Mar 12, 2017|
Rob Bradford catches up with Clay Buchholz to discuss the former Red Sox pitcher's new lot in life with the Phillies, while reflecting on his up and down tenure in Boston. Philadelphia general manager Matt Klentak also joins the podcast to discuss his team's pursuit of Buchholz.
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Add road show. That's my open definitely probably would have brought that's my old. Eric where you don't know what you're stupid you. Brad boat show. That's delicious. So December 20 rolls around. And we get the news clay buckles has been traded. To the Philadelphia Phillies from the Boston Red Sox and we did all we did you now as we do the articles. We did the podcast. Amid spring training came in we did another podcast with the guy who. Buchholz was traded for minor league infielder Josh to biased on this or blown out. And it's quite vocal duties with training but the one guy that we hadn't talked to it was buckled dale. So what do the Clearwater to try to find Bob Cole and sort of gave his side of how things were going in how the whole thing checked out and wide and clear water and also get a chance to talk the Phillies GM the guy. Who actually traded. For Michael Matt went back and clicked right. Explained a little bit about how this whole thing checked out in all all. Howell the Red Sox identified the guy they got four Colts went quickly buckles. On your radar in terms of actually try to acquired. So we actually. Toyed with the idea last July you guys will remember he wasn't. For the first half Lester was throwing great. So we needed to we look at it as chances. Particularly if we traded Alex in which we did not particularly retreated to here clay into art mixes as a veteran. And to just watch him in and work with him over the final couple months of the year to see if if it would be worth picking up the option. Petrie never came together that we continue to watch over the second half and and as you guys again well though he made a lot of adjustments. It's conclusive that the stretch and thrown slightly different mix of pitches and work and opens on little more in. And it and it worked and he was obviously a lot better in the second half so. We are track and that to see if Boston would exercise the option did. And we can and often on conversations with these. You know we all pull the trigger and December but. You know we're hopeful and and you know. Cautiously optimistic that some of those adjustments clean it last year made in May hold this year and hopefully this year. I was at the pleasure of actually having a long currencies with the guy you traded for Michael justify its. It actually you pretty fast guy and. He wants a black hole actually is an illusion because you know that's their strategy is to make stuff and time it's on makes up his. Times relative. But you know there was that more of element of the biases of minor leaguer. Who's still more work in progress but there's also that the financial aspect of you guys picked up the tired you buckle contract. Yet and that and and you know it was Dave's Dave's good at what he does which is. The reason he's been he's been as successful as he has for so long but you know he he knew what he was looking for. And obviously both in terms of the type of the player of the type of player he is looking for in return but also in. Don't think unload some of the money so. You know once we. Once we got to that it you know within the within the red zone room to put that yielded to that pretty quickly but. But it did is pretty good to work with I'm sure you've heard that from others but he's he's pretty straightforward and you know when it's time to make a deal that makes it. Then there was the conversation with the buckled and self and what he thought about the whole deal. Did you expect the trade. What he thought about the trade of what he thought about his time in Boston what was the toughest time for him. As a member of the Red Sox. Is about. Fifteen good minutes. With a guy who a lot of people road. It pretty wild roller coaster with for the last ten years cards were in Clearwater so there's no better person to touch base with them Clay Buchholz threw. We've touched base with many a time but I've never touched base with Clay Buchholz like he's wearing number 21 Phillies uniform. Sitting in Phillies clubhouse. Wearing Phillies red. It it is a little bit strange city you in this outing. Yeah you know it at the took double days and used to vote but you know. All in all. Like a said 100 times I didn't understand the business side of both baseball and there's a business move in. I think it. It's actually. Allow me to step back and take a deep breath and actually look at look at situations Warner is not. You know new club new new fresh start another chapter and what reports are them but I'm pretty pretty excited about know what this team can can do and hopefully are my stays ultimately us and want to be. Where does own home giving the moment it hit home warrior really obviously. You know you you get traded and that's one thing we talked about that. But when you're like holy crap. I'm wearing a different uniform I'm in different club by the was there a moment where realize this is this is a whole new chapter. I was probably first they were Walton area known like new faces. Learn a lot of names that you remember all over again and you know fortunately I'm. I'm done been around for long enough to know to know how much people in the clubhouse from just. Plan against -- point with them you know Diego you know I've known doc called the so there's there's it's not a completely. Knew seeing that yeah new uniform little different kind of set a fresh start for me I was able. Take a deep breath and. Know the sense of complacency being in the same place for for an extended period time. You know everybody remembers you for. We're you know for me lately type scenario and that's you know like I've sort of over now knocking starter over here in him. And get off to a good start and have to worry about really anything from. Years in the past or what's gonna happen in the future is your day by day he hits Muppets and that's not that's that's what makes this whole im excited. All that's the thing so we Hedo you went through a lot in Boston a lot of give a lot of bad. And and you trying to make the best of that you try to pick if we use in an outgrowth of being kidded him and struggling in. All kinds of different stuff and now you can't get years sort of you take a step back like take a deep breath and why. I don't have to ride that roller coaster anymore. Right now I mean that's. That's 1 thing that I am always so involved about plan and Finley playing for balls and put my uniform on is. Their own when the teams do it and you're doing good it's the best place ever being. The amount of respect that you differed just weren't a Red Sox Jersey and new England's it's. You know it's it's it's a giant leap for a lot of people but. How's fortunate enough to be around there for for a long time and be around a bunch of great players got to learn a lot from from a lot of guys in our group watching play of the game. And that's. You know sort of I won't write a book later Mo I apart our front pure it. Edited it in him because again we forget. How long we don't forget by you weren't with a Red Sox for a long time and and in that period I think from 2007. Until. Last year mean memorial back to that and be like holy crap. That waste a lot of (%expletive) happens then yeah. Really really really good you know. And it's. Easier said than done sometimes. To look at it and and say you know. You know the bad the bad things weren't nearly as bad as sometimes it was made up to be. What what was the work tell me that were lowest point for you combustible worst time. Because he said you had some highs and yes most of what was the for you the worst. I'm my first. Start coming out of camp 2008 you know. Had. How spry at the highest point. In your career that you could and you could have come as a rookie. Did some pretty special things have been part of World Series team my first year and then. Came in the camp didn't throw well in 2000 in spring training to still make the team out of camp and you know I got an out double A and in the middle a season high and that was I was Shell shocked for for me it was. There was only two days ago about either you know suck it up swallow your pride get better or do you console about it and an off color came back from Latin that I make me a better person or player and that's. When it's one of the reasons wont wont do it still here today because I know that. The bad times. Don't necessarily define you as a as a player or person you guys you got to learn from woman thought god they're pretty good job of that for most Parton. It's you know it's it's it's tough to stroke away our game you've never struggled ever in your life and that was. That was the Shell shocked rather that's the first on our struggles in the big leagues and it's hard it's hard to come back and then found a way to do it and you know. Weren't that prepared because honestly like I can pick other spots you including last year Brees struggled then and and you came out of it. So I guess what you're saying is it that sort of helped you for these other. Ponson. Absolutely you know. Well got the whale looked at last year was you know Armstrong won I'm still making good pitches sometimes and it still didn't hit there's nothing. There's nothing I can do about that except try to get better and watched video talked to people talk to the coaches what the staff help me in the ways of nerves that there are getting paid to help finance. Pass or not sort of we all took it. You look at you view on a lot of bodies who went through there Lackey Beckett thumb. It's a bunch of other guys. Do you look at how Boston was now he'd take a look back and and say either. No and nine I missed in Boston's a great place to play like Nick Punto said from seven attend is no better place to play. But that that those who it was fair or unfair or challenging. War. Just just a different place and you look back it sort of what they went through enough that you around about how do you see playing in hot now. You know I mean it. I was blessed to get the opportunity to do it I knew. I thought I knew going into a hell horror. The game was but you know what little it's it's a really humbling humbling game a little harder in Boston rears we I mean if you can blame also up I think you can pretty much putting more balls in New York you know that. That's where there is magnified. Aren't quite a bit and it's just part that's that's part of the game that's part of the reason why people play the game he's you're gonna struggle in that nobody was distraught but when you throw stones will tell you take and how you learn from it. And let's that's the cool thing about. You can be an older and being around the group of guys and I'm around now it's I got it got a young a young crew guys here and talk to help in anyway from my success and pass from failures and pastor Hawkins. Try to preach a little bit about how to how to take didn't and look so look for and what not to look for in. Go from there like that's that's that's one here or not until it's remote for the shoot. Where are you surprised that you last in Boston as long as he did because like Theo yeah. We go back that you talk about 2008 trade rumors have been there is. The clay buckles trade rumors every year for the especially last couple years you have that Seattle situation weighed Motley don't know. It's going to be you or him and then that obviously comes last year. You take a look back I were you surprised that you view actually ended up as long as he did there. The FBI actually I really am it's. You know that I think for the most part whenever the trade rumors were coming up it's one. There was a point there at the point that sooner than I was struggling and I feel like people I was around for an extended period time that took the staff that was there for. My whole career at like a thing I think they know how we're talking do whenever I'm Gooden and if you're gonna trick me when I'm doing bad on the you're gonna get you're not gonna get what you what you need to get back from that and that's southern us what took you took awhile with his. Ups and downs were pretty dramatic and but like a sudden it. There's always a point I'm here in every season that Margot Iran and that's you know felt like that was the case last year's second half of the season. Made a couple of adjustments and none. You know made it made it work didn't didn't end up where we wanted to be but you know still made stolen well still won the American League east and you know it's and let somebody several. The pick of your option do you feel like either did you feel like. Thank you penetrated or do you feel like hmmm they're picking my options I'm going to be part of this rotation. Like out there Drayton like I mean on solid it was there was a long time coming. I knew the days when they signed up for sale like on it and how strong the odd man out not just the scenario that that popped up and you thought you might be in that field. I mean I thought that that that was gonna happen and ago somewhere involving in the contrary it is and you know that that wasn't the case but. You know come to a place like like this place it's. He's been really good the past than. Lot of people think that listings rebuilding books. From become men and looking from now perspective there's there's a lot of good talent here and I've been on. Teams that aren't as talented as this team that we do and we did pretty good you know so that's that's that's what I'm looking and whatnot is. Opportunities. To prove a lot of people wrong and that's what. The veteran people and in this clubhouse it's obvious we're trying to instill in them and everybody by listening right now. Just a so so when the sale deals made. You remain in that we there's seven starters you say I'm MITRE what was that time period like between when you're actually traded you. I don't really think a whole lot about it there was. You know and this was what it was. As I mean that's that's the business side of baseball and her team. Like the Boston Red Sox or they're gonna try to put the best people filled every day to win and that's that's what they did you know I was I was odd man out there and stalking the guys out there today I got. I understand the whole scenario and then why when down how went down and nah I appreciate everything that not organization that for me that maybe they gave me shots play in the big leagues and you know sometimes I made most of us on Tomlin didn't even. Just the best thing a couple scenarios that I am I'm still here. That's a good spot man it's it's like you know listen I know they meet you can't talk about contracts and free agency in future but. To me this is this is a good spot for you and is on you feel good you feel like you said you fix some stuff over last year in. National League Philadelphia Phillies. Right in the middle of the rotation. To goods could situation for your career. Yeah absolutely no unsung. This game this game that's what you said earlier it's it's a humbling humbling game and I'm fortunate to be revealed to be a part of any team regardless of where I'm at its. Didn't put relatively New Jersey every day go out there and been battle with it would new teammates it's. I think I think everybody has a has pretty much same perspective on on playing baseball and and didn't do we do for a living and you know I'm blessed to be a part of us. The good to see these guys these guys so I mean isn't there is another sort of milestone. It's look across the field and see the boss or the Sonics yes yeah you know. There's there's a lot of our guys are there those balls around for a long time they bring anyone here that you played I think it devalued about these troops to Clearwater. Now so I mean I'm tired I got these so only guys that. That I was really close with and that's you know. It's been a long time since its. I haven't been in the same clubhouse is known in coaching staff you know it's they do it's it's schools is. It's it's a different different view from the other side of the field that none on how many people get took you to win so I'm fortunate. Plus question thanks for taking up this much time the you know one of things when they Chris Sale comes in. We says solid time and you nobody knows both playing Boston more than you know. So what advice would you give a guy like that and I get it you know at least he's his own guy or whoever QB Chris whoever is a guy a new guy coming in the Boston. What advice would you give because I always say you don't know how a guy is going to handle boss until you face adversity. Mean you face adversity came out from face adversity Marcelo is a guy who did that. What advice would you give to anybody who is coming to Boston to. First. I mean obviously. The guys that we're talking modern guys that are established and they know there's doom but on the flip side of that you don't. You'll you'll know you don't know how it fills. To be a situation to a situation arises and this. Beat the you're your own player and coach yourself and know that the hard times are gonna come and tell you come all the hard times and I think and by others pretty mentally stable enough to have to do they got to do they get great ballclub and great guys and I. And it's a lot easier whenever the team. Is a family like like that team is over there and that's when you can pick each other up from from bad times and have a good times and are by comes together that's that's what lets his game so great is that everybody can come together on a little simple simple our bases and it's. It's it's it's pretty experience. Well by some marches Pizarro today here right now are going to be armistice seats been through this uniform but there's good -- we plan to like this was a little thank him.