Oct 4, 2012|
Glenn and Michael talk to Curt Schilling, who was ahead of the curve when it came to the debacle that was Bobby V as Red Sox Manager. We also have Curt confirm that he may indeed have to sell the fabled bloody sock and possibly World Series rings due to his financial issues regarding the closing of 38 Studios.
Transcript - will not be 100% accurate
Sort of where -- -- hard for me I work with them last year. I know him a little bit way I was around him but he also a game wants Tom. But like -- like a lot. I thought that the manager that managed the Mets that night was not a big joke was now going to be a different manager I don't think there's anything different at all. And I don't think that that is is going to be conducive to doing well I think there's a lot of things I think that are happening. From not just from his perspective when you talk to these guys and the pocket and some of these guys. I I don't think it is going well and I think it's going bad quicker than I expected to. 1 of the lines that just jumps out of that I don't think this is going well that's from -- and lose program back on March. 27 fast 42 today. October 4 Bobby Valentine fired. As the manager of the Boston Red Sox Curt Schilling joins us live in the AT&T hotline right now. At that time obviously you had talked to a lot of guys as the season went on. Based on your role here with ESPN I'm sure -- talk to a lot more guys. How many more stories did you get and did it get progressively worse. Well I think it's like any any time you you see something be -- public he is if you have in. Well look I -- -- -- understands it's so some multiple more going on you don't know about. And I think the Pro -- OK but you're still right up front and there is not being in this accused me sets are not. Happy that they are old news or the like currently have a bird of purple and white when it happened that people don't wish -- on anybody. But -- you know this was something I think -- some people knowing some people bought tiger's public coming from the state started. And and you know pretty clear they did not predict who last played terrible horrible -- because he's managed certainly Edberg at the spot. They were they were bad baseball. I just think that what he added to the next pitcher was was hitting 99 current unnecessary. In PE. The than -- bird for the guys that are going to be here at work. You said -- in your clip from march -- that. He's the same guy who was a manager of the Mets and you weren't a fan of him and what what was it about them with the Mets. That they got your attention you're still playing in. I. Looked at. The root against them then and I was an apparent right. It would like is the most important thing was once was where he was trying to be part of the sport. And an -- in the I don't think you went over well in New York didn't get the ball well. And I would call like when you're talking to all that are almost always thought it was. He was trying to be in order to understand how much more about the -- he was then you work. And the cut which they are committed to speak to -- it wasn't something -- our country. -- you you can in certain situations cynical about. It's a different dynamic at the Major League Baseball about that they're prepared almost every other -- because it's -- nine months of every single day. And the air action is is very aware like -- together all -- block. And when you travel you're together a lot and so they're not being. You water or you generally -- a bit sick of people don't know what sort all of your flaws and all your pluses and minuses explodes. In the end and I can be a good thing for somebody who thought it was great for you know open goal failure block with all the ops but it could be bad for Albert. I heard from so many people before Bobby got the job that he's brilliant he's Smart what a great baseball man on and on -- exactly. That's what I wanted to -- I was that's how I was gonna ask do that because. I don't know what needs are there. Tell you right now and I don't mean that seminary -- just like I don't critique and -- -- all I believe that I can teach and work pitchers. In the and you think the pitching that nobody else can I couldn't tell you the first thing about hitting them actually based on complete the first thing. About going first and third I know what do you teach mark brilliant baseball because. You know and we talked a -- producer Michael and I know one you know I was well I don't believe in any way shape of war that the manager of the big league team. But the quicker to be a great manager had anything to do without getting in and get to the Coyotes. What would that exist -- now that's a bench coach. -- job in the big league manager in baseball. -- advantage or 25 players here but the people wrong way you sure it's all part of that you might -- -- -- bad guys -- spoiled rich athletes. You know suck it up the sport not like to go to work elect. You have 25 players you have to put in the right mind -- a 180 consecutive day. It's an unbelievable hard but it could believe a big league job it's about managing people. I totally different hit and so what what do you think the perfect role is for Bobby is -- manager is -- scout is it. Front are they what you did yesterday hopefully -- ever -- to manage again because the comments that he made yesterday. In addition to being something I don't know what the call them other than I knew it was gonna eat. He basically jeopardized a heroic every coach that coaches and courier. Now you know it taught school is probably you don't stretching coach I've ever been around or listen to talk like architect about. Phenomenal guy like our goal and -- -- I don't know got a coaching. But an amazing human being accurate quarterback coach I've ever been around in my life -- not the other. All week. In response you look at it like you know. They were not real not not about more. I don't understand you do that. Well I try to I try to follow it up if your view -- asking them who they were what they were what they were doing -- -- with a going to management or whatever and at that point. He stopped and I think he realized -- all I would a little too far with the. But that -- The portrait of the last night in and that's on the dotted and the ducks this year -- line was good as it was that one of the most gutless things. But the problem is. True if you coaches are being -- -- about Oakland. And go on the on the first thirty seconds that you find out because that's what you call the coach into the -- it's important we have a problem. Well I believed to be true it's true the coach goes where you go to a happen. You can't continue to manage a bit cold walking at the back -- popular probably going to back are going to -- you can do it. You can't do it in the -- he would literally. Not a CC he didn't get. Inducted into the coaching him to coach at. He got a manager if you look at it as -- coach. It turned out to beat or -- uncle -- front. You know when I heard when I heard his answer yesterday and he said yeah but I signed off on those guys I got the feeling that. He was happy just to have the -- never thought he would get this opportunity again he gets a two year opportunity here. Big deal I'll take the coaches there are already here it's too late I really can't go find my own guys and let's face it. Got a big game for ten years other than a ruckus -- -- we didn't have even that relationships with a lot of coaches. Tell me that the game -- passed -- -- a lot of weight because in the last year the coaches have become almost everything he was the manager. The coaches do all the work and that's -- -- do you work. You're job is honest to god job is to be -- to work. Friend parent Ed White -- whatever needs to beat -- 25 guys are training staff -- coaching staff you're jurors county general meant he. It's about energy up and managing now. I here's what's it here's what scares me right now because I think. That you are absolutely correct that the Red Sox organization screwed this one up they did not read it. The landscape well in the at the end of last season. They thought that Tito was letting the guys the -- country club in the club louse in the air in it and and so they wanted to get what they received. As mr. tough guy disciplinary. Didn't realize that he might have been in years ago wasn't now so you've got the same people. They obviously did not re search this thing out properly why should -- have any faith. There right now they're going to be able to go and find the right guy can't understand. The problem they have a bit about you this is bad as last September was look at -- roster they closed out with that was a much better Austin what that clause and out with this year. -- -- To meet some current one person I'm not concerned and ensuring that. I think had no ability to see who need to keep this year I think it was a it was a it was put on him in a way that was insert them. A hundred Bobby and everybody is it. And another probably punchline in a lot of what went in the summer the 11 of these -- and learn from businesses. You surround yourself totally Smart people. And you addressed here is where you -- not coached he -- strengths are not. And you let them be good at what they do. They hired concerns and to run the based organization. And they didn't allow him to make what you want most crucial decisions of that -- And and I I think that is incredibly Smart guys think he he is regarded as we get the job done but he if you don't let him do the job can't be mad at him for the job not getting dark. And that's -- how I want to get your take on a couple of people who we know. Will be a part of the 2013 Red Sox front office wise -- one of them is Bill James says he's gonna have a more important role. And he's gonna report -- John Henry and the other one is Jason Varitek what do you think. Both of those guys are gonna bring to the Red Sox in 2013. -- the thing I don't know what got me propulsion so what appeared sports' John Henry did it is that does that mean that. -- John -- -- emperor -- -- album signing a free agent does that mean the bench and pinch hit do something without Bell's approval to John Henry I don't know what technique. And and that those the try to he can't beat and get out here he chipped it -- because. It independent and have unfettered ability to seem to think -- art of the deal why are what. Pitching issue prior does not allowed to beat the guy you want him to beat. And objective delegated each person's duties -- responsibility and an exact and that's the battle that is right -- -- Henry -- -- -- -- -- that same goes for Varitek what what do you think you know Varitek much better than we do what you think his strength is and how do you think they'll use them. I think I think I think -- being put in place compared to become a Major League manager I think that they want to get. This that the best way one of the best ways to get somebody acclimated to completely different lifestyle and it's in coaching the big league it's. -- and you're talking to for. A -- me in the the put more hours and I did at the ballpark. As a player and when you understand the energy is probably double play hours. If you want to be a great marriage if you wanna do a great coach you have to be at the park at 10 o'clock 11 o'clock in the morning and you go home 2 o'clock 10 o'clock in the morning. Because you're eager to understand that you have to prepare. A good thing for 25 guys you're not getting ready for one thing your guys and not prepared to do everything -- -- The air for everybody not immediately and I think it was one of the ways to do that I think. I think he obsolete out of the makeup to be a manager I think they probably want to give him the best possible chance to keep -- -- been -- time com's. And I think that's the way to do that TTP bit you know he'll get a feel for what he can and can't do what he'd like -- -- -- -- And I think that's one good thing that the manager can get back -- to man up and notre good that it was too bad that you surround her political two step -- built in the got. Are you just gave a great description a few minutes ago of what the modern day manager in Major League Baseball is. Look at John Farrell right now he's a guy that everybody tells me could do virtually anything in any officer or any Major League go organization. We know what he is as a pitching coach you know you worked with him directly. What can this guy now move all over into the dugout a few feet and beat that guy as a manager. Oh no question of course it pretty well I don't know because you want to keep my I don't know I mean. He's the guy can do -- -- and -- already given and I think one of the best in the game what you would do. I think one of the real positives bring him in years -- it would immediately changed the perspective players' attitude perspective. Or two guys in the air and I think that that's -- I don't hope that's the right thing would be to Tibet thing. -- -- You know he is the current demands respect demand that. Is an attempt to eat salads is constructive and not. He understand history you understand wouldn't -- that any critic he's. He'd -- great community here and that doesn't mean he held to what you wanna hear or he's worried about history knows how to talk -- players. What what are techsters that you should you used to be the pitching coach. I don't think -- I don't think -- interest at a bigger pitching coach based on the hours it's just laid out there. At the better pick being analyst -- I'd love I love working with -- I love talking about achieving you know my dream. Would be to be able to work for the organization and its spring training the work with these young kids. And Sergio -- you worked through the trap and didn't and I've done that for a couple in the last 45 years. I'm in looking at pitchers in the right. The thing I know that -- saying I'd leave that I'm gonna distribute our pitching and understanding pitching bit but it's just. It's it's just been unbelievably. Strenuously hard job. And updated the page document -- the work. I had struck out okay it's another pitching coach or did you could be a GM just for a second. For the Red Sox have no -- -- you know I have I've never had a problem -- -- yeah I -- when I was a mural. Hope so a couple things if you have two you're starting to rebuild the Red Sox lost 93 games and other Orioles lost 93 last year are not going to be in Wales tomorrow. -- at that the first give me back to things you would do off the top on the roster how would you what it is -- got a playoff contention. I think -- -- -- I would go in the -- at the end over the last week or two I was walking through I had that streak it was the -- at the potential free -- at every position. Every day and go -- through the trial looking at this team and I think the three places that I look at -- you say okay. Indeed being absolutely must out our first and shortstop and what field. I'd -- I've been thinking very important year in and day out about it glaciers and and you know -- my thought was. Let's interrogate that he could be at 240 yarder in the big league because. Departments around the guy what offense it is defense in the Rey Ordonez he can do as well so good but he located -- -- at right. And and I'm not getting. Like the benefit of really wish you good feelings about the -- that there I don't know what it has been. Lot guys I talked to that -- it -- -- good hitters I've told me that getting into it too pretty to what is gonna be an immense talent to eat sensibly. Peculiar one -- 106 won't work. No doubt they'd like on a precedent that could have I think it is in the states in the American League. You've got to be able to be at 230 picture quality so eternal -- LT type of player you need -- at 230 to forty in. I'm not hear people say that that's going to be something he can do not but he can't and I bought all -- Doug -- A phenomenal kid. But against Brad at shortstop -- -- Most of the three because here here here what I -- ago do -- For the most part -- -- Colts last year. Who brought Lackey and I would have match in the the world secured from the Dodgers. But that's your rotation. -- might wanna do some things W but you know what type. So many things have X. Bit then I would start would play -- that are clearly apparently going to be broker and you're gonna have franchise player I think the herb page you've got to protect player like the base. You know what somebody else can -- accurate about that what you got to the point. Well I hate the guy can -- a little bit and with Garrett talked you'd just on the catcher getting a little bit better defensively. He got Jacoby at center field and then I I believe Cody Ross was one of those guys you I think -- bring back out there again I think. You look at first and shortstop let go when you look at the markets and end. That you got enormous amounts of money which can be a great thing or it can be done wrong you know before you were this year and I don't wanna see them do that I don't wanna see them. You know. Go out and and and pick up that contract -- in for political spots you know maybe you go out. I don't believe they can contend next year I don't believe there's any shot they can contend that most people are just so incredibly well. Particular that you disregard those who support the deadline they bring you 45 or six very good very legitimate so strong prospects. And you know you look at reports are good I don't know. I -- -- they can be better than a 69 win team I don't think anybody -- have been called out what it's like I don't believe in my alive and argued that the last few days I think there's not an awful lot of respect here. In this market mainly because we perceive the Red Sox as being great because they have been over the last decade. And think that just with the name you're gonna be able to compete with the like of likes of the of the Orioles are better the Orioles and the and the -- and some of the other teams with senior. Emerged this season I I think it's all perception I think I think were under raiding what they've done in Baltimore has some good young players and a team. Well listen I think it's that. They're headed in a very good direction. I I -- I I'm I'm happy that they didn't pay particular out of their it to break out. The team that I'm looking at next year as being a little afraid of -- -- I was Smart a winner and I've had very you don't -- up. That rotation and that all. You got to spend money to get some pats that can't score around. Yup Bennett and that's going to be in the paint -- -- the people are -- remember. They bring a marquee out of their outlook on Soriano lined out. Pitching depth is absolutely terminal and you know the Yankees -- in the he's going to be -- they're gonna win ninety games next year. No matter who we're gonna do what do. It's it's different the opinion that should not the place was by 67 years ago where tree it would take a while you know I would be on -- I've before looking at -- let you go -- I wanna ask you about this 'cause it's all over the immediate today and everybody obviously. Those of -- the financial issues with a 38 studios -- whatever. And apparently had to list all your assets part of collateral for the a -- Rhode Island but now the story out today. All over the country that I'll read the headline of the Washington Post I didn't go to the globe for this one today ex Red Sox pitcher Curt Schilling might have to sell bloody sock after video game company collapsed truth. Yeah. I you know I can. I personally Colts aren't sure -- blow it for the company. And info Michael culprits in -- compared. When property. Went bankrupt. I'm I'm obligated to try and make demands and and unfortunately this is one of the by part about it -- it is. It's you know I covered the Patriot mistakes and in them in a situation now where. I've been working with the banks trying to find an amicable solution. You know it's still little ultra being able today. You know them to me the most important part of which is the 400 families that were were most desperately affected by this that. I try to do everything I can do it at two majors right equipment. It and it are you at the point -- where any thing that you got in baseball you would summing it would you sell World Series ring or. You know Mike I -- I don't know I mean that's certainly a packets if it by need to that it that it happened and it's something that we would explore absolutely I mean. Again I'm I have to buy I don't know I heard that I have obligations than. I put my name to -- you're not a spiritual work with regard and so on trying to find ways to to -- you got to make the right. Sure this also inclusion collection of Orr worked to memorabilia and stuff like that which would era which is all on display at the the national network to a museum and course the -- is -- that Cooperstown. I also saw that your house is up for sale and yet I understand that you when your failure gonna remain. In the town is that just they downsides. Again regardless. It's another and it's a tiny. And ironic I think -- what -- being shot and I had been looking to downsize. For awhile and the real market and so robot. That. It's so it's sort it's it's. Bet that's as much about I'm into anything we we are looking to it as good movement and open net to -- The town -- would have been people that we build around -- -- people and so in the school district is it's an open and so -- coach -- doing being -- that I wanted to be involved in the and you know -- but that's that's more timing thing. He needed yet and he sox' Mike. Now I now know that I'll put it in. The American emotional problems are actually my Kurtz host Greg talking is -- for coming on here today after Roloson initiated a bigger Curt Schilling right near the big shelf.
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