna call back guy kind of kind of situations. But know that you know they -- they work. Very well together. Out debacle is really interesting man. And I think it was the consensus general managers who listens a little bit to everyone has to say before you make the decision. So he involves everybody with what he's doing so I think I think our relationship is fine. You know if I'm looking at what the problem is if there is a problem the problem -- the -- And what -- done with it in two years as a manager. We're talking with Steve Simmons columnist for the troubled son Steve define a a a reasonable deal you have to deal can be made -- doesn't have to be a significant player we talk and prospects what's your sense of what they would want. I think that want to believe they can put on their roster right now. Patterns and not talking to 24 to 25 man. -- have -- somebody that can make it different values that you can get creative here. You know he doesn't have to be -- and so forth. They whatever. It is cubic yards and the player. For a player. If we just go out and two players are there's a lot of weight you can go here but Phil and a prospect and somebody. That is you know either they're in the same division in the highly unlikely to be trading partners. You know. It's it's what it you know that again I'm being cynical here but it's what I've seen of the Blue Jays the last two years and especially this season. Is an indication of Giants built a Major League manager I'm -- -- -- -- to quit I want him in my division. What about his manager managerial style or anything record aside don't like about the way he operates his this clubhouse is dugout. I'd like him personally he's he's a hard guy not to like he'd be very good to me. -- in terms of how we handled his daily media in and does all of that kind of thing. Well I don't like about is that. The team make the same mistakes over and over and over again. The -- eight many players this year and Omar Vizquel relatively late in the season that. There's really no checks and balances here the coaching staff and the manager manager really -- that stuff well. You know which is surprising considering you know Boston you know that's -- they got a couple -- first place. That makes a mistake he. A lot of that there's no recourse for the they go back the next day in the make the same mistake again at the same mistake again and nobody says anything you know pulled out of the lineup and only dropped down in the order. And it. That kind of thing happens and it and to me that's the number one thing I don't like a vote. A vote on so I don't like the fact that this team ran itself more innings than probably any team in baseball in. This here writing at ridiculous times in -- ridiculous situations. Some of that with the managers controlled double with just players taking off which should have been in an -- Steve. Dennis Farrell wanna come here does he want out of Toronto his -- and his dream job. I think that the double edged question. I think does he want out of you know would be my answer is busted his dream job yes would be my answer. So on the one hand I think he's happy doing what he's doing he's he's enjoyed it he wants to be around and build the case it is something. But you know it's you know it's like it's likely get cold but your alma mater in college. You know you wanna go back and coach there I think there is that feeling he won't say. But I think there is that feeling and lets be honest. The Red Sox are the center of the -- ball up you know the world. You know we were -- outpost here. You know -- but a lot of people pay attention to the Toronto Blue Jays. They haven't been in the playoffs in nineteen years. That he's on the irrelevant franchise now so you want to manage in the in the heart of the game or do you want to manage you know where he you know that we even know you just. A -- -- load does did this organization. Covet him is he would he be considered if barrel bales to seize on -- he's one of the backup plans here in Boston if barrel at the camp -- Ferrell away from the Jays. He's got a very highly here. You know there's some talk of him in Cleveland has some talk of him involved as a possibility in Austin there's some -- of -- but that's the deal gets made -- felt. That I think toilet hello Brian Butterfield who would lead to likely choices here to. To be the manager when they I just felt it was down to Phillip Butterfield. And and I think the third base coach and very solid baseball -- problem. So they they -- -- and there -- magic state they've got some other people here to -- clock about to manage or be stuck in the majors is also here. In them that they like this stuff and did that taking a day like this that and Elton experienced guys sort that everybody wants. One can play so loud and I'm by the weather -- bad players I mean fundamentally weak they quietly so fundamentally weak all the time. And if they were all season this was just a dreadful year for the chase. By the way you're full of its image really you think Ricky Romero can hold a candle to Daisuke Matsuzaka being bad. I mean you're not so. You know at Utah in the back up and when he used the Elias Sports Bureau here as as my. As my source and Elias Sports Bureau. Said that the string where Ricky Romero went from June 22. To where he got his next win which is sometime in September. Was the single worst pitching it's straight stroke -- I was a late starter going that not missing a start. I think it was fourteen or fifteen starts without a win would any other way into the sixes or sevens. And that was the worst streak in baseball history. Yeah -- will dice dice -- got an ERA of two and a half runs higher than Romero. Now we didn't. Oh look at what it would be if he's pitched numbers of that restart there. They can go and then it's Romero was held. Out here well Romero had 34 Sox Daisuke only had eleven starts. To -- today. One and seven with -- -- to wait until on we will put Daisuke up big nights. Ago. Let it under three million dollars for this ball. -- -- -- -- There with a few of those mistakes made in Boston. Yeah I was I was -- Farrell's. Albatross that he couldn't correct this guy fixed this guy other other guys we see no no he's Kyle -- exposed to become so -- -- it won't always see who was he supposed to fix. Brett Lawrie. -- People were comparing Brett -- to short for that. When he first came to the Jays have and how we played the game with the kind of enthusiasm to this kid got a lot of ability. But he has no edit button and he plays the game at full speed and ignores. You know I think -- doors cooking camp be -- but he can look at the -- team right now they've got some guys. You know they got some projects Kobe Rasmussen at the project. Yunel Escobar is a project. -- is a project. You know you want to see you don't young guys get better. And fundamentally is supposed to get better but when they make -- that would lawyer runs you know. Gets thrown out at third base every third game. And never get punished for or never -- to answer for. You wonder about leadership and there's a real question at the end of the year here where Omar Vizquel a veteran of 24 years the big leagues. Questions that gave internal leadership questions what the coaches are doing questions what you know who's. Who's really in charge. Battle I think some of the suspicion comes from and we just said you would like that if you're the guy to carry a briefcase. And it'll be injured corporate communications team. -- You won't even notice if Farrell if the lockout ends and then in the maple his compact business yet they won't even notice -- Farrell leaves. -- They see we get it would this. Steve win it -- this what do your instincts tell you Blue Jays and the Red Sox make a deal for John Ferrell. My instincts saying -- That's based solely on my conversations without a couple of. Well that's a pretty good source is Steve Simmons from the Toronto sun thanks for taking some times the appreciate information in the conversation. Right. Here will -- -- got New Orleans this time we'll put the next time. Toronto Suns Steve Simmons joining us on the AT&T outline AT&T forgy LT sold as -- to straight. John -- team. And John -- demonstrates no leadership. No corrections and mistakes and no responsibilities no developing and pens are developing young pitchers or players doesn't like the right man for the job -- a.