Apr 4, 2007|
Captain Robert McGovern continues his discussion with DNC and also takes questions and comments from callers on the show.
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Back -- Dennis and Callahan US army captain Robert McGovern whose new book all American why I believe in football god in the war in Iraq. Is a standout on the in the bookstores -- -- -- tell -- -- -- jumps off the table because it's surrounded by all the anti American books and that war bush bashing books right in the middle they have. Captain McGovern saluting his country and writing an -- to. To this country and and to this flagged this great land and all these other people who are trying to undermine. The war effort -- undermined the country of their the books all around yours -- -- meant it it's a good thing for you you really stand out in the crowd. Well thank you I don't feel like you're out there in the -- ocean sometimes on -- I have to but that's it's one of the reasons -- I want to write a book I'm not trying to think people shouldn't say what they think that they disagree with the war but I want -- Americans know there are there is another side of the. The guys over there here do they know what the does it affect morale of the though the efforts by the media and the Democrats undermine the war is affecting morale over there. You know I think ultimately it can't I think the one great thing about the military today is that it's an all volunteer force which just makes it much more highly motivated and adult ticket it's going to stop their arm around to accomplish the mission. But oh I didn't lead and I know I did in another guy dying out would love for the American people to be behind it 100% and and that means. -- being behind the mission as well but I don't think they're going to let that stop them even if it's not the case. They understand that part of the reason in the world they're fighting is so that people can disagree and we don't want to say that that's something we don't want to -- happen but by the same token these guys know what they're fighting for and they believe in their mission they believe they can accomplish. Are the fault line draw your opportunity talk with the US army captain Robert McGovern we start with a Mike Denham Brockton Mike your first for the captain. Eight point one like really good interview. Captain -- with respect to our success are -- victory direct what are the benchmark for all its success or victory that -- now. We -- or Iraq. You know that's a good question and it's stuff an in an insurgency type war not a war fighting right now. Up but ultimately what is the benchmark for success is that. And Iraqi government backing government man that means that not only get the political element of that -- government able to effectively -- -- provides services to the country into the people but -- military can defend its borders and end control lawless behavior within those border. So that is the top part I mean no one of the things that important an Iraqi steady group pointed this -- is that. They're 18 provinces in Iraq can really two of the provinces are the only are only two with a mean the amount of violence is occurring maybe at the most for provinces. So that I -- fighting his isolated mostly in the western and our province and then the Iraqi state who point out very clearly as -- Baghdad's so those are racked and that's where you see most of the violence -- we have to we have to gain control over Baghdad in order to give that government the time just stand up and and get on its feet. But ultimately they have to take the lead. If we are ever going to be able to win it. I kept the -- like -- follow up on that how will we know how the military people know if the Iraqis are in standalone mode if we're still there. You know I think whether what's important is we are -- to see in segments of the country where were handing off that current -- -- regions of the country. And those regions are staying under control to withdrawal after I was told that we added and the big thing is when we get handled region to -- the Iraqi government really takes control there and can tell us what to do and has told us what to do a few -- like told us know when we wanted to do something. There and hopefully come to prevent a disaster. But ultimately if they can administer those regions successfully will be able to pull back into smaller smaller groups the only thing I tried to point out is. I I think -- much danger one of the chapters in the book is all about is entitle this is not Vietnam and and there's a lot of reasons why I think that but one important reasons is I think a lot of people are viewing this war in this particular conflict. As a Vietnam paradigm mercenary I don't think it's quite that way we have to look at it more like -- -- that -- in the sense that we still have troops in Korea 50 years later so I mean we need to real reduced that number hopefully significantly affected the president of American presence in Iraq. For 40 or 50 years hopefully at the 20 years 30000 troop levels something like that to prevent any type of collapsed. But ultimately we know what we've done in Korea is help establish a country that is one of the best democracy and economic engines in the in Asia today. Dance in Boston -- units with the US army kept the Robert McGovern. I don't so I'm sure -- all of Indian disclosure I've I've been against the source since before it started I thought it was a massive distraction from Afghanistan which was the fight but I felt we really needed to be fighting at that moment. But anyway I what I really want to talk about is you mentioned something about you know in the in six months maybe or some other time will have a better idea topic is going into I get registered ever since you know President Bush stood on on yet aircraft carrier and you know on this mission accomplished thing. -- keep on hearing you know well encyclical -- in. Into what you know what though and I credits so many times now and so many people outside -- so many billions of dollars event that and it's want to know you know. At what point had a bad enough six month period that we know. Do you actually write -- -- that there really really good question and I understand completely why people Lotta people like yourself you know think it's not a good idea I think we should get out now. The only thing I would say is -- right at some point and I think will reach that point. As a nation because we we have two things that soldiers over there fighting and then in order for soldiers to continue to fight the American people have to be behind it that's that's -- -- a country separate should be -- and that support is definitely being questioned at the moment. And if people don't see results in six months to a year. I think you're going to have the political will world the leaders back home are going to turn to that alternative that we. We've lost and that's ultimately what we have to decide it is what you keep hearing is -- debate that's that we can withdraw we can redeploy -- you know but we have. Have to understand what the real question the question is are we going to win or lose. And whether it's we're capable of winning or losing no one wants to say we're going to lose everybody for withdrawing -- saying we're not. Going to lose we're just withdrawing well we're going to lose. And we -- what what would happen rubble what happened and if if if you know John -- and pull OC and Kerry got their way and we surrendered and we left but what happened in Iraq. That is my concern and that's why this has not Vietnam as we left Vietnam. And Vietnam didn't turn around and attack us you know and -- we could go home and forget about the. What our allies were slaughtered like sheep. Absolutely and we've been weak players we faced no direct threat in the United States and that's what people think will happen if we leave Iraq -- -- my point is we are going to take a threat that there's this there's danger is not going to go away and it is going to directly threaten not -- we leave Iraq and -- the entire country collapses or even that the government can control portions of it but say the whole western it an area that Lombard province -- and took the control about a eight. Then they're going to get the launch attacks from those villa that location and like Afghanistan. And let everybody agreed we should be in Afghanistan but why because that region harbored terrorists that were able to open to attack against us and that's that's a legitimate area we should be focused -- well that's -- going to be if we don't succeed there so we have to understand that get to the long fight we have to we have to look at this thing not as isolated. -- operations but in the bigger picture of the allocated is out there and there are going to use any opportunity in any location to attack us from whether we liked it or not I would love to go home and have Iraq beat this wonderful place of -- and picnic. But if it's not that we need to address that everybody -- we need to bring our troops home from ironic that we can focus on terrorism well I didn't -- everybody there's thousands of terrorists -- -- -- -- -- -- we want to focus our our military efforts on and that's where we should be and we can't just turn the -- off whenever we -- they -- parents have descended upon that country and we need to fight them there and if they go somewhere else we need to fight them there it's a hard fight but it's not one that we haven't done in this country before -- stood up against the Soviets for 50 years. And sometimes it was in a Cold War scenario and sometimes it was -- hot ordinary meaning Korea or Vietnam places like that. And we may have to fight there for longer than we want but the idea that we can leave and no bad what happened I think it's a false premise. Johnson McClellan John units with captain McGovern. A captain McGovern how you don't let you talent. -- job. I -- would be 82 airborne back in the 80s I was it was a -- and they -- second the F -- fourth and I was wondering are more. It has to but opt out there I was just wondering if Bob. You could talk a little bit about you know that. How special you don't like that is spectator and I'm just I'm so proud of the work that they're doing you know I've -- in you know I was back in the 80s so. You wonder if they opt you know future generations of thought our troopers and soldiers. I'm going to be able to get the job done but the more more I idea see on TV and read about. You know it's not just the 82 but you know the raiders -- second special forces the trial IMO what these guys -- I don't think the average civilian really understands palm -- these guys want to serve their country and and you know and analytical try to turn it around Estes -- -- gimmick is -- some sort of tragedy something all these guys -- -- already headed dying in. They won't be there have been a lot of doubt that they want to beat -- that's -- like you said earlier -- -- -- and I'll volunteer force and I was wondering if you could just elaborate on that a little. Well done you hit a great great point and run I served a lot with the 82 that they keep their ball course their parent unit in in Afghanistan in particular but even in Iraq Serbian and among those guys and they -- and all the troops that -- -- our -- fantastically motivated they believe in that mission and they believe it can be accomplished and someone says that the DNA it was a really good point was let you know when you hear a lot of the talk about you know we're not win over there we -- withdraw that -- you know redo it for them. I don't see you know go over there and stand in front of the battalion of the 82 bid to you know 882 airborne division. In anti -- can tell that they can't we have and see the reaction you will get out of these guys element that what you're doing is wrong and seeing how can -- help that you have to run out of that can't and it because these guys capable lead in their mission and no they can account should be noted doing a good thing. And what I've been impressed with the -- I like to write about my book can wanted to make -- particular -- -- rest of my book was to talk about the incredible people that I've met along the way and these guys these young kids kids in many gave up 40 and I -- 1819 year old kids. She'll win don't encourage -- maturity beyond their years and it's truly impressive are not time to look at -- the younger generation they are they're not as confident that the older generation and and I can -- -- these guys are top. Easy -- men and women. And that's one of those stories it's going to come out of this -- you're testing men and women more than ever before in our American history who were standing up to the challenge and we're not backing down and -- You make you make a great point the week trip we pay tribute to the greatest generation and for good reason. But this generations not so bad -- Oh my gosh yeah you know what that really -- it's it's stood the wonder of the American military and that it. It brings -- that can courage and determination out of our young people -- I'm I'm strengthened by the what I can see from the from the young men and women of the 82 and all the other units have come in contact -- down probably as my connection captain rob. Other morning gentlemen. -- cap and is a couple quick question I Serb myself what infantry division -- at 12 -- -- the -- now a special economic security but RIQ concerned that the constant re deployment overseas that. And especially with the downsizing our army and rich are drop forces since the end of the Cold War that. We're really stretching ourselves in the troops not having time unit and not having time. Two did get our our back in the states and get the nets back up to beat to deploy and direct considering it was a political creation of radiation in 1920s. Don't you feel that eventually going to separate just like Yugoslavia it -- Kurdish spearmint land the soon to spare not want to associate -- points. Well those are both great questions and I agree you know the -- tempo for our military forces is extremely high end. And a lot of decisions were made in the in the 90s to move away from the the large Cold War era military force we had it and I think a lot of people -- every now that back in the -- only made that decision to move away from the two major theater war capability that we you know maybe that's some of -- -- we're facing the difficulties -- facing in -- in that area today I'm fully supporting -- -- love the idea of of increasing -- military -- again I think we're going to try to increase to about 92000 I think in total in the coming years which I think is a great idea and it's always helpful to increase their military -- -- -- -- you know we -- -- -- you can't you can't just -- future fights in many ways then and I wish we had more troops -- them and greater -- time downtime -- their home and that's ideally the best situation but the mission comes first and these guys there are doing an incredible job I think conscious of that mission even without -- longer -- longer apply. Rob did you ever see or run to pat Tillman. -- swap NFL stories. Yeah I never I never had any contact wouldn't -- a -- Tillman and then just you know other -- the fact that I was in -- of him as everybody wants him and his wanted patriotism and dedication -- to do what he did I mean he gave up an NFL career I didn't. Didn't they -- such -- you know earlier I'd like guy had an incredible career that he chose to give up and forego millions of dollars to serve his country and and and we should all be incredibly and I think everyone is incredibly proud -- of him and what he did never had an opportunity although we're considered it an incredible honor but also getting into that -- other question about you know of the -- -- left in what that potentially -- he's right you know these lines were drawn after World War I by Winston Churchill and in the -- ballet and and TS Lawrence's a few of the names that that that helped formulate the current state so Iraq in the Middle East. And yet that's possible when there are going to be -- -- she influences regions in the end and influences in that country and that government but by the same token one thing I saw over and over get -- Iraq was an amazing sense of nationalism they love their country Iraqi -- -- and I -- 100% that they don't want to -- that country -- there will be different regions of -- But I. I think ultimately that the lines drawn in the current day Iraq will stay intact not because we want to go because they want to. I kept them were whizzing by your quick a publishing in publishing question for the book that I have here in New England on the back as McGovern wearing a patriot uniform I'm wondering in the midwest as the published would you wearing Kansas City cheek before that point about Pittsburgh book strode up the Steelers -- the -- -- the in Stewart you wear your holy cross a minute ago. And I am about my I would can I -- number 58 that's going to look holy cross over there was -- And I don't consider myself number 58 so I think that was ultimately what I liked -- that does that total for the back cover of it and I hope people would. Employee you look like something out of central casting elegant as I can assure you you don't sound much like a bent nose broken Donald linebacker either on the year or in the book it's called all American why I believe in football god in the war in Iraq his name is Robert B McGovern US army captain thanks for the hours this morning we appreciated very much very informative and very entertaining good luck with -- book thank you guys take care US army -- the -- government Dennison -- -- the dog on the other side