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Bradfo Sho, Ep. 11: Matt Barnes' 'Betances Project'

Feb 25, 2017|

Rob Bradford talks with both Red Sox pitcher Matt Barnes, and assistant pitching coach Brian Bannister, about the fascinating project the reliever undertook in the final month of 2016. Barnes explains how he, with the help of others, made a concerted effort to emulate Dellin Betances of the Yankees and how that exercise helped turn around the former No. 1 pick's season.

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Add road show. That might open definitely probably would have brought that I don't. Query where you don't know what you're stupid Brad broad show. That's delicious. So back bars it. First targets returning it was a great evening news third Q it's what runs. We strikeouts one walk. Boring who cares it does not make a difference at all what does make a difference in terms of Matt Barnes and his lot in life. With the Red Sox having in 2007 team is what you learn from last year a terrific idea. And then a really really good September and why will you're about the find out. The name's Dylan but chances. Yes yankees' relief pitcher Dylan bit answer it became the detail of this project for Matt Barnes. He talked about how his season turned around. When he started locking in and trying to be. The same time pitcher that Dylan but chances if for the Yankees really really fascinating stuff from both Barnes. And one of the guys who helped him with you don't beat Kansas project. Brian Bannister ball on the brat boat show podcast. Well last time Matt Barnes who is. On the Brad social podcasts I believe it would is to do is probably early February and I don't. No if you knew exactly what your life and life was going to be here as I know well maybe you'll be in the bullpen maybe that'll be something that'll be cool for you but you now and then the next thing you know. You pitch in the eighth inning you're a legitimate relief pitcher every week really this time last year weren't far off from. Are you a starter or reliever. If it is that weird to think that. It's crazy when you kind of expected and how everything is this going over the last couple years. Going from a Houston on moment I was start religion come. Up and down. Back and forth and so on. So Suzanne nice to get some clarity last year and and get a full season as it as a reliever and trying to. Kind of figure some things out and and how to actually do OK so how to go how do you because. This one become a Major League relief pitcher which is going to happen right absolutely. So tell me he said how to figure things out how to tell me you were aware of the some of the what's the biggest thing you said. This is how I learned to be this. Men is tough. You know I'd learned though I learn how to really. And be successful I don't. Beg him about kicked. You know I had a couple of months and in August was not good for me and and then in September Contras and things around. On the big and that kind of took a step back and looked at it objectively. So I don't Dana Benny Karl hello guys the bullpen and and kind of went over numbers and breakdowns are fun on. How much stuff that pleased to editors. We commit to come up with a formula. And the ways in which to use these pitches and then I don't attack hitters using. My pitches tonight to burgers and you're so used so in notch mostly fastball curveball right those are. More than one into right up top with a bat by the food chain right thumb. So you were felt like you were throwing with the wrong time in the in the wrong towns and Ali so when you say. I learned how to use these fish is better at the right Reza I think the biggest thing formulas we took a step back smells like a catch him. I try to compare assaulted down to Kansas and housing OK we have similar off though and you know mid to high ninety's the curve ball. For relatively hard curve is proposal ordered mine from. The wire his numbers acts minor why. I didn't think that his stuff was that much better than mine was in numbers are so different. So that's why and today and those like the tide explained that accidents tuition and lettuce is when your house like. What's he doing differently and I am like what's making him so dominant. And what can I do to get there. And he kind of broke it down and he was like okay. He's throwing this is many times that this percentage at a time when he throws a curve ball he throws it here he throws the fastball up or down whatever he does. And we came up with a game plan passed out its considers. And I sort of implement that. And we can even look back at times knows who is successful. And more times a lot of was this game plan so we kind of took. What he saw from Dell and and what they thought. And Mo we've found it and trying to implement that address this season was the but the ANSYS model was that your idea or somebody else's. That was mine to get about and there much of delegates I was I hinting that his stuff was you know a point now for two points ERA ire. There's many more strikeouts you know I mean I thought I thought it was close enough where the stuff. Bomb but the numbers shouldn't have been that different. When did you realize. Police said he might struggle Narnia's kill Michael Wood in September when did you realize that it. Operation that Kansas actually actually who is paying dividends and this is going to war in September was of these commented I talked and mundane and then Benny came up and he kind of talked about everything with me some time run in August. And in September. And implemented an entire thing. And denied knowing that can worked operative on September at what. Was that they listen I mean everything that's from real world a fact we tied the series that I a year ago a year sort of you did a little bit relieving your trying to figure out. My starter and reliever now you're eighth inning guy you have some success you you have good stuff. Tom when dated are. That this time last year would reduce the tale of two really good pitches and I'm. I'm going to be able to succeed because that's what relievers do they have could a couple good pitches and they ego. The and it deserves it the first because you know going from starter reliever from them and took a while on the gets on. Three times. Lamar Max. And when you when you're up there no matter how hard you throw over on that he makes a visit to locate this matter. Penalized and maybe you know it was more stuff once in awhile is his own and velocity. But it was but it loses it it was kind of taken that didn't get new experience and and seeing what types of swings guys are put on certain pitches. But I and they've come up with without little slider cutter yeah. Just is something and fastball counts just as shown little something different. Com when did you come over that. I did toy around ended the year before. But then really kind of got into it this year some time in need the June. May or June. This I don't little salt and doesn't have to be anything crazy to some media is off possible. That's not the curve ball to a user control. So. It's it's time of the growth of of those pitches in and learning you know the sometimes you don't have to throw session throwing strikes is almost the bad times. And income go through it and learning haters it's huge you know or or limit along those lines what was your favorite at bat what was your favorite. But we talk about turn a corner. The most and maybe it was during that September after you sort of made those adjustments and so this is working. Maybe it's not a bad maybe it's a game do you remember one timers head this is this is the jumping off point for me. I think there were I think there were. A couple I don't think it was necessarily in on them or prior to August yeah I thought that I did them a pretty good job part August most was kind of mind. My month republic of the use of its mean you know I'd an excuse and it is and and can miss some spots and it's a band that bomb. The giants game islamists in doubts me. And then there was one other. What what what. What let me ask you this but. The giants the giants it was probably would use him and remind we're Miami what was what do you do in nineteen. When three innings to X seventeen days. So aren't saltwater now and I'm not affect him is he's a bases loaded nobody down out of that. And then came in and as such now pom. Was it was. Was in the first is much in the news and fair and belt via Randolph. And those shaken him now when man first and second in one run game. And I'm going backed off it and that was. That's and he was probably. My outing while a patent isn't now remember that now it's all coming back for fifth if it. The hundred job do you feel going in the playoff flu bug on the postseason rolled around how did you feel like. He went may be figured out maybe. You were worn down maybe you felt great I don't know how did you feel like going to the playoffs here. Electoral grit that's upgraded from the bed that September was who knows it about him and how some of us with this new. Philosophy or idea how to use my pitches that we just talked about. And up to heaven and excessive that I kind of music of guys. Through great arm feels good and is out to a close your adrenaline pumping and everybody's feeling good everybody's. And there is going to be banged up just 162 games. But it up when does not yours yours your comment. You're in the ground when your Jones going in and it's. It's it's fun. Anything new in Fort Myers at play dollars and last year the DOE since it was when peaks a emerged. Ms. anything and nothing now does that mean bill hold town sinners it's crazy off hospitals and a bit put if there's Saxby isn't there. And an open at least what is. Zacks visas incredible. It's a fantastic you know but he goes on on and off. It's a fantastic. It's ago. Nicer like fast food kind of it's it's it's it's it's a tried to complex the next of blu sushi it is no one knows or it's I don't care it's. Next to in the. Total by the the McDonald's and passed the cost of sounds better. Yet we're doing a service for everybody's coming down again I don't care because it's all about me and Howard getting through treatment but it it. Thanks so much now appreciate it we'll see a little bit in and I am going to go now break down film side by side out of you until it is thanks. Awesome thank you. Picking up on the Matt Barnes. Till the dances conversation is one of the guys to help work with now Barnes in terms of the evolution. Of his stuff last year and and that's prime minister. And Brian thanks for joining us first laws. I want to go through sort of how this came about it wears shoes Matt talks about. You did seem doomed advances in just seeing that this is the sort of guy like him I'd be more like disguise it wasn't that. Simple or did you come to him or do how to network. That team format yet he recognized. How somebody's handle success and injury and yours was pitching. You know look to the body types looked at arsenal. Power fastball on the big curve ball. And religious. Aren't talking about that idea. And you know for young guys it's become leaders also evaluate her understanding who you are. What pitches are actually work in the big do overs who worked mightily global. And denied you continue to Bush's direction to gain confidence and business. Oh so the first step of the deal that in this project which I have to update in making teachers now. What is what was the first step. I think that a similar path in the development people. Were pegged the starters coming up. Man it's ID fastball velocity continues to climb piracy. Match for spring training here in 2015. Are climbing out 9456. And you saw last year's it was closed hundreds and it was ninety. Band and realizing he had a lot item but all the ball. Big bulls those fears are realized you know in Max effort style outdated they can over power hitters and that it is continue to refine its except that. So was it was a more mindset or was it more. We have similar pitches so we're gonna prioritize these ditches and they're gonna play up. Was there was there an element of I'm watching how he does things and I'm gonna approach that way. Even if you have believed velocity. Haters like you know whether the fastballs and missed astronaut Rick regardless of how hard you throw. And yeah UCLA like me you all the throws it over a hundred you know struggle to miss bats and asking all the splitter and a breaking ball. But I think both match. And knowing what they realizes that if I use my breaking ball to set up my fastball that works a lot better than there you go around. Some as fast targets hit earlier bat and I have time to do it's that close breaking ball. So you seed but it is really put women like steamy earlier in knoller did with the breaking ball. But I think adding Matt picked some of those qualities. And in realized that if I go breaking ball and fastball it gets better. And more effective combination of abuse around it seems weird and it's nice storyline and in very easily packed used by people like myself say you know build and project but there was. A very real improvement from and match in terms last month and and was it was for him was is this. Did that help and click in terms of in terms of finding the ways that he wanted to go about things and and do you remember when that sort of started clicking for. I sided. Meet me years as he had gone through the ups and downs of the first half of the year. Religious the contents where pitching united we call it backwards pitched exile. With his pit sequencing. Religious BO OK with it I think it's tough when you view that greater gun pop but there's big numbers up on the board. We generalize hitters on backers are getting just geared up at that velocity and when all's I knew full details arm. Hands and you're starting off with a occur ball or you know little cutter slider that is so powerful pitch. All at the games of the route the bat to think about and that really opens up that velocity. And so just just getting that point can be comfortable. Knowing you fight it behind with a breaking ball early on confident of myself. To go back to it in and I just giving with a fastball. So's you know doubling tripling up. Things of that nature. There's there's more strategy is good and you know under the lights at Fenway with the pressure on you later in game. So easy for you gotta do it he really stepped it up you know a lot of maturity commanders game. In the second half. Did did you look at video I mean this seems like desperate talking all bothered to do you look did you look at that and this video and was there anybody else it. You did look better compared to. I think where that big body. You know that that's a very comfort him. But Boras has a little higher slot. Both pitches are a little more operate with a fastball and the breaking ball. But it has little more sideways we've to his breaking ball even Tate Nichols slider even though it cost curve ball. And so that they do you have variations mechanics it is falls off a little heavier. Towards first base and amount decree that that I was rotation so the do you have nuances. In in how they're different. But I think that overall game plan works for both of them because they have that high ninety's for a week ago when it. You know the ability and ball. Bart Bryant thanks man the only you can tell this stuff but I give up. I can put a name on it but you have this drivers that thanks so much as hundreds here.

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